Some of our posters are far too preoccupied with Coach Krzyzewski. Why? We have the nation's best college basketball program.
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K and Izzo have learned it is very difficult to coach this way with freshmen leading the way. Since they can't excel at it like Cal, they want something done about it like most other coaches.
I'm a veteran player in the NBA, overpaid for my talents.
Why would I want my players association to let an 18 year old come into the league when I can keep them out until they are 20?
At some point it balances out I understand but shortening their window and letting a few of them show they aren't NBA ready by playing in college is going to help me as a player.
As NBA management, why wouldn't I want a college to vet these kids and also teach them a few things about playing structured ball against good competition?
I don't understand why the NBA would push to have a rule that a kid can jump into the league at 18. I don't see any upside to it. For every Kobe you're going to get 10 Kwame's
If I'm a college coach - I absolutely want potential NBA players on my team for as long as I get them.
Why would I want my players association to let an 18 year old come into the league when I can keep them out until they are 20?
At some point it balances out I understand but shortening their window and letting a few of them show they aren't NBA ready by playing in college is going to help me as a player.
As NBA management, why wouldn't I want a college to vet these kids and also teach them a few things about playing structured ball against good competition?
I don't understand why the NBA would push to have a rule that a kid can jump into the league at 18. I don't see any upside to it. For every Kobe you're going to get 10 Kwame's
If I'm a college coach - I absolutely want potential NBA players on my team for as long as I get them.
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It's not a big deal. Cal has said for years that he doesn't like the OAD rule, he just uses it to the best of his ability. No story here.
The head of the NBA, who is now trying to follow K's wishes is a Dookie, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting ex-Dookies who are in the media carrying their water. There is a reason we harp on it. But I don't think any of us are pre-occupied with him as you put it.
Power is a strange bedfellow we see it at all levels of society, from the least to the greatest. I believe that K has worked hard to build a great program which he has and just when his turn to become the Dean of coaches and all the accolades that go with it, along comes a rule change that has the top tier talent leaving after one season of college basketball. John Calipari who just a few short years ago was told it can't be done, and not only has he done it he has excelled at it. K meanwhile sees that his grasp on college basketball has slipped from him and Calipari is the go to guy, and he wants that stopped so he uses his leverage to work that way. If he could have had success with it all would have been well, but especially last season he failed miserably at it, and I believe with all my being that there were a lot involved in making sure UNC was gift wrapped that NC and all hands on deck to stop UK and Cal from getting it.So now they are going to change the rules, but you know what either Cal or someone else will capitilize on that too.
In my opinion, the players' push for a straight out of high school rule is influenced by the agents who want earlier access to the best talent.
The players are persuaded using the emotional argument (poor kids shouldn't be denied opportunities), rather than the argument that is in the best financial interest of the current union membership.
Kids should be able to go straight out of HS. And if they go to college, should be able to go anytime they feel able to do so.
Kids shouldn't have to go to school to play basketball if they don't want to and shouldn't have to stay in college any longer than they have to.
The rule is there to benefit the NBA and that is all. They don't care about the poor kid who needs the money.
Go back to the old rule. UK, Duke, and the other elite schools will still get plenty of talent.
Kids shouldn't have to go to school to play basketball if they don't want to and shouldn't have to stay in college any longer than they have to.
The rule is there to benefit the NBA and that is all. They don't care about the poor kid who needs the money.
Go back to the old rule. UK, Duke, and the other elite schools will still get plenty of talent.
1. The amateurism angle has always been a sham. It's never been about education at the elite programs.
2. If the coaches really wanted what's best for the kids, they'd give them the option to be drafted and then decide whether they want to sign with their pro team or go to college. Everyone seems to long for the baseball format, but no one ever mentions that part. You know why? Because
3. It's all about the coaches and what is easiest and best for them. Just like it's always been. It's why they're the ones getting paid. It's why they're the ones who can transfer at any time and not sit out. It's why they're the ones who can do commercials. It's why they're the ones who can break the rules and just go on coaching.
2. If the coaches really wanted what's best for the kids, they'd give them the option to be drafted and then decide whether they want to sign with their pro team or go to college. Everyone seems to long for the baseball format, but no one ever mentions that part. You know why? Because
3. It's all about the coaches and what is easiest and best for them. Just like it's always been. It's why they're the ones getting paid. It's why they're the ones who can transfer at any time and not sit out. It's why they're the ones who can do commercials. It's why they're the ones who can break the rules and just go on coaching.
Uh, harping on it means you are preoccupied. Former Duke players support Krzyzewski in the media just like former UK players support Calipari. UK fans have no reason to be jealous of Krzyzewski. It just looks silly. Our basketball program is better than theirs.
It make no difference. Cal has already gotten the rep as the coach who prepares the kids the best. He will just become the best 2 n done coach
And the players union who is controlled by agents is still the driving force behind one and done and would prefer none and done. So they can get the players making money so they can make money. Truth is if I am a player I would want a better situation look at all the 19 year old talent that will be taking roster spots somebody has to make room for them. So I'd want to keep the kids in college as long as I could.
I love college basketball, which is why I want to see these incredible talents in the game if only for one year.
One of the things I most look forward to is seeing the crop of star freshmen every year. Imagine last year without Lonzo Ball, the Duke freshmen drama, Fox and Monk, etc. That all made for an interesting year.
At the same time, as long as coaches and athletic departments are making millions, I find it unconscionable to make them stay for more than one year.
OAD isn't perfect, but it's the best compromise between what is best for the NBA, best for the college game, and best for the player.
We are never going to go back to the days when the NBA drafted skill over raw talent and players as good as Michael Jordan were staying in college 3 or 4 years.
If you want a preview of what the college game would be like without OAD players, just remember 2013, which had a historically weak freshmen class. Defensive teams dominated that year and the games were almost unwatchable.
In Calipari's own words, "Kentucky eats 1st". The way some people talk, it sounds like they believe Calipari invented OAD. LOL! Truth is that OAD is a result of the NBA owners' contract with the players association. Their rule says a player can't enter the NBA draft until he reaches the threshold age. That's why they play college ball for a year. Because many of the best high school players want to play for Calipari, Calipari is signing a lot of players who get to the NBA as early as possible. But even if the NBA rule changed, many of the best available players would still want to play for Calipari, and Kentucky would still eat 1st.
If you want to do what is best for the player, allow him to go thru the draft before deciding. (Baseball Rule)
Even consider that after every year of college play.
If you are a college coach and can't handle that, just
recruit lesser talent and develop it. Many programs
have been very successful doing just that.
Even consider that after every year of college play.
If you are a college coach and can't handle that, just
recruit lesser talent and develop it. Many programs
have been very successful doing just that.
The NBA rule isn't about what's best for college players, and it never will be. The rules for the NBA draft are stipulated in the agreement between NBA owners and the NBA players' association, so it will always be about what's best for NBA owners and NBA players.
Actually he's been complaining consistently, but what is the point of continuous complaining if nothing is going to change? Someone asked a question, he answered.
Surprisingly they want to give the college/high school players the same chance that they had. Agents are self-serving of course as you would expect. But the rank and file don't want to exclude the younger players by age or year in school.
I was just joking mostly about the not wanting the competition. Gonna be honest though. If you ask a NBA players opinion they probably say straight out of hs or one and done I do not think it's an important enough issue to the average player to hardly think about. Of course Agents are good at getting players fired up. Lol! The players should be on the same page as the league and want an age limit improve the product increase revenue more money for everybody.
The funny thing about that is. In 15 if there was no one and done. Okafor Jones and Winslow most likely go pro right out of HS. They were demed most pro ready number one player at their position. Outside chance Kat and Lyle's do most likely they come to school. Especially Kat who's father wanted him to play for Cal. So Duke probably doesn't even sniff a final four that year if one and done didn't exist.
No, it doesn't. Commenting on one subject does not impact one's ability or proclivity to comment on other subjects. Cracks me up how many people comment on this board about us being obsessed with Duke, or KU, or UNCheat, or UL. We are great multi-taskers if we are obsessed about so many things. Commenting on this also doesn't make us "jealous".
No he hasn't. He is suddenly very vocal and active in campaigning for change and in the ear of his good friend Adam Silver. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that this sudden up-tick in speaking out against OADs came after a disappointing season with what was supposed to be an incredible recruiting class, after one of his star recruits (Jackson) made him look bad by departing unexpectedly and suggesting he was misused, after he ceded some of his recruiting advantage as Olympics coach, and after he missed on a couple of recruits this year because his health (surgery last Spring and this Winter) prevented him from keeping up with Cal.
It's all relative, 5-8 of the top available players will be in Cal's recruiting class until he retires.
Beat that drum, Cat Ballou! Only a Dookie could be deaf to the truth you're playing.
Yeah, I know Cal is a heck of a coach, but it's damn near impossible to win it all with freshmen laden team's, hence the reason no other coaches are jumping into the one and done pool. Self dips a foot in, K dips a toe in, but Cal dives in and has to rebuild every year.
I wish we could retain more players, that's been my complaint so if this new rule actually comes to fruition I'll be a big fan of it because UK will be dominant every year.
It didn't bother him when he was coaching the US teams and having the advantage of coaching kids that he could sign, did he? Plus Cal has said the same thing since year 1 but the Fake News media would never give him any credit.
Yeah those coaches hate final fours, they would rather lose in the first round with experienced teams.
His 2015 title is just as much on returning talent as it is on 1AD... Not to mention a gift-wrapped region.. Kentucky had to play a team in the Elite8 that beat Duke twice..Kind of tells you everything you need to know about how that tournament was setup.
I am still bitter about how that tourney was set up.
The four best teams were UK, Wisconsin, Duke, and Zona. Three of the four were on the same side of the bracket. Funny how Duke was by themselves on the other side. I guess that is the benefit of being the number one overall seed, except they weren't suppose to be the number one overall seed.
Would have loved to see it seeded right. Then Duke plays Wisconsin in the Final Four. UK plays Zona or some surprise team like Michigan St. in the other semifinal. So a Duke team would play a fresh Wisconsin team and have to fight for a spot in the title game. UK has a tough game as well, but wins most likely. UK vs. Duke for an epic title game.
I think that ND win took a lot out of Kentucky. I know they had another week before the Wisconsin match-up.. but that game had a weird feeling. It almost felt like we lost the tournament even though we won that game. I had a bad feeling after.. during the week.. and during the entire Wisconsin game. I went into a sports bar to watch it, and I had this feeling I was going to walk out of there with a Kentucky loss.
If most now OAD's decide to go pro out of high school, that would mean more 2/3/4/year players at UK.Likely, would not be room to add that many each class. If the top 15 hs players by pass college, how many OAD's are left? If you're signing 5, likely 4 and maybe all 5 would return for another year. Even if Cal signs 3/5 of the top 20 that's left, it's likely most would be 3/4 year players........and that is OK (fine)
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