Zion May be forced to testify on whether he took money from Duke
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House for his mother and stepfather. Article I read said it won't matter what they gave them the university will settle out of court to protect the coach.
You are correct, he never was an amateur, as he was paid while in HS or still an amateur as noted. He was a pro when he first received monies. That should negate that argument.
U disproved the SI article how? B/ c u typed it? U can die on Duvalls hill if u want,but I bet even duval wouldn’t argue about the shadiness of his academics. Rest assured he nor Zion nor Bagley will ever be placed under oath, so u can go on surmising incorrectly all u want.
I never argued with the article lol, I said that before. You threw out “facts” that had no basis at all. Stop pointing to the article when talking about what you yourself lied about.
As a Duke fan, I will say that it is fairly obvious all high tier College basketball programs are dirty in some fashion. I don't doubt that Duke has offered benefits to players. I think we all agree that it should not have to come to this as they should be paid within the rules by the NCAA. Take a player like EJ Montgomery, who Duke was in on and recruiting him hard, why would he turn down Dukes "offer" of benefits and go to Kentucky with no "offer" of benefits.
This is the angle duke fans use every single time they’re caught doing shady shit. This isn’t anything new. Y’all have been pulling this card for decades.
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I know it happened at least twice and I'm almost positive it happened after they lost at unranked Syracuse. Guess it could have been Boston College, but that's not how I remember it.
Are you denying it happened?
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2020/05/11/zion-williamson-lawsuit/?partner=Yahoo
Read this. It explains why this case against Zion will go nowhere. It's crazy, but it's true. Zion and Duke will skate on this easily.
Read this. It explains why this case against Zion will go nowhere. It's crazy, but it's true. Zion and Duke will skate on this easily.
I definitely know Duke has moved up after a loss. I don’t remember it being after a loss to an unranked team.
I know they moved up in 2014 after an OT loss to #1 Syracuse and a win later in the week. That’s the only one I remember for sure. But as I said UK just moved up similarly after a loss season before last even though you thought Duke was the only team in history for it to happen to.
Who the **** would pay for EJ Montgomery?
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And another couple points to counter your argument.
1. If Kentucky and John Calipari were paying players to come to Kentucky, do you really think they would be outbid?
2. Have you been around the last 20 or so years? 20 years of bitter people trying to prove Calipari pays players. Don't you think they would have found something in the 10 years he's been at Kentucky? Especially since there was a FBI investigation going on?
The FBI investigation sure did prove something to me. I don't think it's a coincidence that Kentucky suddenly started losing the top recruits to schools who are all named in the FBI investigation.
Yeah, you cannot trust those black kids that turn down Duke . . . we get it. Thanks.
Haven’t followed this much lately-Have the NCAA and media offered their apologies to Zion, Duke, and Coach K yet?
The same take over and over. "We're all cheating..". No. Until articles are being written about Kentucky, like they are about Duke, you don't get to just say "everyone's doing it". Kentucky is going to be fine. The last time you even heard our name come up was for Bam, and that was squashed 2 years ago.
Also, you should learn a bit about recruiting, especially for your own school. EJ Montgomery choose Kentucky late in the process because he didn't gel with Zion, RJ and company on his visits. There was also a bit of a log jam with 3 elite SFs along with Bolden and Javin. He was probably a Dukie if not for the chemistry issues.
Punishment or not, this is how it will play out and you can bookmark this post: Duke's recruiting is going to fall off. It already has since Zion's name was mentioned going back more than 12 months. They will get a few 5-stars, but not the elite talent.
Kentucky on the other hand, being totally clear of this, now has less in it's way on the recruiting trail. Adidas schools are scared, Duke put on notice. We will be back to getting #1 classes. Already are, actually.
Because at the end of the day, when all things are equal (think early 2010s), Cal is still the best recruiter, and the best option to get a kid an NBA contract. It never made sense why he was getting beat by Coach K. Now we know why, and you're going to see it go back to the way it was.
Kentucky on the other hand, being totally clear of this, now has less in it's way on the recruiting trail. Adidas schools are scared, Duke put on notice. We will be back to getting #1 classes. Already are, actually.
Because at the end of the day, when all things are equal (think early 2010s), Cal is still the best recruiter, and the best option to get a kid an NBA contract. It never made sense why he was getting beat by Coach K. Now we know why, and you're going to see it go back to the way it was.
You are correct. It is fairly obvious that Duke is cheating. Will they be like UNC and get a free pass? Probably.
So for 2021 would you say Duke has fallen off if they get Baldwin, Griffin, one of Christie or Chandler, and a couple in the 25-50 range?
This. My take?. The elite dukie university says to the lowly hick Kentucky school we know we are better than you, that is why you must ASSUME an equal part of our REQUIRED accountability.
I've said this already. They won't be getting the #1, #2, and #3 recruits. Or 2 of the top5 very often. It can happen as an outlier year. I'm not saying Duke will NEVER get a #1 class again.
But no, you aren't going to see them recruit like they have been. And the last two years are starting to show that. Kentucky has taken the top spot again.
I mean regardless of any investigation or any other issues I doubt Duke would land the #1, 2 and 3 recruits. They’ve only landed more than one top 5 recruit twice in the OAD era and one of those was with an injured Harry Giles.
Dukes recruiting fell off after Capel left.
But Duke, UNC, Kansas, Louisville ,Arizona and LSU are the biggest cheaters in, college basketball.
Well sure, Coach K is a pioneer. The first to pay these kids the money the deserve. A true leader of men.
Let me reword this. He is the first coach to pay players get caught and have nothing done to him since wooden and ucla.
“Do I think that Mike Krzyzewski or his assistants were actually involved in any kind of payments for Zion Williamson? No, absolutely not. Frankly, that’s downright idiocy. What is true is Williamson picking Duke was a stunner … There have been plenty of instances where high profile players have gone to schools and it’s been a surprise.”
This quote from Matt Norlander from CBS is my point. I don't think Cal and K are paying players or asking people to. But I think people, whether its shoe people or boosters, are paying them. No way a guy could get $200k to go to another school goes to our school for free. I know you say Cal gets them to the league. He's had more players projected high that failed than have succeeded. No condemnation of him, its pure numbers. But if they're getting paid to go elsewhere, they are getting paid to come here.
This quote from Matt Norlander from CBS is my point. I don't think Cal and K are paying players or asking people to. But I think people, whether its shoe people or boosters, are paying them. No way a guy could get $200k to go to another school goes to our school for free. I know you say Cal gets them to the league. He's had more players projected high that failed than have succeeded. No condemnation of him, its pure numbers. But if they're getting paid to go elsewhere, they are getting paid to come here.
Because he has morals. I thought you Dukies had it upstairs?
Maybe someone will pay you to quit posting on this board.
What a surprise. Another national media member defending Duke. Why didn't Norlander write anything defending Cal when he was accused of paying players? When Cal was getting top classes almost every national sportswriter was accusing him of cheating. Now that Krzyzewski is getting exposed as a cheater he's saying it's the shoe companies and the boosters who are to blame. When Cal was getting most of the oads they were talking about how he was ruining college basketball. When Krzyzewski started getting the same type of players they began bragging how he was beating Cal at his own game. They are a bunch of hypocrites who have been trying to bring Cal down ever since he's been here.
Maybe he didn't like those obnoxious pricks at Dook, that would be my guess.
Now that is a absolutely true statement !
Once theNCAA gives a coach/school sainthood they will go to great lengths to cover for them.....(sic) Dean Smith..... the NCAA isn’t going to let Duke/K get exposed if they can help it.....
When there is actual proof that players are paid to come to UK, I will acknowledge it. Until then, Cal’s history of getting players to the NBA and his history of backing off players suddenly with no explanation show me he is doing things differently. There have plenty of players who have transferred under Cal at UK- and some not in good terms. Not one has come forward saying any payments were made. Not one player in ten years.
