What's the Biggest Brawl in UK Basketball History?

[docholiday51]

Not Perry but there was a picture of Stamper and Van Bredakoff on the front page.

That's the way I remember it

 

[crawfords corner]

Kenny Payne and Louisville(South Carolina) were in a big one back in the mid-late 80s

 

[anon_q409idbs5m40a]

That's the way I remember it

Was that the year that Vandy had Fosnes, Feher and Ford, the F Troop?

 

[docholiday51]

Was that the year that Vandy had Fosnes, Feher and Ford, the F Troop?

Off the top of my head I think they came after Perry Wallace.......at my age you have forced me to think way too early.....not enough coffee yet.......now I've got a headache

After further review(check computer) Wallace came to Vandy in '66 the F troop in 72.

 

[wildcatglenn]

I believe this cost us that game

 

[anon_q409idbs5m40a]

Off the top of my head I think they came after Perry Wallace.......at my age you have forced me to think way too early.....not enough coffee yet.......now I've got a headache

After further review(check computer) Wallace came to Vandy in '66 the F troop in 72.

Vandy had a great team in 1973-74 but flamed out in the NCAA, losing to Marquette in the Mideast Regionals. Maybe a BC powder would help this morning, lol.

 

[anon_q409idbs5m40a]

I believe this cost us that game

Sure wasn't the same after that incident.

 

[JPScott]

Odd I can't remember that fight. Of course, I can remember the '92 Tournament run well. I have a vague memory that Sean Woods got tossed from his senior night game for throwing a punch at a Tennessee player, but I don't think the punch connected.

This was a game on 7-MAR-1992 between Sean Woods and Jay Price who were both ejected. Below is a article about it with interesting photo of the two of them watching the game together from the press room.

 

[JPScott]

My dad told a story of Allen Feldhaus running a UT player completely off the floor one time. He was Rupp’s enforcer. Does anyone remember the details of this?

This one was related to a fight between Cotton Nash and UT's Sid Elliott on 15-JAN-1962. Below are some excerpts about it.

 

[JPScott]

Didn't Charles Hurt and Barkley have a ruckus?

This was early in the game where Barkley was ejected by Paul Galvan for a flagrant foul. The date was 12-FEB-1983.

 

[JPScott]

Not Perry but there was a picture of Stamper and Van Bredakoff on the front page.

Yes, the game where Stamper was ejected for hitting Van Breda Kolff was 24-JAN-1972. Here's some background on that (but not much):

FYI, I searched but did not find any mention of a fight during the Austin Peay game (15-MAR-1973) between Stamper and Percy Howard or anyone else.

And as mentioned Stamper and Vanderbilt's Perry Wallace obviously never fought in a UK game because they never played each other in a UK game.

Neither did I find any mention of a fight betwen Marquette's Bob Lackey and Stamper. The closest I could find was the following account of Marquette's Larry McNeill taking a swing at Stamper. This was in the NCAA tournament on 16-MAR-1972.

 

[JPScott]

Gimel Martinez abused Robert Horry.

Robert Horry had an issue with Martinez and let him get into his head which caused him to pick up a number of technicals in multiple game, but the noteworthy fight was between Horry and Reggie Hanson.

 

[KopiKat]

This was early in the game where Barkley was ejected by Paul Galvan for a flagrant foul. The date was 12-FEB-1983.

272 lbs. that was a lot to look at on the tape delays back then.

 

[JPScott]

Winston Bennett got into a couple of fights

This is one I could find between Bennett and Kansas on 10-DEC-1983:

 

[Darkcide]

Remember Charles Hurt and Charles Barkley getting into it when we played Auburn. That's back when Auburn was really good, and they both got thrown out of the game. Once Barkley was gone, Auburn had no answer for our superiority.

 

[JPScott]

When Loserville's James Brewer flipped Sean Woods over his shoulder.

Here's the newspaper clipping on that from a game on 28-DEC-1991:

 

[JPScott]

For you old timers like me, I remember a near-fight between Charles Hurt and Sean Tuohy of Ole Miss. Maybe 1980'ish? Somehow Tuohy got knocked down or fell down or something, and Hurt, being the gentleman that he was, tried to pick him up and set him back on his feet. Tuohy took exception and took a few wild but harmless swings. Fortunately for Tuohy, Hurt kinda backed off and put his arms out wide like, WTF? He would've kicked Tuohy's **** in if he got angry.

FYI, I searched pretty extensively and did find mention of this incident, either between Tuohy and Hurt or Tuohy and Minniefield. Again, doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that I wasn't able to find the details on it.

FYI, the first thing I check to try to locate these types of things is to see what games the player played and check if any technicals were called. Tuohy played a total of 11 games vs. UK and only 3 of those were technicals called. The first was 28-FEB-1979 where Lavon Williams and Mississippi coach Bob Weltlich were called for techs. The second was 9-JAN-1980 where Weltlich was called for a tech and the third was 6-FEB-1980 where UK's Coach Hall was called for a tech.

So if anyone has any additional details which can better determine the game let me know and I'll search again.

 

[JPScott]

One set of altercations which wasn't mentioned was the incidents between Tom Payne and Tennessee's Jim Woodall. Initially there was an altercation in Knoxville (on 16-JAN-1971) when Payne flipped Woodall onto the floor and was called for a flagrant foul but not ejected.

The return game in Lexington (6-MAR-1971) Payne fought Woodall again and was ejected near the end of the game.

 

[docholiday51]

Yes, the game where Stamper was ejected for hitting Van Breda Kolff was 24-JAN-1972. Here's some background on that (but not much):

FYI, I searched by did not find any mention of a fight during the Austin Peay game (15-MAR-1973) between Stamper and Percy Howard or anyone else.

And as mentioned Stamper and Vanderbilt's Perry Wallace obviously never fought in a UK game because they never played each other in a UK game.

Neither did I find any mention of a fight betwen Marquette's Bob Lackey and Stamper. The closest I could find was the following account of Marquette's Larry McNeill taking a swing at Stamper. This was in the NCAA tournament on 16-MAR-1972.

I looked up the recap of the 3-15-73 game and found no mention of the "fight" either, but I sat there and saw it happen and heard Cawood call it.I will try to look a bit more to see if I find anything. The Box score shows Stamper played 13 minutes and had 0 personal fouls(I don't think T's were counted as personal fouls in those days.

 

[meteordealer]

I remember Cousins and the boys getting into it with UL several times.

 

[CGblue]

Robert Horry had an issue with Martinez and let him get into his head which caused him to pick up a number of technicals in multiple game, but the noteworthy fight was between Horry and Reggie Hanson.
Noteworthy for you. But memorable for me was Gimel taking no crap from Horry.

 

[CastleRubric]

Didn't Charles Hurt and Barkley have a ruckus?

Dang
That would have been brutal

Can't remember any actual serious fights

 

[bnewt]

The Stamper KO of Vandy's player was before my time. I've read a few stories on here about Stamper. Someone posted a hilarious story about listening to Cawood give the play by play of Stamper getting in a fight. Wish I could have seen Stamper play. He sounds like an old school enforcer.

Not too many games on TV, had to listen to cawood describe it on the radio

 

[ukcatz12]

Always wild to me how you guys dig up five year old threads like this. How the hell do you even find something this old?

 

[BlueEmpire]

That's some good stuff Jon. Loved reading the article.

The historians always said Harry Lancaster was a tough SOB

 

[nickhorvathsuxazz]

The biggest fight I can remember in UK Basketball History is when Riddick choked Rasheed Wallace from UNCheats in the '95 Tournament. Riddick was responding to a brutal elbow to the jaw thrown by Wallace. I don't think anyone on either team left the bench and the fight got broken up quickly, but the refs somehow mistook Walter McCarty for Riddick and gave Walter the technical. It was an odd start to a disappointing game, but I think it lit the fire that helped propel us to the '96 title. Are there any bigger brawls in UK Basketball History that I can't remember?

The technical they "mistakenly" laid on Walter sent him to the bench, if memory serves, when he was playing well and presenting matchup problems for the heels. Turning point in the game...

 

[nickhorvathsuxazz]

Very skeptical that honest officials could go to the monitor and come away assessing #40 w/ the T.

Do enjoy seeing Andre put the fear of God into pseudo-psycho rasheed

 

[nickhorvathsuxazz]

It didn't come to blows but would have loved to have seen the 2 fight it out but does anyone remember when Mashburn stood up to Shaq? Wasnt Mashburns dad a former Boxer?

Yeah, but Shaq's dad was a former marine, and he outweighed Mash by @ 50 lbs, so it probably was a wash?

 

[nickhorvathsuxazz]

I remember Richie Farmer laying out Shaq back in the early 90s.

Reminds me of an old Flip Wilson joke about fighting midgets:

Ain't as easy as it sounds...had a buddy that got in a fight w/ a midget; damn midget bit him! And you know they ain't no taller than this (hand held at waist level)

 

[nickhorvathsuxazz]

Larry Stamper knocked Perry Wallace cold with one punch, I was watching the game. It was not in the tournament, it was in the regular season. Stamper got into a fight with Bob Lackey who was marquette's best player and got him kicked out of the game. That was in the 1972 ncaa tournament. I was watching that game too. That was the same game when All McGuire tried to get into it with coach Rupp, and Stamper stepped in the middle of that too. Larry Stamper was a bad man, wasn't a very good player, but he was a bad man. That Austin Peay game was the next year 1973, When Austin Peay had Fly Williams.

Giving birth to the greatest NCAA chant/cheer, ever across all sports: "The Fly's open! Let's go Peay!"

 

[nickhorvathsuxazz]

I always love this picture of Joe B holding Nance back.

Like calling off your pitt bull..."Easy boy; down now"

 

[nickhorvathsuxazz]

This one was related to a fight between Cotton Nash and UT's Sid Elliott on 15-JAN-1962. Below are some excerpts about it.

Love reading about Feldhaus coming off the bench and chasing Elliott to Tenn's bench, trying to retaliate for Nash

 

[YardCat]

Stamper, who brought his meanness and toughness with him from Beattyville, unveiled a lightning, short-range right against Vandy on January 24, 1972, at Lexington when he suddenly decked Vandy guard Jan Van Breda Kolff. “Got tired of him pushing me around,” explained the quick-tempered mountaineer

 

[Slowwalker]

I always assumed it was Perry Stevenson and a foul shot that would be the majority answer. He seemed intent of hitting that thing before it was even in the air.