Can’t disagree with the Marrow assessment. He goes into Ohio and gets some Ohio St. rejects and calls it a Yahtzee.
And our tight ends don’t exactly set the world on fire when blocking.
What Would you Say Is The Bedrock Problem With Our Program?
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And our tight ends don’t exactly set the world on fire when blocking.
I'd say the bedrock problem is a President that only has one standard....no scandals. Capiluto continues to accept mediocrity from Barnhart and Mitch simply lacks the stones to demand better from his programs coaches . As long as Capiluto and Barnhart have low standards..... we will never have high performing programs .
Playing to defer the opening kick on the least likely premise that you will have a lead at halftime and score on the opening drive of the second half. Playing so slow milking the clock because you have zero confidence in your offense and everybody can see it. Trying to control the chain of events in a game to the point you become as predictable as the sun coming up every morning. Failure to adapt your approach to a game to the strengths of your team. Constantly mismanaging the game, game in and game out. Wasting timeouts, stupid penalties showing a lack of discipline, never disciplining players for their constant mistakes. Not practicing them til they puke to make sure they can get it right. Repetition after repetition after repetition until it’s done right, I could go on all night. This team needs a strong disciplinarian not a drinking buddy. Jerry Claiborne would never allow what has gone on with this team to continue. He’d boot out the whiners and replace them with a kid that may be undersized but gives 110% when he hits the field. This team quite frankly is about half full of pussys. They don’t wanna work, all they do is whine and complain and point fingers.
It all starts and stops with Stoops.
This year UK bet the "horse farm" on Devin Leary and he has been, to be kind, mediocre at best.
Coach Stoops has had a very nice run but I do believe it is in UK's best interest, to part ways.
Coach Stoops has had a very nice run but I do believe it is in UK's best interest, to part ways.
The problem with this is,Brown transfers and in the next stop the coach will get him to develop that and he will be a star.
Everybody so many times thinks talent. But IMO when you have Brown,Key, Dingle, Davis and you can barely put 20 points on the score board,it's coaching.. It's not talent
Best coach in my lifetime was Brooks. We need another HC that takes no BS and will also adapt to the talent available,then get the best out of them.
Haven’t read through all the posts in here yet. I know Stoops has elevated the program as a whole and we have invested in it. Not sure what more people want from that standpoint. NIL resources are directly proportional to the overall fan and booster support, that money can’t come from the university.
My biggest problem these days isn’t schemes or talent or whatever. It’s execution, execution, execution and discipline. The problems of drive killing penalties, not being able to get off the field on third down, poor clock management at the end of halves, not developing a backup QB, things like that have plagued us multiple seasons. They’re almost predictable from that standpoint. Those are the things that cost us games we should win and cause great seasons to become not so great.
My biggest problem these days isn’t schemes or talent or whatever. It’s execution, execution, execution and discipline. The problems of drive killing penalties, not being able to get off the field on third down, poor clock management at the end of halves, not developing a backup QB, things like that have plagued us multiple seasons. They’re almost predictable from that standpoint. Those are the things that cost us games we should win and cause great seasons to become not so great.
Playing 80s big ten football where you expect to win with scores of 7 to 3. We're basically low rent Iowa. Maybe he'd have a consistent hover around the top 25 team if he was in the big 10 and in their one garbage division, the way they exist today before expansion. Not happening in the SEC regardless of division.
No discipline
No discipline
North Dakota State would beat Kentucky at least 5 times out of the last
I’m not saying he isn’t talented. I’m saying he isn’t as good as he thinks he is or as good as the attention the offensive system give him.
Exactly. How can you expect a team that is heavily outrecruited to even be competitive with teams like UGA on "consistent" basis. We are competitive every now and then, bit we cannot sustain that without better recruiting.
North Dakota st is 4th in the Missouri valley. Get out of here with that shit.
No championship expectations. I’ll never forget I was at a tailgate in 2004 and one guy asked me what I thought was the issue with UK football. I asked him what annual outcome he would be happy with and he said at least 6 wins a bowl game. I asked him what expectations he had for the basketball team and he said final four and national champs. I told him he was part of the problem and that mediocrity standards would perpetually depress UK football. Of course, he scoffed and changed the subject but the point was made. Fast forward to 2012 where Vanderbilt won 40-0 with about 10,000 in attendance. That got their attention.
I appreciate what Stoops has done here but NIL and the TP have raised the plateau for UK yet again. Ever read Bagmen of the SEC? If not, look it up. Yes, coaching issues are present and command criticism but the SEC brass have been playing with a loaded deck for years while we have not.
Not sure if we’ll ever be able to recruit well enough to be a top echelon team in the conference. The only way to compete when you can’t consistently line up head to head with the big boys is to develop a system that offensively gives you a shot to move the ball; defensively, you just have to find a way to be more aggressive and disguise it even if you do get burned now and then. We don’t have and will never have the dogs to line up and okay consistently with most SEC teams and impose our will in them.
He's not a leader, either. Never seems firey like Will was. Our guys would run through a brick wall for him.
Crap tradition, small stadium, a home state that produces very little SEC talent, lack of donors willing to compete against the big money donors of the SEC, and going up against some very questionable officiating year after year in league play.
So the only UK coach with a winning record since the 50's is the entire problem? You probably felt really clever about your one word slam. Coaching would be a transient issue as opposed to a bedrock issue anyway.
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I don’t disagree that much - maybe UK can sign Top 17-23 classes most years - but I think I the rest is kinda the point I’ve been trying to make the last month in these parts. Can’t win nine plus games in the SECE most years with the current level of recruiting.
That's not true. Not denying Kentucky doesn't produce a ton of talent, but We produce some. States like Missouri, Iowa, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Nebraska, even in their heyday, Oregon, and several others don't produce any more than Kentucky, yet have managed to field some historically great programs. We produce more than North Dakota, but I'm also assuming you were being a bit sarcastic in that comment.
Here's a good breakdown of where recruits come from. There are talent deserts in this country. Saying we suck because the state doesn't produce enough talent is a copout.
https://www.bannersociety.com/2019/8/14/20747379/college-football-players-map-where-from
Not clever. Just frustrated with the miserable play against miserable opponents.
Plus Stoops is significantly under .500 in the $EC...on pace to never win the East, as his best showing after a decade here has been 3 losses.
I'm plenty frustrated with a lot of it this season as well but to act like Stoops is the main thing holding the program back is where we are in extreme disagreement. For the record we have only lost to one poor team.
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Yes it’s Coaching - Stoops handles media well recruits pretty darn good but just Coaches to cautious to be at a school that doesn’t have 5 Stars
He won’t let the offense play tempo - nor will he let the defense play man and try anything we can to get pressure on the QB
We play so slow we have no chance to erase deficits
He won’t let the offense play tempo - nor will he let the defense play man and try anything we can to get pressure on the QB
We play so slow we have no chance to erase deficits
I swear a lot of you really deserve another Bill Curry.
I see this same post from several people. Nothing about this team is conservative. Actually a more conservative approach would've netted us at least one more win, maybe two
Still need someone to tell me how a school like Kentucky will ever be able to recruit at the level of schools like UGA, Bama, Ohio State, Texas, aTm, Michigan, etc. Where will the NIL money magically come from? Who's the Coach that's going to sell multiple 5 start guys every year on coming to Kentucky? What's that sell? Can recruiting improve some? yeah, I'm sure it can, but there is just a hierarchy in College football that will always be tough to breach for anyone not named those schools I mentioned. Literally nobody in the SEC has been able to compete with UGA in the past three years outside of Bama. We aren't alone in that.
What we have to do is find the ways to develop the players we are able to get. Always work to improve recruiting, but never press so hard after players pre-destined to go to a traditional power that you miss out on great underlooked talent. After that South Carolina game my impressions on how this team is coached really changed. We were at a point where there was still a lot to play for. 8 wins potentially and a pretty decent bowl game, but somehow this staff was unable to motivate this team to play like they still had something to achieve. This team has basically quit. They will get thumped Saturday at Louisville. I hope I'm wrong and they find some way to motivate them to play out of their minds, but I'm not counting on it. Then we will sleepwalk through a Liberty Bowl against some Group of Five team to just be done with the season. Again, I hope I'm wrong.
I'm not advocating for any kind of coaching change. More staff adjustment needs to be made, but I hope some soul searching and some epiphanies by Stoops in regards to what's plaguing the team year in and year out allows him to evaluate how he approaches preparation, motivation and in game situations. Something needs to be done in that regard.
Why... I damn sure don't. I lived thru those days and the JP days as a season ticket holder. This problem begins and ends with this HC and his refusal to change his offensive Philosophy!!! Nick Saban AND his brother Bob did. Are you going to tell me he is a better coach than either of them?
Coen is 100% in control of the offense. Why is the offense stoops fault?
The vast majority of fans will do anything to avoid criticism of coen. Why?
They were not coaching Kentucky for one thing. I'm sure Mark would be more than happy to sling it around with the talent they had at their disposal. I can see where the effort is being made. A combination of Qb play, receiver drops, and pass protection issues made it so inefficient we'd have been better off running more with this bunch. I will admit the running the play clock all the way down so often does irritate me as bad as it does the rest of you. It definitely gives the defense a jump when they know when you must snap it.
3 losses, which represents our best showing since '84. We have not won a share of the SEC since the 6 game schedule days in '77 (which put us on probation). That was our first since Bear Bryant. Seems more likely Ky is the issue than dumping it all on Stoops.
The motto in the real SEC is if you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying. Until UK wants to win at a high level from the President , AD, and administration nothing will change. What do they say about the SEC,It just means more. Well it means more to some schools than others and UK is not one of them.
Lighten up. I never mentioned one name nor did I use the word poor. And yes, I am very disappointed and frustrated with our performance the last half of this year. I would like to see us regularly have a winning record against the SEC. Unlike you, I am not satisfied with just a winning record against OOC opponents. GO CATS!!
I do think a disciplined intensity is lacking in the last two teams especially and we have to get that back. Someone asked my why Saban has been so successful and its not because he knows more football than 100 others just like him, its is demand of discipline, attention to detail and a standard of performance that got him where he is and once he got there he started getting better players than everybody else but he maintained all of those three things even with those players. You just dont see Bama players jacking around or mouthing off out there. Belichik did it the same way.
I don't believe the problems we've had are singular, and they are not limited to any single aspect of the program. Stoops is ultimately responsible as the head coach, but the failures appear to be a culture issue.
There are baked in challenges that are specific to UK as a football program, including the in-state talent base, and the history of the program. But we are 11 years into the Stoops era, and there are unaddressed problems that have been occurring since season 1.
We've consistently been unprepared in multiple games per season. Whether it is a lack of ability to get the teams prepared at the same level as our opponents, or a discipline issue, Stoops' teams have at least 2-3 clunkers every season in otherwise winnable games. His teams also have a pattern of performing poorly after a bye week, which is inexcusable.
Another point of frustration with Stoops' culture is that his game management skills are middling to outright abysmal. That horse has been beaten to death already, but the same issues are still occurring.
We can't control the lack of in-state talent, and other location specific disadvantages. We also can't control the fact that the SEC is going to a 9 game league schedule.
We can control whether we show up focused and prepared. We also can control whether we use timeouts effectively in a two minute drill, or when to attempt to score before halftime. If players are unwilling to get with the program, you have to let them sit.
There are baked in challenges that are specific to UK as a football program, including the in-state talent base, and the history of the program. But we are 11 years into the Stoops era, and there are unaddressed problems that have been occurring since season 1.
We've consistently been unprepared in multiple games per season. Whether it is a lack of ability to get the teams prepared at the same level as our opponents, or a discipline issue, Stoops' teams have at least 2-3 clunkers every season in otherwise winnable games. His teams also have a pattern of performing poorly after a bye week, which is inexcusable.
Another point of frustration with Stoops' culture is that his game management skills are middling to outright abysmal. That horse has been beaten to death already, but the same issues are still occurring.
We can't control the lack of in-state talent, and other location specific disadvantages. We also can't control the fact that the SEC is going to a 9 game league schedule.
We can control whether we show up focused and prepared. We also can control whether we use timeouts effectively in a two minute drill, or when to attempt to score before halftime. If players are unwilling to get with the program, you have to let them sit.
