Tubby ball was so boring I forgot games were on at times and missed them all together.
We owe Tubby and apology
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I remember that post specifically. Hard to believe, as much as I’ve had going on. Thought it was a great thread then and still do.
Lol I might say that too if I was a eunich living in moms basement
And Tubby does not have the worst season in UK history, yes UK history, he does not 1 or 2 NIT's and I do not think he ever missed the dance. So what is your point.
I don't think anyone owes Tubby an apology
I think its more about what our standards were as fans with Tubby versus the lowered expectations of Cal.
Cal's 2010-2015 run was amazing, on par with Pitino revitalizing the program , that said, Cal is milking that run for all its worth along with this idea that great recruiting without results meets some standard among fans who cling to hope that the tumblers will align and the team will go on a tear.
In some ways that 2014 team set the stage for every Cal excuse because every team since has the ability in some fans eyes to flip a switch and play to the full potential of their NBA draft selection, regardless of what has happened during the season.
Its why we have this ridiculous mentality that November/December doesn't matter (heck, lets throw in January too) why a #1 or #2 seed doesn't matter. That Cal's team turn it on in March and run over everyone, yet their performance lately is on par with Tubby which was not acceptable during his time here. And we give Cal so much rope - horrible home games in Rupp to get the team ready , marginalizing records and traditions that were once foundational to UK in importance - all to support this now mythical idea that UK will turn it on in March.
One team set the stage to throw out all historical data and cling to the idea that all you need is a great recruiting class.
I think its more about what our standards were as fans with Tubby versus the lowered expectations of Cal.
Cal's 2010-2015 run was amazing, on par with Pitino revitalizing the program , that said, Cal is milking that run for all its worth along with this idea that great recruiting without results meets some standard among fans who cling to hope that the tumblers will align and the team will go on a tear.
In some ways that 2014 team set the stage for every Cal excuse because every team since has the ability in some fans eyes to flip a switch and play to the full potential of their NBA draft selection, regardless of what has happened during the season.
Its why we have this ridiculous mentality that November/December doesn't matter (heck, lets throw in January too) why a #1 or #2 seed doesn't matter. That Cal's team turn it on in March and run over everyone, yet their performance lately is on par with Tubby which was not acceptable during his time here. And we give Cal so much rope - horrible home games in Rupp to get the team ready , marginalizing records and traditions that were once foundational to UK in importance - all to support this now mythical idea that UK will turn it on in March.
One team set the stage to throw out all historical data and cling to the idea that all you need is a great recruiting class.
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No tubby deserves us treating cal the way we did him. Meaning do better or get the fan base pressuring him to leave. It’s sad just the illusion of talent with recruiting might be having some forgive cal more than tubbty but results should be the beginning and end of what matters here.
part of it is that so many see who we recruited and get their hopes up just for year after year cal showing he’ll eff it up. Holding on to that hope the cal from the first 6 years will return but he won’t. The game changed and he refuses to change with it
part of it is that so many see who we recruited and get their hopes up just for year after year cal showing he’ll eff it up. Holding on to that hope the cal from the first 6 years will return but he won’t. The game changed and he refuses to change with it
Tubby was asked to get better assistants. He wouldn't do it and bolted out the side door in the middle of the night to a school that didn't have any rules against him enriching his kids.
I remember towards the end him saying that he thought a 20 win season was a good thing?
Owe him an apology? Hell no.
I remember towards the end him saying that he thought a 20 win season was a good thing?
Owe him an apology? Hell no.
The stakes are high when you’re playing for all the marbles
I do seem to recall the 20 win season statement. His replacement of assistants was probably the catalyst to leave but I also remember that his move to Minnesota was actually being negotiated as far back as December. Mitch was saying then an 8 seed in the tourney was not acceptable for the Kentucky program, now imagine an NIT or not even making the NIT.
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Sorry, but this is a stupid take. Last year UK had multiple freshmen starting. Baylor's starters last year had been on the team a collective 12 years before the season started. All 5 were on the team the previous year. To act like they were affected in the same way as a bunch of freshmen who had never played together before is just plain stupid. 4 of UK's players with the most starts were freshmen, and the 2 upper classmen, Saar and Mintz, were transfers who didn't redshirt at UK. So *literally* none of the top 6 starters had ever played together. And none of them came in with experience in Cal's system.
All the blue-blood teams filled with OADs were similarly affected. Teams filled with veterans coming back not so much.
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is Cal responsible for having 9 freshman or new players on the team? yup!
That's the nature of being a blue blood. You either get as many 5-stars as possible, or get criticized for not being a good recruiter.
I guess you're saying he shouldn't have recruited Quickley or Maxey - should have brought in some 4-stars instead so they wouldn't leave early.
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no criticism .....if you win. if you recruit 9 two stars and win, no one's complaining.
recruit 9 five stars and lose....well Cal is responsible for the roster.
I'm saying he shouldn't let the program be dependent solely on 18 year old unproven high school players.
and a 17 year old talent deficient pg. run the team.
You make a great argument for his departure.....but NOW not LATER. Is 7 bad years not enough for you to decide.
Why’d you pick the last 6 years? The problem with Tubby was after the title the frustration levels built up not making it back to the final four. In addition to seeing the future of no recruiting, year after year. So nothing potentially great on the horizon.
By Tubby’s last 6 years some fans were already over it, by his last 2 years most fans were. The problem wasn’t Tubbys last 6 seasons themselves, it was the overall picture built by the seasons preceding these
We'll see how the next few weeks go. If Cal can pull off a Final 4, then this whole argument needs to go away, along with the "Cal hasn't won in 6 years".
It works both ways, if people can quickly disregard the 2011, 2012, and 2014 seasons.. then we can do the same with 2018, 2020, etc.. IF Cal can get this Final 4.
It works both ways, if people can quickly disregard the 2011, 2012, and 2014 seasons.. then we can do the same with 2018, 2020, etc.. IF Cal can get this Final 4.
your sole reason to be here is to pick fights. That's the only reason you'd say that
No apologies needed
cal = good recruiter, below average coach
tubby= below average recruiter, good coach
cal = good recruiter, below average coach
tubby= below average recruiter, good coach
The SEC is much tougher now than when Tubby coached. No offense to Tubby, it's just a fact.
1) Because of the title
2) Because it is too long - make the point quicker
3) You then didn't also compare the four years without the Covid impact to see what that match up shows - that is more comparing apples to apples
