Would a National Title bring you back on board?
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Another title would put Cal in good company. Plus he’d be only the second UK coach with multiple titles. My ideal scenario would be for Cal to win one more and ride off into the sunset. I really don’t want Cal and BBN to end on rocky terms, and a second title would smooth over a lot of beef between both parties.
For the poll, I did select FF run but there are some other factors. If UK makes a FF next year, plus grabs Wagner and some other top talent, I think BBN will be feeling a lot better about the future. If UK fails to make a FF and whiffs on the top recruits, I think the Cal ride is over at UK.
For the poll, I did select FF run but there are some other factors. If UK makes a FF next year, plus grabs Wagner and some other top talent, I think BBN will be feeling a lot better about the future. If UK fails to make a FF and whiffs on the top recruits, I think the Cal ride is over at UK.
Actually, if facts upset you that much, I would suggest you just watch network news where facts are often optional. You will be much happier.
Great point but I look at what Pitino did from ''92-'97 and then Tubby carried over with majority of the guys still around in '98--and you had season at end of National Champions in '92 and '97 not to mention National Champion/National Runner up in your conference in '94 and '95. Just a great run and was a machine built in the mode that UK fans seem to embrace more than 1 and done.
Cal '10-'15 was special too so think you make a great point about timing of the poll and what Cal was doing with an unorthodox approach to roster building.
UK Should have beaten St Peters.If you think otherwise you are a total idiot.
This is what Cal has done to expectation at UK.We now have actual UK fans trying to argue that losing to the Peacocks was not a bad loss.Good times.
NOBODY is saying it wasn't a bad loss. it was. At least try and be honest! I have always contended that SP was better than some of our so-called fans have said. Go ahead and pretend that they didn't also beat a very good MSU team and then a pretty darn good Purdue team. If it makes you feel better, you can just continue to swim in your pool of misery.
I never said that and never will. We SHOULD have beaten them. But, they deserve credit. They hit their shots, played defense, and played as a team. You are an idiot if you think that they are a trash team. They aren't. NOT one of your ilk has at least admitted that you and they were wrong about SP. Why is that? You don't have to answer. I know the answer. You are idiots who cannot admit you are wrong.
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The topic is seeding and whether teams were properly seeded, not how they performed. UNCheat and St. Peter’s we’re seeded where they should’ve been. The fact that they outplayed their seeds is irrelevant to the seeds they earned. That’s the point.
See the post right above yours for the reason I voted I'm done w/ Cal...period. I'd love that we won another, but I still can't tolerate the "aura" that he's created around the program. I hate being an NBA feeder team, and I hate that "players first" has morphed into "program success irrelevant". I'm ready for a coach who will bleed blue while he's here.
We now have 48 voters on here that would rather not win a national title next season if Cal is the coach. This is why a segment of our fanbase is considered one of the dumbest fanbases in America.
That tells me these same voters are ok with losing, as long as it is some other guy doing the losing (or winning). Bizarre bunch.
That tells me these same voters are ok with losing, as long as it is some other guy doing the losing (or winning). Bizarre bunch.
Rupp or Hall are not walking through that door. If you think Pitino bled blue or Tubby...well you have not been paying attention.
That's not right, at all. 34 fans aren't claiming they wouldn't be happy if we won another championship. 34 fans are saying that a title isn't enough to overlook the warts. I'd be ecstatic w/ a championship; but I'd be even happier if Cal used his trophy acceptance speech to double as his resignation.
NO, it isn't the point. The point that was made was that SP was trash. That assessment was made BASED on their seed. Most here didn't even know who they were before the tournament. Seeding is pretty much irrelevant once the tournament starts. Crying about losing to a particular seed like most on this board have been doing for weeks is the stuff junior high girls do. Real basketball fans understand the game of basketball. Most of you don't have a clue.
They were trash. Get another tube of lipstick for that pig.
You are simply attempting to rationalize an embarrassing loss. It's akin to a moral victory. Presumably to do damage control for Cal.
They ARE a trash team. They are the dumbest bunch of players in the NCAA. They were wearing BLM tshirts on the bench. Total IDIOTS.
What does their wardrobe have to do with their quality of basketball?
UK 100% should have won that game for sure, but not sure why the obsession with BLM on here by some. Our players all did that stuff too...I definitely did not agree with the vandalism and the riots over that crap but the peaceful stuff I have no issue with. I cannot tell someone whether they should stand or kneel for the anthem either, not my say. Personally I would do away with playing it all together at sporting events or do it when the players are still in the locker rooms.
Not at all. I am calling people out for being full of shit when it comes to the amount of them saying that another national title wouldn't change their take on the man. If that scenario took place and people still were upset/unhappy then it's not on Calipari, it's on them for being insufferable, miserable people.
Nowhere did I say things are great, I'm talking about the topic/options given and the laughable people who aren't being honest with their answers. There's only one way that it'll be proven. Now if you are saying you don't think he'll ever achieve that, I'm more than willing to agree and say that's likely within the time frame we all expect he's going to continue coaching.
I view this poll much how I view how people say they would speak to someone if given the opportunity and how many actually would follow through when that person they detest is right in front of them.
You're not sure why? This has been litigated on this forum since they knelt at the UF game. Living under a rock this whole time?
Haven’t read the thread and don’t intend to, but Cal needs to learn that spewing hot air doesn’t win anything.
You need to face reality and quit living in fantasy land. The game has passed Cal by.
Lol, then wearing a T shirt you don’t like makes them a trash team. Sure bud
I was about to say maybe we should’ve been wearing them. Got them to the E8.
I mean the beat us, a solid Murray team, and a preseason title pick. What does that make all those teams.
Meant what??
Yea I guess he wasn't trying to win in 2015
Or the title game in 2014 smh
I agree with that. I just don't buy that IF and again this is a hypothetical discussion with a poll that people are going to vote based on how they currently feel, not if that hypothetical situation happens because if you are at point you/many others are, you don't see this as remotely possible.
Never said I don't get why you are upset or angry. I just refuse to believe that people would still be this angry/feeling this done if the guy won another championship. Easy to say now, but if they won, then many things that have upset fans would have had to changed to get them over the hump.
Done??? The only thing that should matter is winning and if a title is won, and people are still upset, that's on them.
Wonder if UNC fans said the same thing between '09-'15 when Roy Williams didn't make it past the EE and didn't make it past Swt 16 for 3 consecutive seasons? Then went to 2 consecutive title games.
You are spot on in my case, I can’t answer for anyone else. I checked out a couple years ago, quit watching and other than reading and posting here, quit following. At first yes, I was miserable, angry etc. Now? Nah, no real feelings at all, pretty much serene. I’m patiently waiting for better days. Now, obviously I’m still interested or I wouldn’t read or post here, but not miserable at all. Being a fan for over 50 years, I’ve finally learned to be patient.
The question in itself is a conundrum for me. The reason I’m done with Cal is because I think he won’t bring another Final Four banner to Lexington. He can’t reel in multiple top 5 guys anymore. It’s been since 2017 when we’ve had several impact NBA guys on the roster which is what Cal needs bc his in game isn’t great and seems to be getting worse by the year. So would a title bring me back? I guess it would but that’s like asking me if my old job called me and offered 6 figures to do it, would I come back. Absolutely I would, but I’m not expecting that phone call.
I don’t know how old you are but , I’ve already accepted that we won’t catch UCLA in my lifetime. I was like you though, and for a while I thought it would happen.
Your observation is correct, but I believe your conclusion might miss. Of course, Cal would get a higher vote if taken in 2015, there was no reason to believe anything would change back then.
But more information is always a good thing when trying to make an informed decision. Now we have more information on Cal's tenure and we have seen that it is going the wrong way, so we know we wouldn't want that again if we had a choice, so we would make a more informed decision.
Example: if you are served a meal 4 nights in a row, the first two of them are ok, the next one is great, but you didn't get enough, and the last one is great. You are asked to judge them immediately after finishing the 4th meal and you would choose number 4. However, the next day you come down with food poisoning from the 4th meal. Then, 7 days later, you are asked to judge them again. You would definitely not choose the 4th meal again.
So, after 7 additional years to judge Cal, most people have decided the short term satisfaction of his first 5 years isn't worth the vomiting that followed in the last 7 years since then!
Personally, I still would have chosen Pitino even after Cal's successful run if you had asked me back in 2015 - the success was very similar, but I liked the way Pitino won better with players that stayed longer and especially because it was a more exciting way to play on both ends of the court. I always believed Pitino's system could win even without having the top 10 recruits every year. We know that isn't true of Cal's system.
There were a few things Pitino was hard headed on, a few things he wasn't the best at doing, and he talked down to us too, but if you are winning, that can be overlooked, just like it was with Cal when he was winning.
Of course, after learning about some of P's personal downfalls, I don't support his off court antics - I probably shouldn't admit it out loud, but I would probably overlook them to have him back in his prime.
Yep, I understand that and it is true. It also kept Tubby her too long.
But, I can support my team, and it's coach while still wanting a better replacement for him, because if Cal keeps failing, then the team likely fails. I have to because I really don't want to keep losing and I don't want to quit watching again like I did at the end of Tubby's Tenure and the 2nd year after Gillespies hiring.
But if the team does start winning again, it means Cal actually adapted and changed, which would be a good thing for everyone involved. I am not counting on that though.
Really good point. If Cal does start winning again, hopefully it means he made a permanent change, and hopefully it wasn't just luck. Hopefully he changed into something we all can like.
If your old job called and said 6 figures, but you still have to stand on your head in manure while doing it, maybe I would still turn that down. But if it was 6 figs in Hawaii with great benefits, then maybe ur old job figured out why everyone hated working there?
You’re one of those that don’t have a clue. St. Peter’s played well in the tournament. Congrats to them. Now, go look at their schedule. Double digit losses to some bad and irrelevant teams. They were a 15 seed for a reason. I’m done with this conversation. You’re irrational and simply trying to sugarcoat the loss.
Yeah if it’s the later then we’re stuck with Cal and his one/none-and-done shenanigans.
I'm sure not going to complain about a national title, but it would be a step in restoring my confidence in him to be the man to lead this program.
I need more winning games that matter on the big stage during the regular season. Winning the SEC and SECT. Not being embarassed by the sorry ass likes of Tennessee and Auburn.
We've had some flat out terrible and embarassing/inexcusable tournament losses with Cal. There's a difference between losing to the Luke Maye UNC team as we did, v losing to Auburn who was missing their big man and we had just blasted by 27 2 weeks prior.
Just because both were Elite 8 games does not make them equal. One was an acceptable loss. One was flat out inexcusable.
Not gonna bother with the other tournament losses post 2015. We've all discussed them plenty. But you get my point
I need more winning games that matter on the big stage during the regular season. Winning the SEC and SECT. Not being embarassed by the sorry ass likes of Tennessee and Auburn.
We've had some flat out terrible and embarassing/inexcusable tournament losses with Cal. There's a difference between losing to the Luke Maye UNC team as we did, v losing to Auburn who was missing their big man and we had just blasted by 27 2 weeks prior.
Just because both were Elite 8 games does not make them equal. One was an acceptable loss. One was flat out inexcusable.
Not gonna bother with the other tournament losses post 2015. We've all discussed them plenty. But you get my point
