No. It was UNCG that he lost to at home.
Would we still dump Cal for Musselman?
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Muss recruited himself into a culture problem. He didn't forget how to coach, he just recruited at least some kids who have zero self discipline. Going to be a painful lesson for them to learn.
Don't worry, I'm sure all their loose cannon guys will be dialed in when they play us.
Don't worry, I'm sure all their loose cannon guys will be dialed in when they play us.
Recruiting as a coach at Kentucky is obviously much easier than at Arkansas. There is no way that Cal would have had the same recruiting success at Arkansas.
Cal is a head case too who hates a majority of Kentucky's fanbase, so what is your point?
didn't he recruit like that at Memphis
There are a lot of coaches I would dump Cal for but Musselman isn't one of them.
Honestly, people that start threads like this are no better than the people that start the “fire Cal” threads . You are just stirring things up . Maybe it’s your intention.
I don't think you want to get into Cal's recruiting at Memphis and no he wasn't nearly as successful as a recruiter there.
I mean Kentucky has an assistant on their staff that was arrested for assault and wanton endangerment……
Of course he would. Unless it's someone like Reed, kids really don't care about the tradition and success of the program they play for. They care about the coach and now NIL. Wall, Cousins, and Bledsoe didn't come here to play for UK, they came here to play for Cal. Before that class he was starting to get heavily into the one and done guys with Wall and Tyreke Evans. If he stayed at Memphis the vast majority of the five start one and done recruits that came here would have played for Cal at Memphis.
Before Cal, players came to UK because of UK's tradition. It started to change after Cal turned us into one-and-done university. You must be a newbie if you don't realize this fact. You must be one of those who think Cal brought basketball to Kentucky. Lol
Cal didn't change that. The cultural of college basketball and what recruits valued changed. Cal just saw the writing on the wall before other coaches did.
That is absolutely a lie. You fail miserably at revisionist history. Cal started it and other teams like Duke reluctantly jumped onboard after realizing that by not doing so they were allowing Cal to have free pickings of the nation's top recruits.
Yeah exactly lol. It proves players play for coaches and not programs.
Ok newbie, you go ahead and believe that nonsense. If Cal really thought that players would follow him no matter where he went, he would have taken his balls and gone elsewhere. He knows his act has grown tired in Kentucky. Cal is no fool. You might believe your nonsense, but Cal doesn't. He needs UK more than UK needs him.
I am not going to even waste my time debating with you. You are obviously one of those who worships Cal, so there is no need of me wasting my time with you.
If Cal were at Arkansas he’d still be killing it and would have more instate talent.
It is too bad that Cal doesn't have the same confidence in that as his worshipers. However, it doesn't matter about how much talent he has because he is unable to do much with it. No other coach has as many NBA players as Cal who has very little to show for it. So, if you get excited by lots of glitter and sparkles, you should be excited. However, if you are looking for production, there isn't a lot to get excited about.
I don’t know
He seemed to do ok at Memphis and UMASS
Granted UK should be easier but with his OAD philosophy (plus the rule changes) he’d have done pretty well I think in recruiting
Results are another story
I am not talking about doing ok; I don't think anyone would consider his recruiting at Kentucky as just ok. Cal never even came close to reaching the same level of recruiting success at UMASS as at UK. His recruiting at UK has either been at the top or certainly top 5 every year he has been here. I think that is way more than just ok. Coaches who have recruited at just the ok level have been the ones winning championships. I am more interested in what he does with his recruits than just the simple fact that he gets them here. His lopsided recruiting advantage has only produced one NC and that simply isn't good enough.
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Phrase it this way....
Would you trade a 64 year old with:
6FF
1NC
3x coach of year
801 wins, 76% win percentage
For a 59 year old with:
0FF
0NC
0x coach of year
214 wins, 73% win percentage
???
I mean...no thank you. If I'm going out on a limb give me Tommy Lloyd or hell...even the Golden guy from Florida. I don't need a 60 year old who pulls his shirt off and does track sprints in the locker room...lol.
Would you trade a 64 year old with:
6FF
1NC
3x coach of year
801 wins, 76% win percentage
For a 59 year old with:
0FF
0NC
0x coach of year
214 wins, 73% win percentage
???
I mean...no thank you. If I'm going out on a limb give me Tommy Lloyd or hell...even the Golden guy from Florida. I don't need a 60 year old who pulls his shirt off and does track sprints in the locker room...lol.
I agree 100% with you. I certainly wouldn't want to replace one old coach with another one. I would be looking for someone in his late 30s or early 40s.
I think you attacked the wrong poster because I couldnt agree more with what you said.
Those who have been around for a while are very familiar with Cal's ability to build programs and we are equally familiar with Cal's inability to do very much with what he builds. Lol, They don't give out banners for just building good programs. The program has to win something. If they gave out banners for talking BS, there wouldn't be enough room in the rafters for all the banners.
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Who worships Cal? Saying he would still be killing it in recruiting at Arkansas is worshipping him? Some of y’all need to seek therapy, a coach shouldn’t make you this miserable and irrational.
Fair enough; point conceded
And I entirely agree with you about the results or lack thereof
It isn't the coach that people are reacting to; it is those who worship him. Maybe you shouldn't let the fans who don't agree with you get you so worked up. Maybe you are the one who needs therapy.
Your points were well taken. Sometimes I let these newbies get me worked up and then I start firing in all directions. Lol
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