Would a National Title bring you back on board?

[DraftCat]

Would be fantastic... always on board as a UK Fan though.

End of the day.... I do think the program needs a new voice. I really believe recruits are tuning him out and much more wiser to the bs he's selling them.

Hate to say it but each generation grows up smarter than the previous one.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I wouldn't say I'm done with Cal but I have lost pretty much all the faith I had in him. Part of me sees more disappointment ahead and part of me thinks he figures this out and makes a couple more big tourney runs. The only reason I'm not done with him at this point is I don't know who replaces him and that is not good in my view.

It is not unreasonable to think we could contend for a Title next year. I know we are thin now (10 players) but with Oscar back and supporting pieces, it is very much possible.

The defense should be really good next year and Cals elite teams have been elite defenders.

Some think Wallace is one of the best guards to come to UK in many years. IF you get Collins/Toppin to take a big next step and Wheeler is the good version, it is possible.

So what would it take for you to get back on board with Cal or are you done?

I didn't vote in the poll as there wasn't an appropriate answer for me. My answer would be yes and no. Yes in that I would shut up and accept Cal as the #2 in UK's pecking order. I would appreciate the accomplishment very much. No in that I abhor what Cal has done to UK basketball. I hate the revolving door of players, I hate the inability to connect to the players like family, I hate feeling like an NBA farm team and I hate Cals arrogance towards BBN.

 

[ralphdaltonfan]

That asinine thing of this poll is seeing that so many people said that it wouldn't matter if they won another National Championship. These people are called liars or non fans. If you would be upset about that, you aren't a fan and are a miserable person who needs to get some help for issues that have 0 to do with sports.

 

[HagginHall1999]

So now with close to 100 votes over 50% want at least a FF and they are happy and back on Cals side.

A staggering 25% are done with Cal regardless. Mind blowing to me. Would love to hear some reasons for this since this poll is playing in hypotheticals.

You would seriously want Cal gone if he took us to a FF or won a Title next year??

 

[HagginHall1999]

I didn't vote in the poll as there wasn't an appropriate answer for me. My answer would be yes and no. Yes in that I would shut up and accept Cal as the #2 in UK's pecking order. I would appreciate the accomplishment very much. No in that I abhor what Cal has done to UK basketball. I hate the revolving door of players, I hate the inability to connect to the players like family, I hate feeling like an NBA farm team and I hate Cals arrogance towards BBN.

I understand the logic but I do wonder how connected you were/are with the program. Follow me and I promise I'm not trying to be a JA....just giving my opinion.

I went to UK and felt no connection with any of Tubby teams between 1999-2003 or longer after I was out of school but still acting like I was in school and living in Lex.

A player peeing on the street, another former beloved Wildcat threatening my friends life over a girl, guys get arrested for fake ids, players crawling into the back seat of a car to avoid a DUI...

Wasn't connected to any of those guys. If you go to any of Cals camps the players (and Cal) are absolutely wonderful. Hardly ever hear of someone getting in trouble off the court....maybe Hagans and Dodson in 13 years?

That isn't all that matters by any stretch. That said, the days of 4 year guys are done and gone now...with or without Cal's system. Transfer portal, NIL, etc has changed game for good.

So how were you connected to guys years ago? Just because they were on TV and in the games for 4 years?

 

[Colonial Farm 80]

I support all UK sports. I support Cal. He already won a NC, and I am not a fair weather fan like many here.

If some fans don't support Cal after he already won a NC, how will that change if he wins another?

But that does not mean that I agree with everything. Right now, we need more players. We ran short of players last season when our starting guards were hurt and Oscar was having foul problems. Since then, Mintz, Grady, Allen, Washington, Brooks, and Hopkins are gone. Still waiting for Toppin to clarify his intentions, and all the waiting is troublesome. Meanwhile Cal has added Fredrick, Wallace, Livingston, Theiro, and Reeves. So if we were prone to being short on players last year, we could be even more prone to being short on players this year unless Cal adds to his roster this summer. There is no reason not to add.

NCs are very hard to win. If a NC in a prescribed period of time is the parameter for determining whether a coach deserves fan support, than 99% of all college basketball coaches don't. There are some performance trends that concern me. But I would not necessarily need another NC right away to become satisfied that they are being dealt with. The last I heard, everyone wanted Antigua back. Well, Antigua is back. So let's give him a chance.

 

[ukBBrulez]

So now with close to 100 votes over 50% want at least a FF and they are happy and back on Cals side.

A staggering 25% are done with Cal regardless. Mind blowing to me. Would love to hear some reasons for this since this poll is playing in hypotheticals.

You would seriously want Cal gone if he took us to a FF or won a Title next year??

The chances of Triple C ever making a another FF let alone winning the NC have the same odds of Sharpe coming back.

It’s not happening! Triple C isn’t a good coach or person!

I’m done!!!

I wish he would leave today so I can be optimistic about next season.

 

[crawfords corner]

You missed the 6th option

0 No because he kneeled

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I understand the logic but I do wonder how connected you were/are with the program. Follow me and I promise I'm not trying to be a JA....just giving my opinion.

I went to UK and felt no connection with any of Tubby teams between 1999-2003 or longer after I was out of school but still acting like I was in school and living in Lex.

A player peeing on the street, another former beloved Wildcat threatening my friends life over a girl, guys get arrested for fake ids, players crawling into the back seat of a car to avoid a DUI...

Wasn't connected to any of those guys. If you go to any of Cals camps the players (and Cal) are absolutely wonderful. Hardly ever hear of someone getting in trouble off the court....maybe Hagans and Dodson in 13 years?

That isn't all that matters by any stretch. That said, the days of 4 year guys are done and gone now...with or without Cal's system. Transfer portal, NIL, etc has changed game for good.

So how were you connected to guys years ago? Just because they were on TV and in the games for 4 years?

My wife and I both went to UK. I considered the program a part of me and the players were deeply important. That never meant I liked every player. Irving Thomas was an asshole, plain and simple. I worked in the student center then and had to contact the athletic department over his behavior towards a fellow student employee. I never saw him again and good riddance.

As for mistakes, our family and friends make terrible mistakes too. Knowing the players for 4-5 years formed deep connections. Of course the old days are gone but there isn't anything from stopping UK from having a good mix of short term and long term players. Pretty much every other team has that. If fans struggle to form deep connections with the players how could they ever form deep connections to the program? Just my rambling opiniin.

 

[Pockethose]

I'll always be a UK fan. Cal is irrelevant to that.

 

[CBBCrazy]

I have had enough of Cal for years now, if he couldn't win with the 2015 team its pretty safe to say he will never win another one here. Can't be gone soon enough to suit me.

 

[JC CATS]

I wouldn't say I'm done with Cal but I have lost pretty much all the faith I had in him. Part of me sees more disappointment ahead and part of me thinks he figures this out and makes a couple more big tourney runs. The only reason I'm not done with him at this point is I don't know who replaces him and that is not good in my view.

It is not unreasonable to think we could contend for a Title next year. I know we are thin now (10 players) but with Oscar back and supporting pieces, it is very much possible.

The defense should be really good next year and Cals elite teams have been elite defenders.

Some think Wallace is one of the best guards to come to UK in many years. IF you get Collins/Toppin to take a big next step and Wheeler is the good version, it is possible.

So what would it take for you to get back on board with Cal or are you done?

I mean, what's better than a national title? That's like saying, would you be happy with your place of employment if they gave you a milliob dollars and told you to take paid vacation the rest of your life. Are you gonna say, No, I quit!

 

[BlueThunderstruck]

To be fair, the seeding has changed in recent years due to a change in criteria. In past years UNC would have been seeded much higher. Baylor would have been seeded lower. Remember 2000 Cincy? They were a lock for a number 1 seed going into the NCAA tournament but Kenyon Martin went down with an injury just before the start of the tournament and they were dropped to a 2 seed.

People who scream that we lost to a 15 seed and cry about how horrible that was just don't understand seeding, basketball, etc. That 15 seed went on to beat two other teams that should have beaten them. I always thought UK fans knew the game but many of them apparently don't have a clue.

Again, a team’s performance in the tournament has zero effect on seeding. How could it? Teams are seeded based on their regular season and conference tournament performances. St. Peter’s got the seeding they deserved. Look at their record and who they lost to. Teams sometimes outplay or underplay their seeding, but that doesn’t mean they were seeded wrongly. Otherwise the only time you could say every team was properly seeded is if every higher seeded team always beats the lower seed. That just isn’t reality. We were the overall # 1 seed in 2015 but got beat in the Final Four. Were we overseeded? Of course not. Again, your performance in the tournament has nothing to do with where you were seeded.

 

[saxonburgcat]

Again, a team’s performance in the tournament has zero effect on seeding. How could it? Teams are seeded based on their regular season and conference tournament performances. St. Peter’s got the seeding they deserved. Look at their record and who they lost to. Teams sometimes outplay or underplay their seeding, but that doesn’t mean they were seeded wrongly. Otherwise the only time you could say every team was properly seeded is if every higher seeded team always beats the lower seed. That just isn’t reality. We were the overall # 1 seed in 2015 but got beat in the Final Four. Were we overseeded? Of course not. Again, your performance in the tournament has nothing to do with where you were seeded.

Teams are NOW seeded based on "body of work." Historically, the seeding was based on how they finished the season. The system is simply flawed. I don't think it is that hard to understand. Using past criteria, UNC would have been seeded much higher than it was this year! UK probably would have been seeded lower. Baylor was a horrible 1 seed due to injuries that were not factored in to the seed.

But, here is an article that explains to our uninformed fans how it is that a 15 can beat a 2 in the first round:

The NCAA Tournament expanded from 64 teams to 68 teams for the 2011 tournament, adding four more at-large teams and introducing the First Four games. Under that new setup, suddenly there were SIX teams on the No. 16 seed line — the teams with overall seeds 65, 66, 67 and 68 play for the right to face the No. 1 seed — which means two teams that would have, in the pre-2011 tournament, been 15 seeds were suddenly 16 seeds. And two teams that would have been 14 seeds became 15 seeds, and so on and so forth. See how that raised the quality of the teams at the back end of the seed list?

That’s how Lehigh — featuring future NBA star C.J. McCollum — played as a 15 seed and upset Duke in 2012. And that’s how Middle Tennessee State, a very good, veteran team was a 15 seed despite finishing second in C-USA in the regular season and winning the automatic bid with a tournament title for the conference ranked 20th of 32 leagues in KenPom’s ratings. Before the expansion, no way teams of that caliber would have wound up on the 15 seed line.

 

[Snow Leopard II]

I will always hate Cal. My extreme political views, generational bigotry, and 78 IQ brain says never.

 

[track42]

That asinine thing of this poll is seeing that so many people said that it wouldn't matter if they won another National Championship. These people are called liars or non fans. If you would be upset about that, you aren't a fan and are a miserable person who needs to get some help for issues that have 0 to do with sports.

How about the idiots who voted they will support Cal no matter what?Basically saying it's okay if he never wins another game.Are those non fans also?

 

[ChicagoCat1990]

Winning fixes everything

 

[ralphdaltonfan]

How about the idiots who voted they will support Cal no matter what?Basically saying it's okay if he never wins another game.Are those non fans also?

Nobody would be fine if he never won a game, nor would he be employed. You can't even engage with someone so ****ing stupid on either side of this hypothetical argument. They are that stupid.
Literally have nearly 34 "fans" claiming they would not be happy if he won a National Championship. That's seriously so ignorant, they should find something else to do with their time.

 

[Ed323232]

How about the idiots who voted they will support Cal no matter what?Basically saying it's okay if he never wins another game.Are those non fans also?

Or the idiots that would not support him if they won a national title.

 

[HagginHall1999]

How about the idiots who voted they will support Cal no matter what?Basically saying it's okay if he never wins another game.Are those non fans also?

That wasn't the poll option. The option I think you are referring to is "never quit supporting"...meaning they are still in support of Cal despite the calls for him to change, be fired, whatever.

Many folks, right or wrong gave Cal a pass for COVID year. Last year was a good season that ended incredibly poorly. The Sharpe debacle is hard to ignore though...which makes it hard for me to understand those people too.

 

[SemperFiCat]

That wasn't the poll option. The option I think you are referring to is "never quit supporting"...meaning they are still in support of Cal despite the calls for him to change, be fired, whatever.

Many folks, right or wrong gave Cal a pass for COVID year. Last year was a good season that ended incredibly poorly. The Sharpe debacle is hard to ignore though...which makes it hard for me to understand those people too.

IMO, the majority doesn't think UK/Cal are trending in the right way since Wisc. I put myself in that camp. The little Calisms could be overlooked while UK was on top. But now, those same Calisms don't mix well with the current UK product. Personally, I've had my fill of Cal, and not seeing anything another coach couldn't do (minus the Calisms). So, thanks for the memories, it's time we part ways kinda thing for me.

 

[BlueThunderstruck]

Teams are NOW seeded based on "body of work." Historically, the seeding was based on how they finished the season. The system is simply flawed. I don't think it is that hard to understand. Using past criteria, UNC would have been seeded much higher than it was this year! UK probably would have been seeded lower. Baylor was a horrible 1 seed due to injuries that were not factored in to the seed.

But, here is an article that explains to our uninformed fans how it is that a 15 can beat a 2 in the first round:

The NCAA Tournament expanded from 64 teams to 68 teams for the 2011 tournament, adding four more at-large teams and introducing the First Four games. Under that new setup, suddenly there were SIX teams on the No. 16 seed line — the teams with overall seeds 65, 66, 67 and 68 play for the right to face the No. 1 seed — which means two teams that would have, in the pre-2011 tournament, been 15 seeds were suddenly 16 seeds. And two teams that would have been 14 seeds became 15 seeds, and so on and so forth. See how that raised the quality of the teams at the back end of the seed list?

That’s how Lehigh — featuring future NBA star C.J. McCollum — played as a 15 seed and upset Duke in 2012. And that’s how Middle Tennessee State, a very good, veteran team was a 15 seed despite finishing second in C-USA in the regular season and winning the automatic bid with a tournament title for the conference ranked 20th of 32 leagues in KenPom’s ratings. Before the expansion, no way teams of that caliber would have wound up on the 15 seed line.

UNCheat was terrible the first half to 2/3 of the season. They got drilled numerous times. They weren’t even projected to get a bid with around 10 games to go. Again, they were seeded properly.

And you are wrong about teams previously being seeded based on how they finished the season. That was ONE of several things the committee considered but far from the only thing they looked at. Team’s last ten games were considered, but their seeding was definitely not based on that alone.

 

[Wildcats1st]

I support all UK sports. I support Cal. He already won a NC, and I am not a fair weather fan like many here.

If some fans don't support Cal after he already won a NC, how will that change if he wins another?

But that does not mean that I agree with everything. Right now, we need more players. We ran short of players last season when our starting guards were hurt and Oscar was having foul problems. Since then, Mintz, Grady, Allen, Washington, Brooks, and Hopkins are gone. Still waiting for Toppin to clarify his intentions, and all the waiting is troublesome. Meanwhile Cal has added Fredrick, Wallace, Livingston, Theiro, and Reeves. So if we were prone to being short on players last year, we could be even more prone to being short on players this year unless Cal adds to his roster this summer. There is no reason not to add.

NCs are very hard to win. If a NC in a prescribed period of time is the parameter for determining whether a coach deserves fan support, than 99% of all college basketball coaches don't. There are some performance trends that concern me. But I would not necessarily need another NC right away to become satisfied that they are being dealt with. The last I heard, everyone wanted Antigua back. Well, Antigua is back. So let's give him a chance.

You know what’s even more difficult to do at Uk than win a natty? Having a losing season. Losing to a 15 seed. Both of these are a rare occurrence that no other coach has endured in 100 yrs except a doomed Eddie Sutton. Let that sink in.

btw the op made it very clear this isn’t about supporting uk basketball it’s about cal winning respect back. I can’t see how you can love our program and at the same time support a guy who has taken the program to all time lows. Speaking from a position of a UK football fan. We’ve endured a lot of losing. UK fb has some fervent fans but I remember a guy named bill curry who was run out after a couple of seasons one that saw us lose brutally in the peach bowl. People threw bricks through curry’s window with death threats taped to them. Some of you need perspective of how important basketball is to the people in the state of Kentucky. I have this shirt from 98 that has 7 banners of all our titles up to that point. It says “history does repeat itself. It’s called tradition”. We have a handful of UK bb fans who obviously don’t care about tradition they care about Barney or cal or maybe fb overall. It’s pretty sad that in what will be 25 years we have 1 title and are slipping big time.

 

[michaeluk26]

I wouldn't say I'm done with Cal but I have lost pretty much all the faith I had in him. Part of me sees more disappointment ahead and part of me thinks he figures this out and makes a couple more big tourney runs. The only reason I'm not done with him at this point is I don't know who replaces him and that is not good in my view.

It is not unreasonable to think we could contend for a Title next year. I know we are thin now (10 players) but with Oscar back and supporting pieces, it is very much possible.

The defense should be really good next year and Cals elite teams have been elite defenders.

Some think Wallace is one of the best guards to come to UK in many years. IF you get Collins/Toppin to take a big next step and Wheeler is the good version, it is possible.

So what would it take for you to get back on board with Cal or are you done?

Congrats on the 4th the child. You seem like a genuinely good dude so I'd bet you're a good father. Hope everything goes ok.

 

[HagginHall1999]

Congrats on the 4th the child. You seem like a genuinely good dude so I'd bet you're a good father. Hope everything goes ok.

Thanks Michael! Much appreciated and very kind of you to say. Well today has come and gone and she isn't here yet. Today was due date. We will see what next couple days brings and inducing Wednesday if need to.

 

[Seth_C]

That asinine thing of this poll is seeing that so many people said that it wouldn't matter if they won another National Championship. These people are called liars or non fans. If you would be upset about that, you aren't a fan and are a miserable person who needs to get some help for issues that have 0 to do with sports.

Can you read or did the Kentucky education system fail you? A question was asked. A question was answered. I want a championship every year. If we win one, I will be thrilled. I still won't like Calipari. That ship has sailed. I will always like Kentucky. These are two different things.

The question didn't ask "does it matter to you if Kentucky wins a championship?" It was "what will it take for you to support Calipari again?" My answer is nothing; he lost that opportunity. The championship will still matter to me, and I will appreciate that he won it, but I will still be ready for a new coach. This isn't hard to understand, so please stop the nonsense.

 

[ralphdaltonfan]

Can you read or did the Kentucky education system fail you? A question was asked. A question was answered. I want a championship every year. If we win one, I will be thrilled. I still won't like Calipari. That ship has sailed. I will always like Kentucky. These are two different things.

The question didn't ask "does it matter to you if Kentucky wins a championship?" It was "what will it take for you to support Calipari again?" My answer is nothing; he lost that opportunity. The championship will still matter to me, and I will appreciate that he won it, but I will still be ready for a new coach. This isn't hard to understand, so please stop the nonsense.

Understand not liking state of program. Or how Calipari does things. The personal insult I appreciate because you were direct, shared how you voted and I can appreciate direct attacks and insults and not passive aggressive punk sh*t. That being said the title of the thread is :Would a National Title Bring You Back on Board" with options given as to what level would be necessary to bring fans on board. I understand people being upset and any outcome less than a National Title, still wanting change, although I do think a Final Four would calm a lot of the fans, but a 2nd title and being Coach who delivered 2 of the school's 9? Yeah--you are a complete jackass moron if you don't get on board with that. But ignorant people are needed to, so god bless and hope we can revisit this at some point. I think you'll get your wish of change soon enough and btw I also am critical of things I think Calipari has failed to do or has done incorrectly but that wasn't my point/response. Since we're talking reading comprehension, my response was to the percentage/amount of votes/voters who said they were done if he won another championship. You chose to respond, so that's on you.

Just hope we get to put this debate to test and see the program win again and see you hate on the guy who was part of putting that together. It seems to me that there are a lot of people just defeated and expecting failure so they can't envision success. That is understandable. Also know that majority of those people would be first to be excited and happy should the program win and compliment the coach for being part of it. You are the apparent outlier. So congrats on that.

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

You get to a point to where someone has lied to you so much you’ve had enough. You’re done, don’t want anything to do with them anymore

 

[morehorsepower4UKbb]

Last week, Oscar Combs posted a poll asking BBN which UK coach they would want to take over the program in their prime, and I thought it was very telling about BBN's feelings right now.
With 1750 votes, 77% chose Pitino and only 15% chose Cal.
I have never seen that many people agree on one thing in my life! Especially considering the supposed animosity towards Pitino.

Here is the link

 

[ralphdaltonfan]

Last week, Oscar Combs posted a poll asking BBN which UK coach they would want to take over the program in their prime, and I thought it was very telling about BBN's feelings right now.
With 1750 votes, 77% chose Pitino and only 15% chose Cal.
I have never seen that many people agree on one thing in my life! Especially considering the supposed animosity towards Pitino.

Here is the link

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I agree with that poll too. The machine Pitino built was as impressive as it gets. If he didn't leave who knows how many championships he'd have won with the way he was operating.

That's also not a hypothetical question. It's asking which guy in their prime would you choose. This thread is hypothetical and to answer it honestly is hard for many to do obviously. I get it, things haven't been going well but to see the amount of people supposedly so down they'd be out if he turned things around, just not buying that is an honest reflection at all because it's based on trying to ignore current feelings/what you've got engrained and projecting positivity.

 

[morehorsepower4UKbb]

I agree with that poll too. The machine Pitino built was as impressive as it gets. If he didn't leave who knows how many championships he'd have won with the way he was operating.

That's also not a hypothetical question. It's asking which guy in their prime would you choose. This thread is hypothetical and to answer it honestly is hard for many to do obviously. I get it, things haven't been going well but to see the amount of people supposedly so down they'd be out if he turned things around, just not buying that is an honest reflection at all because it's based on trying to ignore current feelings/what you've got engrained and projecting positivity.

Good point. I would support our team even if Tom Crean was the coach. That means, I am pulling for a coach that I don't necessarily like, but hope they win in spite of that.
Cal changing some embedded ways would be the quickest way back to the real gold standard, so, I have to hope for that. Heck, try something that ends up failing, IDC, but don't keep doing the same thing that once was successful and hope it starts working again!

 

[BlueSince92]

If we won a title would I be happy?

Yeah

If we won a title and I had a switch that would randomly make 1 of 10 guys including Pitino HC would I still flip it?

Shoot Yeah

 

[bbncal02]

A national title would be exciting, but not as exciting as if the program was being run in a way that was inspirational. It's not being run that way. There's no real reason to believe in it at this point. Who cares about hired guns that have no interest in UK? I'd rather us have a. 500 record and be a bunch of kids that inspired us to root for them.

Dude. The 50s called. That ain’t ever coming back. Anywhere. Sure you can show pride while you’re earning you’re gains but to expect people just to play solely it’s an honor? Not happening. That doesnt even work in private business anymore.

“It’s an honor to work for X for meger wages”. People are loyal to themselves. And that’s not a bad thing per se. But there is a balance. Life is too short to bust ass for fifty years for loyalty and HOPE you make it. Nope. Sorry. Now. You can still be proud of where you work and do good because hopefully you like the company.

But I digress. .500 teams but we like our guys has NEVER really flown here. And never will. This is UK. We win. Period.

 

[bbncal02]

How bad does UK have to do before everyone agrees Cal should go and take Erin and KyBassfan with him? Now that would be a good vote.

20-13 with early round exits in both tourneys would probably do it. Especially if Wagner doesn’t come. Of course nothing is guaranteed. But that would probably be the last feeble straw to break.

 

[HagginHall1999]

I agree with that poll too. The machine Pitino built was as impressive as it gets. If he didn't leave who knows how many championships he'd have won with the way he was operating.

That's also not a hypothetical question. It's asking which guy in their prime would you choose. This thread is hypothetical and to answer it honestly is hard for many to do obviously. I get it, things haven't been going well but to see the amount of people supposedly so down they'd be out if he turned things around, just not buying that is an honest reflection at all because it's based on trying to ignore current feelings/what you've got engrained and projecting positivity.

There is some built in bias to the poll though.

Oscar's question/poll is coming off 2 sub standard seasons from a results standpoint and on the heels of now a 7 year (6 chances) FF draught.

To put it this way, if the poll was posted in 2015 I highly doubt you have the same responses.

 

[Seth_C]

Understand not liking state of program. Or how Calipari does things. The personal insult I appreciate because you were direct, shared how you voted and I can appreciate direct attacks and insults and not passive aggressive punk sh*t. That being said the title of the thread is :Would a National Title Bring You Back on Board" with options given as to what level would be necessary to bring fans on board. I understand people being upset and any outcome less than a National Title, still wanting change, although I do think a Final Four would calm a lot of the fans, but a 2nd title and being Coach who delivered 2 of the school's 9? Yeah--you are a complete jackass moron if you don't get on board with that. But ignorant people are needed to, so god bless and hope we can revisit this at some point. I think you'll get your wish of change soon enough and btw I also am critical of things I think Calipari has failed to do or has done incorrectly but that wasn't my point/response. Since we're talking reading comprehension, my response was to the percentage/amount of votes/voters who said they were done if he won another championship. You chose to respond, so that's on you.

Just hope we get to put this debate to test and see the program win again and see you hate on the guy who was part of putting that together. It seems to me that there are a lot of people just defeated and expecting failure so they can't envision success. That is understandable. Also know that majority of those people would be first to be excited and happy should the program win and compliment the coach for being part of it. You are the apparent outlier. So congrats on that.

Sorry, but although the title may not spell it out in full, the question asked in the poll is:

"What result (upcoming season) would it take for you to support Cal again?"

Similarly, the most negative answer also makes it clear:

"No result will change my mind-done with Cal regardless."

So both the question AND the answer make it clear this question is about Cal specifically, not the program generally.

I chose that answer because it is my belief I will never support Calipari again. Obviously that isn't *entirely* true. He's just in such a deep hole at this point that it would take a miracle. One championship wouldn't be enough. If he won 2 of the next 3? At some point I guess I value winning enough to ignore the rest, but I just don't think that is a realistic expectation and wasn't one of the possible answers.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

So you guys would never stop supporting Calipari, even if he pulled a Sutton, or a Pitino?

Because that was the option you chose of "never stop supporting" Calipari.


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[kywildcat41035]

I’m a UK fan. I’m not interested in anything else.

I would immediately claim Calipari modern goat and tell rivals to EAD. I’d erase the issues and claim 5 final fours 2 titles in 13/14 years. It would elevate us to one of the best of the modern era, and cement his goat status.

In my mind he’d still be behind Pitino but I wouldn’t say it out loud. I’d still be ready for a change because I would think luck played a huge role. But I would promote him as a modern goat because that helps UK’s position and I’m a UK guy.

This says it the best!

 

[saxonburgcat]

UNCheat was terrible the first half to 2/3 of the season. They got drilled numerous times. They weren’t even projected to get a bid with around 10 games to go. Again, they were seeded properly.

And you are wrong about teams previously being seeded based on how they finished the season. That was ONE of several things the committee considered but far from the only thing they looked at. Team’s last ten games were considered, but their seeding was definitely not based on that alone.

UNC was seeded based on a really bad season, but NOBODY would say that they were a typical 8 seed. They finished the season beating Duke twice. They were a legit FF team as they proved on the court. My entire point is that seeding is not that important in understanding how good a team is or isn't.

Losses in December and January have little bearing on how good a team is in March. We crushed KU and UNC and lost in the first round. We lost to a team that was seeded correctly based on their performance all season long but went on a run and played excellent bball in the tournament.

After SP beat us, the majority of this board was screaming about how much of a garbage team they were and that Murray would beat them by 20. SP simply reminded us that a team hitting their shots, giving maximum effort and playing well can beat just about anyone on a given day. The fact that they were in the E8 has been ignored by most of this board because it doesn't fit their agenda. How many posters have come out and said that they were obviously wrong about SP?

 

[ralphdaltonfan]

Sorry, but although the title may not spell it out in full, the question asked in the poll is:

"What result (upcoming season) would it take for you to support Cal again?"

Similarly, the most negative answer also makes it clear:

"No result will change my mind-done with Cal regardless."

So both the question AND the answer make it clear this question is about Cal specifically, not the program generally.

I chose that answer because it is my belief I will never support Calipari again. Obviously that isn't *entirely* true. He's just in such a deep hole at this point that it would take a miracle. One championship wouldn't be enough. If he won 2 of the next 3? At some point I guess I value winning enough to ignore the rest, but I just don't think that is a realistic expectation and wasn't one of the possible answers.

As I stated in my posts and go read my responses that you felt the need to rebuttal in first place. I was specifically focused on the amount of people who said that a National Championship wouldn't matter. You chose to respond, that's your thing. I never said the entire thread was about that aspect, said the people and voters who responded that way need to examine some things and quite frankly if you are this distraught about the guy/state of program, quit watching and don't follow it until he's gone. That will make you happy because the program achieving it's highest level won't do it, so why waste your time as long as he's the HC?

Winning a National Championship is a very difficult thing to do. That being said I like majority of the board here not only do I believe he should have more than 1 championship at Kentucky but have been trending away from achieving this for some time. That's not the discussion/topic of the thread. It's a hypothetical question/debate. The only thing I think is complete BS is the amount of fans who are saying "I'm done even if he won another title". Again if you are this outlier who is this distraught about Calipari, may be best to not bother until he's gone which will be soon enough no matter how the program performs.