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Zagoria: Oscar NBA workouts
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Idk if most on this board watch any nba or not…. But every dude on the court for the most part is an athletic freak and can guard multiple spots. Hell they had Vanderbilt on morant some
Oscar isn’t ready but he could get there His role is to become a defensive juggernaut who can hit an open jumper. That bringing the ball down low bs did appear to cost us some games the two years and is a disqualifier for pt in the league but, it can be fixed and the real reason we lost those games is because our guard play was soft as hell the last two years.
Oscar needs to come back to open arms. And not take a reduced role but understand his instruction are to rebound and become an excellent defender. That’s it. Hit your wide open jumper the rare times you get them.
Oscar isn’t ready but he could get there His role is to become a defensive juggernaut who can hit an open jumper. That bringing the ball down low bs did appear to cost us some games the two years and is a disqualifier for pt in the league but, it can be fixed and the real reason we lost those games is because our guard play was soft as hell the last two years.
Oscar needs to come back to open arms. And not take a reduced role but understand his instruction are to rebound and become an excellent defender. That’s it. Hit your wide open jumper the rare times you get them.
If not for injuries Vanderbilt would have been one of the top 6/7 players cal had here at UK. Go back and watch his highschool stuff. The dude is a freak athlete
Dude Vanderbilt is a freak athlete that has pg handles
Very few get into the NBA at that age, so you have no reliable data to support that. Oscar is late to the game, still learning and has an excellent work ethic. It’s foolish to arbitrarily dismiss him like that.
He's not athletic enough. It doesn't matter how hard some work, they will never be able to be that level of athlete.
Another one that does not understand strength is a key facet of athleticism. How do you think he gets all those rebounds?
It's not just strength. He does not play well in an offense. He's off doing his own thing. And he doesn't play much defense, just heads for the basket instead of defending his man. He's hurting his team and padding his stats. This is what Oscar did at WVU, and started doing last season at UK. He must not have much strength in his legs because everytime he gets an offensive rebound he brings the ball down close to the floor so that he can shoot a layup or maybe dunk.
We’re not talking about skills you bafoon, we’re talking about things that should have been learned in pee wee. It’s too late for Oscar to learn those things, it’s obvious he ain’t doing it.
By leaving his man to dunk a lob on his face or allowing a penetrating guard to abuse him like an American in a concentration camp.
It's cool you love Oscar and Kentucky but you obviously don't know a thing about NBA basketball if you are trashing what Vanderbilt brings to the Lakers. He can defend several positions and is an energy player who doesn't need the ball to contribute. The Lakers have the best record in the NBA since the Trade deadline and he's a big part of it with his versatility and ability to guard. LeBron James missed 14 games after the deadline too so it's not as if Lakers were at full strength. Did you see him lock up Luka Doncic? He has ability to defend Ja Morant, Doncic and make things difficult. He's also made more 3's than expected from the corner and under Phil Handy has developed into a better offensive player. Lakers are developing him into a Draymond Green role without him needing to have antics and villain attitude.
Oscar Tshiebwe needs to improve as a player to make sure he's a G-League prospect.
THIS. He was electric to watch when he teamed up with De'Aaron Fox, Carsen Edwards and Robert Williams on Houston Hoops team. He can do so many things and makes winning plays that you can't coach.
As for the comments on his shooting--he's improved greatly and Lakers will invest in player development. Already mentioned their league best record when he came over in the trade, but also have to point out he single handedly kept them in the game in 1st Quarter of Game 4 which Lakers won in OT. Ended up with 15 and 11 but had 10 pts in a stretch where Memphis was up 8 and Vanderbilt's shot/playmaking kept it from being a deeper hole. Can laugh if you want at a 1st Quarter output, but keeping margins close is how you come back in NBA games.
The game that turned Lakers season around it was his impact that started it. Dallas game on road when they were down 27 pts.....he fueled the comeback by locking down Doncic to the point he couldn't even dribble the ball around him and ironically that is game LeBron was injured and missed 14 straight after. Without him...they don't make Playoffs this year and now they are in 2nd Round.
Understand if fans don't like the NBA or don't care to follow ex Cats who didn't play much in Lexington. But talking **** about a guy who will have a 10+ yr career in the NBA while hyping what a fringe G-League player who is older than Vanderbilt now and still in college/working out to show he can make a roster would do in a game 7 against defending champs is a bit much.
At least Oscar gave us his all AT UK while Vanderbilt gave us zip.
Guys improve when they get to the NBA and the elite players keep working/improving but they have a base that Oscar doesn't possess. I think Oscar is a guy I'd have on a team because he'd practice hard and provide a physical presence. But like Luka Garza and soon to be Zach Edey-they are going to spend most of their time in G-League and wearing street clothes on the bench. All have the same issue-they can't defend in the NBA. Garza has played for Wolves and had some games where he scored some pts-he's tremendously skilled offensively. The issue that limits him-in same game he scored-the team gave up 35 pts in a Quarter because he can't defend, isn't agile enough to rebound out of his area. If you want to see why Garza has limited NBA role-go watch the loss to Oregon in the 2nd Round of his last year at Iowa. It was too fast of a game for him.
So that's the response to a discussion about the NBA? Vanderbilt played hard and would've been a popular player if he was healthy, He was injured-broken foot much like Julius Randle played through in NCAA's but needed to repaired in offseason. Also Kentucky feared NCAA sniffing around an Agent situation and was ahead of things so they'd not get punished if the NCAA wanted to dig deeper.
The thread is about Oscar and the NBA Workouts and then people wanted to **** all over a guy who has improved and part of a starting lineup that is in 2nd Round of playoffs. Nobody is saying Oscar wasn't a great Kentucky player.
Oh, you think they have Pee Wee in the Congo? Also, those folks that named him an AA seemed to think he was learning something.
Really? Let's see you play defense when the coach says, Big guy, don't foul out or we're dead....
Remember he is wrestling the toughest guys on the floor and is often double and triple teamed. Further, his scoring stats are simply not that bad. I get you hate Oscar and want him gone but fact is he is a VERY solid ball player.
So you are saying his rebounds come from made baskets? Serious question. Have you actually watched a game? Ever?
Vanderbilt is a very good defensive player who was drafted when he was 19 years old and the NBA had years to work/mold him into a playable rotation piece.
Oscar is a horrific defensive player even at the college level at the age of 23.
He's also considerably less athletic than Vanderbilt was/is.
You don't have to be a freak athlete. Sure that can help. But he has a special skill, that only a very few come close to him. Does that 1 skill mean he will be a star, or even start? No!!! But I means he can contribute, possibly significantly or maybe just in that limited role off the bench.
He can be taught to focus more on defense. He should be now, but that's on Cal.
But his real benefit to a team is on offensive rebounds, getting his teammates/shooters more shot attempts off offensive rebounds.
So I’ve been watching most every game in the playoffs with teams scoring 60-70 points per half. Please tell me who plays defense for any team. If someone is really hot and they want to slow them down it’s usually a double or triple team.
Vanderbilt looked like crap against the Grizzlies on defense for the whole series, the announcers even mentioned it several games. I have watched nearly every playoff game this year and teams are averaging 60-70 points per half. Tell me who exactly is playing great defense? If they try to slow a hit shooting player it’s usually by double teaming him. During the Celtics Sixers game last night both teams scored almost every trip down the floor for ten minutes. Where were the defensive experts there.
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Just say you haven't watched Vanderbilt play for the Lakers since he was acquired other than the Grizzlies series which he wasn't terrible at all but apparently you said they bashed him for being awful. This response is all over the place to not reference the response I gave. Again, I'm not asking you who to like/not like but to s*** all over Vanderbilt is misguided. He's done a fantastic job for Los Angeles and that's why he is playing.
These are the best players in the world who are extremely skilled. They make a lot of shots and contested shots which actually has some good defense played without fouling-but the guy can hit the shot. If you don't care for the NBA, say that. I enjoy watching the skill and as a Laker fan, I'm very happy with Vanderbilt's play. If you have a problem with the lack of contact which I actually think they've let the players play more in Playoffs than in regular season, point your blame at Duke alum and NBA Commissioner Adam Silver. He has chosen to have games officiated/played like this.
Now since the thread wanted to crap all over Vanderbilt specifically while praising Oscar Tshiebwe, there's a reason Oscar is deciding whether he should go or not at the age of 25+ (he's older than he is listed). Hell if defense is as bad as you claim in the NBA, Oscar should be a Lottery pick. His lack of skill and athleticism is why he's not viewed as a coveted NBA prospect.
Tonight I finally saw who Looney reminds me of as far as resemblance. Justin Edwards! He looks like he could be an older brother to Justin.
If you watched the lakers warriors game tonight it was a perfect illustration of why Vando is in the NBA. He defended Steph at an Elite level. Oscar couldn’t even THINK about doing that.
Much easier to pass to players who do a better job of getting open than those that don’t. GS moves better without the ball than any team we’ve seen in the modern era. Comparing getting the ball out to players like Steph and Klay to the guards UK has had just standing around is night and day.
Kevin Looney did as well. He has developed at GS. Besides rebounding and effort, he was like Bambi on ice when he first came in the league.
I could definitely see Oscar in the same type of role. Effort and energy go a long way. Other things can be taught w decent coaching.
Not as a 3-pt shooter.
He was always known as a freak rebounding machine. I remember when he checked in for his first game. Crowd went nuts and he ran around like Rodman.
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