MURRAY outplayed Newman in all the all star events this past year. I would say Malik is top 4 in league. I like MURRAY AND ULLIS over him.
Who is the best point guard in the SEC?
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MURRAY outplayed Newman in all the all star events this past year. I would say Malik is top 4 in league. I like MURRAY AND ULLIS over him.
Dude you are obsessed with Newman. I remember you were furious when we signed Briscoe, the #1 point guard in the class, because you wanted Newman that badly. You openly pleaded for Cal not to sign Briscoe. Newman is overrated and you will see it this year and I'm not saying that cause he's not here. I said it when we were thought to be his leader. Dude is a really good player, but not the generational talent you proclaimed him to be.
I did get curious about the Baldwin vs Ulis argument, and this is what I found:
Baldwin: 28.8 mpg; 9.3 ppg, 4.4 apg, 1.9 turnovers per game. 80% ft; 43% fg; 44% 3pt fg
Ulis: 23.8 mpg; 5.6 ppg; 6.1 apg; 1 turnover per game; 81% ft; 39% fg; 41% 3pt fg.
what stands out to me - for a point guard, btw - are the assists and turnovers
Take from that what you will.
Baldwin: 28.8 mpg; 9.3 ppg, 4.4 apg, 1.9 turnovers per game. 80% ft; 43% fg; 44% 3pt fg
Ulis: 23.8 mpg; 5.6 ppg; 6.1 apg; 1 turnover per game; 81% ft; 39% fg; 41% 3pt fg.
what stands out to me - for a point guard, btw - are the assists and turnovers
Take from that what you will.
Where did you get those assist totals for Ulis? He did not come close to 6 assists per game last year. I think it was more like 3.5 a game or something. I agree on the turnovers and think he will average 6-ish assists a game this year with his minutes up.
that is my fault - I mistyped that - you are correct, it's 3.6 APG
The 6.1 came from the line for per 40 minutes.
Keep in mind that Baldwin got a lot better about 2/3 through the season. It's like the light finally came on for him. WB4 struggled early and even lost his starting job to Sheldon Mitchell for about 8 games.
I expect Baldwin to be an elite pg this year.
"I think it's weird following recruits so closely"
Translation - "we don't get them, so I don't follow them until they suit up for Kentucky."
oh I have no doubt - we were just trading some opinions here and I thought I'd throw some numbers into the mix, just for fun.
About Baldwin - I'll be honest with you;- and please take this as intended, because it will come across as really arrogant - I hadn't heard of his name because he's a 3 star who was not in the top 100. And, that's not the name I remember from playing Vandy last year - (LaChance is the name that stuck in my mind). I actually had to look him up as opposed to some of the names I could immediately put with the teams. That is not to say he cannot develop into an excellent pg, and I hope, for you guys, he does.
I understand about the recruiting rankings thing, he was highly thought of but played on a team with last year's number one draft pick and I think another D1 player. He was a good HS pg, but has really blossomed. He controls the game, can get to the rim, is a great passer and has become a pretty darn good 3 pt shooter to boot. I think he will have a few 10 assist games this year and will be a household name before long.
Another name to keep in mind is Luke Kornet. Wow on this kid, he is a difference maker now in his jr year. He's 7'1 now with an active body and a great 3 pt shooter. Luke may be a lottery pick with Damian Jones this next draft.
thanks for understanding the gist (and for any certain lurkers who don't understand that word, it means the substance or essence of a speech or text) of my comments.
And appreciate the info on both Wade and Kornet - will keep an eye out for them.
So, Vandy's season has been a complete disaster, but I was certainly right about Wade Baldwin IV being the best point guard in the SEC.
Are y'all ready to admit that at this point?
Unfortunately, the rest of the team has either been injured, sitting on the bench fouled out or missing shot...
Brutal year for my Dores so far.
Are y'all ready to admit that at this point?
Unfortunately, the rest of the team has either been injured, sitting on the bench fouled out or missing shot...
Brutal year for my Dores so far.
Ulis: 13.7 ppg 6.1 apg 3.3 rpg
Vandy player: 14.6 ppg 4.1 apg 3.9 rpg
Are you ready to DIAF
Vandy player: 14.6 ppg 4.1 apg 3.9 rpg
Are you ready to DIAF
Absolutely not. His shooting has been better but I would absolutely take Tyler Ulis and his 3.2/1 assist to turnover ratio over Baldwin every game.
Overall I have been surprised at Vandy underperforming. I hope they can turn it around and make a decent March showing.
Yeah, Ulis has owned Baldwin on the court and with the overall record.
Murray's 17 points per game, 4.46 rebounds and 2.53 assists per game are b etter than Baldwin overall as well. If Murray did not have Ulis holding the ball mostly all the time, he'd average more assists than Baldwin for sure.
Oh I'm sorry. Was the question who would be drafted higher? Or who is the best point guard in the SEC? But by this ogic that would be Jamal Murray.
So you think we're all gonna be persuaded by a mock draft that still has Skal listed as a Top 5 pick?
Just because some knuckleheads with an online mock draft might think Baldwin has more future pro potential does not mean he's the better player right now. Sorry if you're too dim to comprehend that.
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I like Freidas. You bring a unique(wrong) perspective to this board.
Fact of the matter is we have two better point guards on our roster
Fact of the matter is we have two better point guards on our roster
Good point guards help you win. Gaudy stats on a team that can't win are meaningless. Vandy is o-fer in conference play and isn't on the bubble. Ulis has similar stats on a team that will be a 2 or 3 seed and a threat to make the final four. How any objective observer would conclude Baldwin is superior is beyond me.
You're right that points and rebounds are a very, very slight lead for Wade (less than 1 per game)
Ulis has a 6.1 assists to 1.9 t/o (a ratio of about 3.2)
Wade has 4.1 assists to 2.9 t/o (a ratio of about 1.4)
What is a point guard's primary job? Distribution, right? Guess who is way better at that?
And your draft status argument is just awful - did you just start following the draft last week? There's 6-7 inches between them. If Ulis was 6'3 as well, their relative draft status wouldn't be a conversation.
Ulis has a usage rate this year of 19.6.
Murray's is 26.9.
Don't think Murray is a victim of Ulis "holding the ball all the time."
Nope, just laughing at y'all twisting arguments around. Before the season I was told that Ulis would be drafted higher, therefore he is better.
Love the UK fans, y'all's passion can't be matched.
it should have never been assumed that Ulis would be drafted higher than anyone. He is too short. Majority of our fans realize that but contrary to your belief draft stock isn't always indicative of the better college player. Baldwin/Ulis is exhibit A on that
No one in this thread said Ulis would be drafted higher. No one.
Further, you were the one who argued that draft status didn't matter. Your concern was who would be the best player this season.
Who's twisting arguments?
I'll say one thing for the OP. After the way the season has gone, it takes some large balls to pull this out of the thread dumpster.
1) How many times has Vandy made it past the sweet 16?
2) What's the furthest they've gone in the ncaa tournament?
