If you can't tell that Calipari is a better coach than Tubby Smith then I don't know what to tell you. Calipari has won everywhere he has coached. Tubby has not. It's simple.
We owe Tubby and apology
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Let’s face it. A Tubby thread has no street cred without posts by Louis Skunk and Deplion.
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Tubby lost his job because his recruiting absolutely fell off the cliff the last couple of years of his reign. I'd love to know the real backstory there. I think a lot of people felt it was because he stopped putting in the work needed to land the best of the best, but I think there is more to it than that.
I think a big part of it was that he just didn't have the stomach to cheat the way the other big-time programs were cheating back then. A perfect example is North Carolina. Carolina was absolutely cheating their ass off back then - if we were recruiting against them for a kid, we had absolutely no shot. When kids who were life-long UK fans like Brandan Wright or Tyler Hansbrough spurn you for UNC, you know something is wrong.
Chris Duhon was another kid that Tubby went all out on, but in the end, we couldn't compete with the perks he and his family got for going to Duke. I think those recruiting losses took a lot out of Tubby, and ultimately he stopped even trying to recruit the top echelon kids and tried to find hidden gems, but in the end, too many of those hidden gems turned out to be fool's gold.
I think a big part of it was that he just didn't have the stomach to cheat the way the other big-time programs were cheating back then. A perfect example is North Carolina. Carolina was absolutely cheating their ass off back then - if we were recruiting against them for a kid, we had absolutely no shot. When kids who were life-long UK fans like Brandan Wright or Tyler Hansbrough spurn you for UNC, you know something is wrong.
Chris Duhon was another kid that Tubby went all out on, but in the end, we couldn't compete with the perks he and his family got for going to Duke. I think those recruiting losses took a lot out of Tubby, and ultimately he stopped even trying to recruit the top echelon kids and tried to find hidden gems, but in the end, too many of those hidden gems turned out to be fool's gold.
I wouldn't apologize to Tubby in the least. His style was horrible and ten loss tubby was well deserved. Giving us Tubby was the only thing Rick did at UK that totally sucked. Cal just sucks more than ten loss Tubby. Tubby would out coach the fvck out of Cal while Cal would out recruit tubby. They play 10 games against each other and 5 wins would go to coaching ability and 5 wins would go to talent. Neither should have been at UK.
How so? Seems about dead even to me:
In his last six seasons Tubby was:
2007: Second Round
2006: Second Round
2005: Elite 8
2004: Second Round
2003: Elite 8
2002: Sweet 16
Cal’s last 6 years, not counting this year as it’s still in progress:
2021: Did not qualify for postseason
2020: No postseason for anyone - won only championship we were eligible to win
2019: Elite 8
2018: Sweet 16
2017: Elite 8
2016: Second Round
yea but people would read your post and then say "consider the source"
I see what you did! 👍
Can you also comment on what part Tubby had in the Germans bombing Pearl Harbour? 😂
It’s funny when people think I give a damn. I support the cats. You crap all over them like the other haters and imposters. I’d despise being miserable and pissing all over the program like you and others.
yea, you don't give a damn but you've been posting here for 15 years (except the times you get suspended ). Just admit you enjoy coming here and antagonizing people. Its obvious to everyone.
But my original comment was regarding the effect that strict NCAA covid protocols had. Unless you expect Cal to have anticipated a global pandemic back around 1997 and started recruiting accordingly, you can't blame him. He has had pretty good success in the past with very young teams, as have Duke, NC, KU, etc.
For the record, I don't like having a bunch of OADs. But the reality is that if UK doesn't get them, our rivals will. I'd rather have Sharpe at UK *not playing* than have him at Duke.
Actually I consider it distaste and pathetic to have to call out people for pissing and crapping on the Cats. To me you are just like a U6 or UT fan. I can’t tell the difference. Anyone that bashes coaches, schedules, players, Rupp Arena is more like a U6 or Indiana fan than KY. It’s probably obvious to every one I don’t like fans coming here and trashing the program I support. Go piss on Duke or something. We don’t need the hating stink here.
I laugh when I think of the outrage if Sharpe returned for his Freshman year at Duke and went off on us for 40. Cal announcing that he passed on him because there was an unquantifiable chance he might not play. Heads would explode.
Actually it wouldn’t shock me out if Sharp entered the transfer portal. I can understand him not wanting to play for haters like what we have. We have people wanting to gut Grady and bench him and Wheeler over a bad night.
Tubby beat Duke in the NCAA Tournament, did Rick do that when they played? No.
At least you have Iona's NIT game to look forward to watching.
I agree with you. Tubby was too honorable to cheat. He was a honest man having to play liar's poker and that's just not his game. Not only did you have UNC and Duke step up their cheating ways, by this point Calipari had Memphis built up and getting some high level prospects.
At least Tubby did the honorable thing and move on. He left with grace and his character intact.
Nope...it's a very valid take.
Covid began March 2020. That's sufficient time to adjust to the issue.
Other teams, and I don't care about their tenure, were somehow able to practice, play games, etc....to get ready for the season. UK didn't or couldn't. There was also a bust on some of the talent. That happens sometimes.
Point is...UK was in the same boat as everyone else. To suggest otherwise is simply making an excuse.
We don’t owe Tubby AND apology. We don’t owe AND Tubby AND apology. We don‘t AND anyone an apology. We don’t owe you AND apology. 💩 man come on.
Then they owe Tubby AND apology. They some bad 💩 going on and you’re a part of it.
Surely that was a dictation equipment error ! SURELY !
Nonsense. I just explained it. Duke had a young team last year. They sucked. UNC had a young team last year. They sucked. Kansas had more of a veteran team last year. They were respectable. As I said, Baylor had damn near everyone back with lots of history with the team and thorough knowledge of the system. They won a championship.
And he walked because he was feeling the pressure. BBN didn’t want him anymore.
UK 9-16
pUKe 13-11
uncheats 18-11
kansas 21-9
I think we'd all taken 18-11 or even 13-11 vs the mess we saw last year.
UK has had young teams before and has had successful years.
The talent last year just wasn't there. That was obvious. There were also some internal issues on the team I believe. Not sure how the woke mess played into the season but I believe it was a component. I know there were lots of discussions on the board about that.
Plus, how do you account for those teams with juniors and seniors that have bad records??
UK, for the last time, was in the same boat with everyone else.
Baylor seemed to do well. Covid and the woke didn't effect them
My point. Everyone was in the same boat with covid.
WOW! that was Ricks team and they played like Ricks teams played. Just watch the replays of that team and you see Ricks hustle and work ethic that just a few years later was totally gone. Are you talking about the 92 team? the one that was playing one of the greatest Duke teams ever that was trying to repeat? The UK team that has 4 kids from the eastern mountains of KY playing with Mash? The UK team that had 1/8 the talent that the 98 team that beat duke had? The UK team that scored 103 points and lost by a miracle full court pass and shot with 1 second on the clock? ohhh ok. That team wouldn't have made the NIT had Tubby been the coach.
