Wheeler vs Other Cal Guards

[kentuckykowboy8]

I’m absolutely loving what Wheeler has been doing so far. Kid is a stud. Such a great distributor and has been a remarkably good shooter. We have had such inconsistent PG play the last few years and it is refreshing to have someone at this caliber again.

I made a quick tier of Cal PG’s. I know it’s early, but what tier do you think Wheeler finishes on? I’d place him beside Harrison on that third tier. Extremely consistent/reliable but maybe not the super-star that can completely take over a game.

Tier 1
Wall, Ulis

Tier 2
Knight, Fox, Gilgeous-Alexander

Tier 3
Harrison

Tier 4
Teague

Tier 6
Hagans

Tier 7
Harrow, Askew

Note: Not including Bledsoe, Briscoe, Murray, Quickley, Mintz because they usually played off-ball

 

[Tubbyfan78]

Tier 1 or 2 at the worst. And Fox is tier 1.

 

[Sparkaces1]

I’m absolutely loving what Wheeler has been doing so far. Kid is a stud. Such a great distributor and has been a remarkably good shooter. We have had such inconsistent PG play the last few years and it is refreshing to have someone at this caliber again.

I made a quick tier of Cal PG’s. I know it’s early, but what tier do you think Wheeler finishes on? I’d place him beside Harrison on that third tier. Extremely consistent/reliable but maybe not the super-star that can completely take over a game.

Tier 1
Wall, Ulis

Tier 2
Knight, Fox, Gilgeous-Alexander

Tier 3
Harrison

Tier 4
Teague

Tier 6
Hagans

Tier 7
Harrow, Askew

Note: Not including Bledsoe, Briscoe, Murray, Quickley, Mintz because they usually played off-ball

Good list, I think I gotta go Knight on Tier 1 though. Wheeler would be in that 3/4 range.

 

[GuyFromKY]

Fox is definitely Tier 1, Teague won a championship and would place him Tier 3. Wheeler will be a solid Tier 3 guy with Tier 2 potential if he can clean up the turnovers and poor shot selection at times.

 

[IL Wildcat]

I’m absolutely loving what Wheeler has been doing so far. Kid is a stud. Such a great distributor and has been a remarkably good shooter. We have had such inconsistent PG play the last few years and it is refreshing to have someone at this caliber again.

I made a quick tier of Cal PG’s. I know it’s early, but what tier do you think Wheeler finishes on? I’d place him beside Harrison on that third tier. Extremely consistent/reliable but maybe not the super-star that can completely take over a game.

Tier 1
Wall, Ulis

Tier 2
Knight, Fox, Gilgeous-Alexander

Tier 3
Harrison

Tier 4
Teague

Tier 6
Hagans

Tier 7
Harrow, Askew

Note: Not including Bledsoe, Briscoe, Murray, Quickley, Mintz because they usually played off-ball

I don't know if I fully agree with where you've placed the guys, but I'll go with it. The thing with Wheeler is his speed and quickness. I heard him say he runs a 4.3 40, which explains some of what we're seeing with his getting down the floor so fast- but how long does it take for him to get to his max speed? His quickness is also elite. He may not have the finishing and high flying ability of Wall or Fox, but his speed is elite and it is hard to quantify that. His assist numbers are also hard to deny. I would put him right there with Ulis based on what I've seen, though I don't know if Ulis belongs on tier 1. I would put both on tier 2. If he keeps shooting the ball well enough to keep defenses honest from 3, he may finish as one of our best.

 

[STL_Cat]

I'd move Fox up to one, Wheeler probably somewhere between Harrison and SGA.

 

[STL_Cat]

I doubt Wheeler runs a 4.3 40, but he is quicker'na hiccup with the ball in his hands

 

[IL Wildcat]

I doubt Wheeler runs a 4.3 40, but he is quicker'na hiccup with the ball in his hands

He just said it in his postgame interview Tuesday night. I caught it. He said, "I can run about a 4.3 40" as he was answering a question about his speed and quickness. I wouldn't doubt that's true. I was watching the team doing full court sprints on that pro day and I was amazed. At first I thought the other guys were loafing, but that wasn't it. His first 2 or 3 steps, he was a full stride ahead of the rest of the team and he kept accelerating from there and would shut it down about 2/3 of the way down the floor and still won every sprint.

 

[STL_Cat]

He just said it in his postgame interview Tuesday night. I caught it. He said, "I can run about a 4.3 40" as he was answering a question about his speed and quickness. I wouldn't doubt that's true. I was watching the team doing full court sprints on that pro day and I was amazed. At first I thought the other guys were loafing, but that wasn't it. His first 2 or 3 steps, he was a full stride ahead of the rest of the team and he kept accelerating from there and would shut it down about 2/3 of the way down the floor and still won every sprint.

That's crazy. He doesn't look like a 4.3 40 guy.

 

[kentuckykowboy8]

Honestly, I probably should have given Fox and Knight their own tier and put Gilgeious-Alexander on his own tier.

 

[kentuckykowboy8]

Teague is one I really had trouble placing. I could see him and Harrison being in the same tier. I know we all hate on Andrew for the last few minutes of the Wisc game, but dude really was solid.

 

[STL_Cat]

Teague is one I really had trouble placing. I could see him and Harrison being in the same tier. I know we all hate on Andrew for the last few minutes of the Wisc game, but dude really was solid.

meh ... we don't all hate on Andrew. I can't name another PG in our history who was starting PG for a team that went to the Final Four in his freshman and sophomore years.

 

[jgraf_1]

to me if you stick with those 7 tiers i would have soemthing similar. i'm a bit more positive on hagans than most so i understand he will be an outlier

1: wall, ulis, fox
2: SGA, knight,

wheeler between 2 and 3...hopefully he moves up

3: harrison, teague
4: hagans
5:
6:
7: those other 2

 

[Padsfs07]

My list, reducing the tiers:

Tier 1
Wall, Ulis (Soph), Knight, Fox
(All 4 could make a claim as the best PG in the country, Fox was better than Lonzo and Knight was right there with Kemba Walker)

Tier 2
Gilgeous-Alexander, Harrison (both years), Teague

Tier 3
Hagans (Soph)

Tier 4
Hagans (Fresh), Ulis (Fresh)

Tier 5
Harrow, Askew

I think Wheeler is a Tier 3 guy, but can move up to 2.

 

[H00SIER-Cat]

I would put Harrison as a 1. Starting PG on 2 final four teams.
The 2015 team will be forever tainted as soft or losers or under achievers for some of BBN.
But not me. That season was a really fun ride.

 

[chroix]

My list, reducing the tiers:

Tier 1
Wall, Ulis (Soph), Knight, Fox
(All 4 could make a claim as the best PG in the country, Fox was better than Lonzo and Knight was right there with Kemba Walker)

Tier 2
Gilgeous-Alexander, Harrison (both years), Teague

Tier 3
Hagans (Soph)

Tier 4
Hagans (Fresh), Ulis (Fresh)

Tier 5
Harrow, Askew

I think Wheeler is a Tier 3 guy, but can move up to 2.

This one seems most accurate to me.

 

[UK90]

I’m absolutely loving what Wheeler has been doing so far. Kid is a stud. Such a great distributor and has been a remarkably good shooter. We have had such inconsistent PG play the last few years and it is refreshing to have someone at this caliber again.

I made a quick tier of Cal PG’s. I know it’s early, but what tier do you think Wheeler finishes on? I’d place him beside Harrison on that third tier. Extremely consistent/reliable but maybe not the super-star that can completely take over a game.

Tier 1
Wall, Ulis

Tier 2
Knight, Fox, Gilgeous-Alexander

Tier 3
Harrison

Tier 4
Teague

Tier 6
Hagans

Tier 7
Harrow, Askew

Note: Not including Bledsoe, Briscoe, Murray, Quickley, Mintz because they usually played off-ball

Teague doesn’t get fair treatment in these things. He was far better than many of our fans give him credit for. He was an absolute bulldog on defense and ran the offense the way it’s supposed to be run.

I just wish he’d hung around for another year to work on that outside shot. Teague instead of Harrow would’ve made a world of difference in 2013.

 

[Sparkaces1]

I would put Harrison as a 1. Starting PG on 2 final four teams.
The 2015 team will be forever tainted as soft or losers or under achievers for some of BBN.
But not me. That season was a really fun ride.

Do you know how many PG's could have taken those two teams to the FF lol. I mean if you are gonna put him at Tier 1 why not put Teague at Tier 1 for winning the title.

 

[stoneycat_20]

I’m absolutely loving what Wheeler has been doing so far. Kid is a stud. Such a great distributor and has been a remarkably good shooter. We have had such inconsistent PG play the last few years and it is refreshing to have someone at this caliber again.

I made a quick tier of Cal PG’s. I know it’s early, but what tier do you think Wheeler finishes on? I’d place him beside Harrison on that third tier. Extremely consistent/reliable but maybe not the super-star that can completely take over a game.

Tier 1
Wall, Ulis

Tier 2
Knight, Fox, Gilgeous-Alexander

Tier 3
Harrison

Tier 4
Teague

Tier 6
Hagans

Tier 7
Harrow, Askew

Note: Not including Bledsoe, Briscoe, Murray, Quickley, Mintz because they usually played off-ball

Fox and Knight should be top tier..need to see more of Wheeler

 

[kentuckykowboy8]

If you put Teague on the Noel team, they aren’t going to the NIT. Really wish he had come back.

Teague doesn’t get fair treatment in these things. He was far better than many of our fans give him credit for. He was an absolute bulldog on defense and ran the offense the way it’s supposed to be run.

I just wish he’d hung around for another year to work on that outside shot. Teague instead of Harrow would’ve made a world of difference in 2013.

 

[Princecal]

He just said it in his postgame interview Tuesday night. I caught it. He said, "I can run about a 4.3 40" as he was answering a question about his speed and quickness. I wouldn't doubt that's true. I was watching the team doing full court sprints on that pro day and I was amazed. At first I thought the other guys were loafing, but that wasn't it. His first 2 or 3 steps, he was a full stride ahead of the rest of the team and he kept accelerating from there and would shut it down about 2/3 of the way down the floor and still won every sprint.

I tripped running my 40 in hs and got a 4.5, we had 2 players run a 4.3. I believe him, looks insanely fast

 

[Sparkaces1]

I tripped running my 40 in hs and got a 4.5, we had 2 players run a 4.3. I believe him, looks insanely fast

Damn man, was Deion on your team. Crowdus is prob UK's fastest player and he runs a 4.4. No way Wheeler is that fast.

 

[H00SIER-Cat]

Do you know how many PG's could have taken those two teams to the FF lol. I mean if you are gonna put him at Tier 1 why not put Teague at Tier 1 for winning the title.

The 2015 team yes.

I love Teague, too. And I'm sure the 2014 team would have won more games with him

How far would Teague have taken the 2013 team had he stayed another year? That is what I would like to know.

Edit: someone already made these points

 

[Jamal Sunburn]

I’m absolutely loving what Wheeler has been doing so far. Kid is a stud. Such a great distributor and has been a remarkably good shooter. We have had such inconsistent PG play the last few years and it is refreshing to have someone at this caliber again.

I made a quick tier of Cal PG’s. I know it’s early, but what tier do you think Wheeler finishes on? I’d place him beside Harrison on that third tier. Extremely consistent/reliable but maybe not the super-star that can completely take over a game.

Tier 1
Wall, Ulis

Tier 2
Knight, Fox, Gilgeous-Alexander

Tier 3
Harrison

Tier 4
Teague

Tier 6
Hagans

Tier 7
Harrow, Askew

Note: Not including Bledsoe, Briscoe, Murray, Quickley, Mintz because they usually played off-ball

Y’all love Tyler so much to the point where you guys make me think if I watched the 2 years he played,

He wasn’t better than Knight or Fox or Andrew.

 

[Padsfs07]

If you put Teague on the Noel team, they aren’t going to the NIT. Really wish he had come back.

If you put Noel on the Noel team for the whole year, they wouldn't have ended up in the NIT.

Soph Teague would've been fantastic I'm sure, but if you had put freshman year Teague, with his early struggles, on that team, I don't think they would've been much better. Mays would've been the odd man out in that case (came to UK after Teague declared) and I don't see a freshman Teague changing things that much. That team didn't fit well together with Wiltjer's poor defense, Poythress fading away from stardom, and generally poor shot selection.

 

[STL_Cat]

Teague was up and down for a lot of his freshman season (as many freshmen are), but he came up huge in the NCAA Tournament. I was at the UK-Iowa State game in Louisville and he was the best player on the court that day. Not to mention he came up huge in the NCAA championship game, played under control and made some huge shots in critical moments. That's a thing that you just can't see coming but gotta give credit where it's due after it happens. Teague was a big part of that championship team.

 

[UK90]

Damn man, was Deion on your team. Crowdus is prob UK's fastest player and he runs a 4.4. No way Wheeler is that fast.

Never trust 40 times done on a hometown track. They tend to be the recipient of generous stopwatches (ever notice how routinely players can’t reproduce the numbers at the NFL and NBA combines that they allegedly did back at school).

And I’m definitely calling bullshit on that poster’s claims. He “tripped“ and still ran a 4.5 …yeah right.

 

[kentuckykowboy8]

Yes he was. Dude was a consensus first team All-American, SEC POY and SEC Def POY. Freshman Ulis wasn’t special. Soph Ulis is one of the best ever.

Y’all love Tyler so much to the point where you guys make me think if I watched the 2 years he played,

He wasn’t better than Knight or Fox or Andrew.

 

[STL_Cat]

4.3 40 is dead ass FLYING. Like the fastest of the fast run 4.3 40s. I'd be willing to bet if you looked at NFL combine numbers 10% or less of those guys run 4.3 40s. This dude had 2 that he played high school ball with. Dayum, son!

 

[UK90]

I tripped running my 40 in hs and got a 4.5, we had 2 players run a 4.3.

This is one of the most obviously-bullshit sentences ever written on this board.

 

[EliteBlue]

Damn man, was Deion on your team. Crowdus is prob UK's fastest player and he runs a 4.4. No way Wheeler is that fast.

Hand time is wildly inaccurate. Tons of HS kids thinnk they run a 4.4 when its really a 4.6ish.

 

[UK90]

4.3 40 is dead ass FLYING. Like the fastest of the fast run 4.3 40s. I'd be willing to bet if you looked at NFL combine numbers 10% or less of those guys run 4.3 40s. This dude had 2 that he played high school ball with. Dayum, son!

There’s only a few players in the history of the NFL combine that’ve broken the 4.3 barrier. So that poster wants us to believe his HS team had two guys on par with the fastest players in NFL history and he’d be there too if only he hadn’t “tripped.” LOL.

https://www.nfl.com/photos/top-11-fastest-40-yard-dash-runs-0ap3000000917865

 

[HagginHall1999]

JMO. I think Wheeler is playing tier 1 right now. Of course the season is very young but hard to argue with his numbers as of 11/18/21.

Tier 1
Wall, Ulis, Fox

Tier 2
Gilgeous-Alexander, Knight

Tier 3
Harrison, Teague

Tier 4
Hagans

Tier 5
Harrow, Askew

 

[Princecal]

Damn man, was Deion on your team. Crowdus is prob UK's fastest player and he runs a 4.4. No way Wheeler is that fast.

Just going by what coach said. And there's a difference at running a 4.3 at football weight and at a 5'8 lesser weight. One went on to run track in college the other played D2 for his speed. Size wasn't there.

 

[Princecal]

Never trust 40 times done on a hometown track. They tend to be the recipient of generous stopwatches (ever notice how routinely players can’t reproduce the numbers at the NFL and NBA combines that they allegedly did back at school).

And I’m definitely calling bullshit on that poster’s claims. He “tripped“ and still ran a 4.5 …yeah right.

The trip might have helped my 40 time. Idk what part of my body he counted as making it. I tripped AT THE END. Might have shaved a couple points for me. Only time I ran one but I was pretty fast in high school. Not elite at all but fast. Dad ran track while serving this country. R.I.P to him, just missed his second veterans day and would only be 51 right now

 

[Princecal]

This is one of the most obviously-bullshit sentences ever written on this board.

I hated that coach and he might have been full of you know what. I'll never know.

 

[Princecal]

Hand time is wildly inaccurate. Tons of HS kids thinnk they run a 4.4 when its really a 4.6ish.

Yeah it wasn't professionally done. And like I said my trip could've helped with where I tripped lol. Never thought my number would be that good just what he said and I was anything but his favorite. One of the 2 was a favorite though and probably got that benefit. The other went on to do really well in track

 

[Princecal]

There’s only a few players in the history of the NFL combine that’ve broken the 4.3 barrier. So that poster wants us to believe his HS had two guys on par with the fastest players in NFL history and he’d be there too if only he hadn’t “tripped.” LOL.

https://www.nfl.com/photos/top-11-fastest-40-yard-dash-runs-0ap3000000917865

Football players hitting 4.3s at 240 pounds is ridiculous and not apples to apples. Getting that much weight to go that fast is the epitome of athletic specimens.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

JMO. I think Wheeler is playing tier 1 right now. Of course the season is very young but hard to argue with his numbers as of 11/18/21.

Tier 1
Wall, Ulis, Fox

Tier 2
Gilgeous-Alexander, Knight

Tier 3
Harrison, Teague

Tier 4
Hagans

Tier 5
Harrow, Askew

Agree. I think you can out Grady and Oscar in that category too.

One of the things that made those stud freshman so memorable was their potential and wow factor. These three guys don't have alot of wow factor except on the stat sheet. They won't be going on the be NBA stars, but their production at UK is absolutely top tier.

 

[podgejeff_]

Honestly, Tier 1 and Tier 2 all look about even to me.