Von Pearson Reinstated at Tennessee

[Orange_N_White]

Total bullshit. Show me anything factual where the one victim said she didn't want to prosecute if the player didn't break up with her. Internet BS. There is a Federal Investigation because of all the sexual assaults that are "investigated" and then not prosecuted and you have the balls to split hairs and minimize it. I stand by my original statement. What a joke of a program. Karma will come back around

I wrote off the ability for any true justice to take place at Tennessee when it came to someone on the football team that was deemed a difference maker 5ish years ago when that 5 star freshman safety who was your next Eric Berry was on video tape coming out of the store where the players he was with robbed it with a pellet gun....and he was playing two weeks later.

Although I'm sure it was "investigated" and he was deemed an upstanding member of your team. He left the team thereafter(must have been to start that mission) and I'm sure he's in jail now BUT you got to use him for the rest of the season....surprise surprise

The 8ncident you talk about was starter 4 star (6.0) nukeese Richardson and 3 star Mike Edwards were booted. 5 star Janzen Jackson was not prosecuted for lack of evidrnce. Jackson and Edwards pleaded guilty. Richardson was most assuredly a star player and started. 5* Darick Rogers was booted a couple of years later. Your statement we don't boot or prosecute high rated players is just not based in fact. Hate, yes.

 

[Pike 96]

Of course there is. That is why Williams and Johnson are facing a jury In September. If they are guilty I hope they go away for a long time. If not guilty I hope they can get on with their lives and be productive citizens.

I guess if they are found not guilty you will accuse the jury of being corrupt. I'm not so jaded on people.

You guys seem pretty jaded on the women

Of course there is. That is why Williams and Johnson are facing a jury In September. If they are guilty I hope they go away for a long time. If not guilty I hope they can get on with their lives and be productive citizens.

I guess if they are found not guilty you will accuse the jury of being corrupt. I'm not so jaded on people.

You Crack me up. Are you not so jaded on the victims of the alleged assualts? Bottom line is that your school reeks of hillbilly justice for anyone in shoulder pads who can win games. That's what happens when all the cops doing the investigating all have oversized T's on their windows and orange hunting suits in the closets just waiting for Saturdays. I went to UK and the cops were often jerks but they sure as hell weren't going to sweep investigations of athletes under the rug. You guys can rationalize and contradict any argument that threatens eligibility on Saturday or minimizes getting a recruit. Your school isn't unique but it's clearly one of the worst. End totally justifies the means. You represent the worst part of college football. Done with this conversation.

 

[Orange_N_White]

You are using your hate and emotion. I'm using facts.

 

[Pike 96]

The 8ncident you talk about was starter 4 star (6.0) nukeese Richardson and 3 star Mike Edwards were booted. 5 star Janzen Jackson was not prosecuted for lack of evidrnce. Jackson and Edwards pleaded guilty. Richardson was most assuredly a star player and started. 5* Darick Rogers was booted a couple of years later. Your statement we don't boot or prosecute high rated players is just not based in fact. Hate, yes.

Lack of evidence...think ive heard that somewhere. Lack of evidence...except for the video tape of him coming out of the store and getting in the car with other players of course. Totally reasonable actions by someone that is oblivious and just hanging out with a couple buddies that just robbed a store at gunpoint. Looked very inconclusive.

Weren't you guys competing for a conference championship that year and Jackson was far and away your best option at safety?

 

[mrschwump]

Lack of evidence...think ive heard that somewhere. Lack of evidence...except for the video tape of him coming out of the store and getting in the car with other players of course. Totally reasonable actions by someone that is oblivious and just hanging out with a couple buddies that just robbed a store at gunpoint. Looked very inconclusive.

Weren't you guys competing for a conference championship that year and Jackson was far and away your best option at safety?

Criteria at UT and in Knoxville is simple...the better the player the more likely evidence will be.....lost. Nothing new here, has been going on for decades.

 

[Bigblueforever]

Criteria at UT and in Knoxville is simple...the better the player the more likely evidence will be.....lost. Nothing new here, has been going on for decades.

Tennessee want to win no matter what a player does if he is good player.

 

[Orange_N_White]

Tennessee want to win no matter what a player does if he is good player.

So if he isn't charged, rape kit is negative, DNA test is negative, no evidence they even had sex, you should boot him?

 

[Orange_N_White]

Criteria at UT and in Knoxville is simple...the better the player the more likely evidence will be.....lost. Nothing new here, has been going on for decades.

Why have 5* and 4* kids been booted over the years if that is the case?

I have facts. You have emotion and the re-telling of stories that become true if you tell them long enough.

 

[mrschwump]

Why have 5* and 4* kids been booted over the years if that is the case?

I have facts. You have emotion and the re-telling of stories that become true if you tell them long enough.

Except you get your "facts" from the UT propaganda machine.

 

[footballfanatic77]

Total bullshit. Show me anything factual where the one victim said she didn't want to prosecute if the player didn't break up with her. Internet BS. There is a Federal Investigation because of all the sexual assaults that are "investigated" and then not prosecuted and you have the balls to split hairs and minimize it. I stand by my original statement. What a joke of a program. Karma will come back around

No there is a federal investigation of the university for the same reason there is one currently at Kentucky: someone filed a complaint with the federal government.

 

[jauk11]

Not at all sure what a player no longer being on the team has to do with him not being eligible for this list, he was a player when he screwed up.

Jantzen was also the player you sent home to Louisiana for "personal problems" (to dry out) but he didn't last the semester when they tried to get him back on the team. Also the one that cost TU a bowl win with the targeting call.

The "incident" where eight players kicked two separate victims (one a police officer) into the hospital WHILE DOWN is just one of MANY where incredibly bad behavior was covered up. Unbelievable that that atrocity could even be thought a case where you could cover up and have NO charges filed and just an example of how far TU will go.

 

[jauk11]

No there is a federal investigation of the university for the same reason there is one currently at Kentucky: someone filed a complaint with the federal government.

I think the investigation you refer to is supposed to be triggered by a University not dealing with alleged sexual offenses, not sure what more UK could have done any more than what they did considering the evidence they (didn't) have. Do you think Universities should open their own prisons? Was this alleged investigation triggered by an athlete or perhaps by a regular student?

 

[Orange_N_White]

Except you get your "facts" from the UT propaganda machine.

Lol. No. That is you and some buds with propaganda. I bring facts.

"No high rank players get booted" I give examples of starting 5* and 4 * players booted.

"Nobody sees a judge" I give examples of players who have or will go to court

 

[jauk11]

Hatcher suspended for TWO games, will miss the first crucial test at USC. Wonder if it would have been a one game suspension at TU.

Nah, what am I saying, there wouldn't have been a suspension at TU or UL.

 

[UKCatnNC]

Well the lack of evidence was a negative DNA test and negative rape kit. I'd say that is pretty substantial lack of evidence wouldn't you?

Not necessarily. You seem to be more sure than anyone else.

 

[Orange_N_White]

Hatcher suspended for TWO games, will miss the first crucial test at USC. Wonder if it would have been a one game suspension at TU.

Nah, what am I saying, there wouldn't have been a suspension at TU or UL.

You mean like suspension of our best receiver and 5* Darick Rogers in August before the season started 3 years ago?

Try again ja.

 

[footballfanatic77]

I think the investigation you refer to is supposed to be triggered by a University not dealing with alleged sexual offenses, not sure what more UK could have done any more than what they did considering the evidence they (didn't) have. Do you think Universities should open their own prisons? Was this alleged investigation triggered by an athlete or perhaps by a regular student?

Was that directed at me? Because I think you know that my opinion is schools shouldn't be doing their own investigations to begin with. Like Tennessee, it's unknown what prompted the investigation. We can only speculate.

 

[footballfanatic77]

Not at all sure what a player no longer being on the team has to do with him not being eligible for this list, he was a player when he screwed up.

Jantzen was also the player you sent home to Louisiana for "personal problems" (to dry out) but he didn't last the semester when they tried to get him back on the team. Also the one that cost TU a bowl win with the targeting call.

The "incident" where eight players kicked two separate victims (one a police officer) into the hospital WHILE DOWN is just one of MANY where incredibly bad behavior was covered up. Unbelievable that that atrocity could even be thought a case where you could cover up and have NO charges filed and just an example of how far TU will go.

The player I mentioned no longer on the team was not on the team at the time of the incident. Also the case you mention (repeatedly) had charges filed against at least three players, as we have discussed (repeatedly) so I know that you are aware of that.

 

[footballfanatic77]

Not at all sure what a player no longer being on the team has to do with him not being eligible for this list, he was a player when he screwed up.

Jantzen was also the player you sent home to Louisiana for "personal problems" (to dry out) but he didn't last the semester when they tried to get him back on the team. Also the one that cost TU a bowl win with the targeting call.

The "incident" where eight players kicked two separate victims (one a police officer) into the hospital WHILE DOWN is just one of MANY where incredibly bad behavior was covered up. Unbelievable that that atrocity could even be thought a case where you could cover up and have NO charges filed and just an example of how far TU will go.

Also

Hatcher suspended for TWO games, will miss the first crucial test at USC. Wonder if it would have been a one game suspension at TU.

Nah, what am I saying, there wouldn't have been a suspension at TU or UL.

I don't get the logic here at all. AJ Johnson was by far the best person on the roster last season. Yet he was suspended for every single game following the incident, even before charges were filed, even before it was clear that charges would be filed.

 

[Pike 96]

You are using your hate and emotion. I'm using facts.

Ah...facts...iron clad facts like "lack of evidence" statements. Very overwhelming

Also


I don't get the logic here at all. AJ Johnson was by far the best person on the roster last season. Yet he was suspended for every single game following the incident, even before charges were filed, even before it was clear that charges would be filed.

You guys are ridiculous. Let me make this simple and clear. You can trot off examples based on the "facts" as they have been spoon fed to you for public consumption. And you can point to guys that were actually kicked off the team...but how many actual episodes does it take beyond what is commonly known for someone that is talented to be kicked out of the UT program. You point to Ricks being booted or two guys that get released that committed armed robbery as evidence that Tennessee runs a clean program. Or that Johnson last year was held out against Vandy for god sake or an over matched worthless bowl game.

The Question and issue is what level of criminal, immoral and rule breaking activity actual needs to be reached for a player that is deemed valuable on the field to be booted from the team? History and current events show that level is at a ridiculous and corrupt level. So pardon me for my skepticism that someone like Von Pearson could literally get away with sexual assault at UT if he is deemed imparative to compete for a championship.

UT and some other programs are infested with a culture of corruption where talent and winning trumps all. Period. I'm glad UT and UL aren't my Alma mater.

 

[footballfanatic77]

Ah...facts...iron clad facts like "lack of evidence" statements. Very overwhelming



You guys are ridiculous. Let me make this simple and clear. You can trot off examples based on the "facts" as they have been spoon fed to you for public consumption. And you can point to guys that were actually kicked off the team...but how many actual episodes does it take beyond what is commonly known for someone that is talented to be kicked out of the UT program. You point to Ricks being booted or two guys that get released that committed armed robbery as evidence that Tennessee runs a clean program. Or that Johnson last year was held out against Vandy for god sake or an over matched worthless bowl game.

The Question and issue is what level of criminal, immoral and rule breaking activity actual needs to be reached for a player that is deemed valuable on the field to be booted from the team? History and current events show that level is at a ridiculous and corrupt level. So pardon me for my skepticism that someone like Von Pearson could literally get away with sexual assault at UT if he is deemed imparative to compete for a championship.

UT and some other programs are infested with a culture of corruption where talent and winning trumps all. Period. I'm glad UT and UL aren't my Alma mater.

Johnson was held out against Missouri and Vanderbilt and the bowl against an Iowa team that went into the season with many people predicting they would win 10 games. It wasn't possible to hold him out of any more games than that since the coaches weren't able to see into the future that an incident like that was going to occur. You say "what level of criminal, immoral or rule breaking..." Even the appearance of impropriety has been enough to get players suspended at Tennessee where that impropriety has been of a remotely serious nature. I can't say that's always been true. Football programs in the past have been much more willing to look past players transgressions than today. Von Pearson was not imperative to anything. He is a good player, but Tennessee is as deep at wide receiver as any team in the East without him. When players do bad things, particularly get charged with sexual assaults it does no one any good to "go easy" on them. But, if about 8 percent of sexual assault claims are false, you can be assured that because of the higher profile of student-athletes that they are falsely accused slightly more often. Did Tubman rape somebody? I don't know but I don't think so. Did Lexington police do their jobs an adequately investigate? Did the prosecutor do his job and make his case before the grand jury? A grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if a prosecutor asked them to, so it seems that had the prosecutor wanted an indictment he could have got one. Or, were all those on the grand jury so biased in favor of UK that they refused to indict? Was Mark Stoops actually doing what he believed was right when he handed down a one-game suspension to 4 players who caused a campus-wide lockdown? Or was he lenient because one of them was his star running back and the other the heir-apparent at QB? Should Stoops have punished Drew Barker for making UK football look bad yet again when he was involved in another issue in Richmond? Or was a stern talking-to appropriate? Sure from the outside a skeptic can ask those questions and come to his own negative conclusions. But as lawyer myself, I like to believe that our system of justice works most of the time. Even in Lexington where the cops always seemed friendly to athletes IMO than cops in Knoxville did. Regardless, I like to think that when push comes to shove they do what they should do: their jobs. That goes for police, coaches, and prosecutors and the citizens that make up grand juries.

 

[jauk11]

The player I mentioned no longer on the team was not on the team at the time of the incident. Also the case you mention (repeatedly) had charges filed against at least three players, as we have discussed (repeatedly) so I know that you are aware of that.

No I am not aware of that, are you speaking of the DB that had been in trouble twice before that was charged with trying to evade and resisting AFTER the two assaults, name the other ones charged with something from the actual mayhem AND what they were charged with, loitering maybe? I have never even heard the name of the ONE player suspended for the 50-0 cliffhanger against Tennessee Martin, thought that Dooley couldn't find out who was really to blame, what a laugh, just tell them their scholarships were on the line and the least involved would have squealed to high heaven-------as they would have also to the DA if they had been charged with attempted murder, you know the tactics.

And what were they going to do with Johnson, doesn't sound like any Grand Jury is going to let him off the hook from what little I have read, where was this great prospect drafted by the money first NFL?

 

[footballfanatic77]

No I am not aware of that, are you speaking of the DB that had been in trouble twice before that was charged with trying to evade and resisting AFTER the two assaults, name the other ones charged with something from the actual mayhem AND what they were charged with, loitering maybe? I have never even heard the name of the ONE player suspended for the 50-0 cliffhanger against Tennessee Martin, thought that Dooley couldn't find out who was really to blame, what a laugh, just tell them their scholarships were on the line and the least involved would have squealed to high heaven-------as they would have also to the DA if they had been charged with attempted murder, you know the tactics.

And what were they going to do with Johnson, doesn't sound like any Grand Jury is going to let him off the hook from what little I have read, where was this great prospect drafted by the money first NFL?

Sounds like Selective amnesia, perhaps you should consult a doctor. http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2010/07/two_tennessee_football_players.html

 

[jauk11]

Johnson was held out against Missouri and Vanderbilt and the bowl against an Iowa team that went into the season with many people predicting they would win 10 games. It wasn't possible to hold him out of any more games than that since the coaches weren't able to see into the future that an incident like that was going to occur. You say "what level of criminal, immoral or rule breaking..." Even the appearance of impropriety has been enough to get players suspended at Tennessee where that impropriety has been of a remotely serious nature. I can't say that's always been true. Football programs in the past have been much more willing to look past players transgressions than today. Von Pearson was not imperative to anything. He is a good player, but Tennessee is as deep at wide receiver as any team in the East without him. When players do bad things, particularly get charged with sexual assaults it does no one any good to "go easy" on them. But, if about 8 percent of sexual assault claims are false, you can be assured that because of the higher profile of student-athletes that they are falsely accused slightly more often. Did Tubman rape somebody? I don't know but I don't think so. Did Lexington police do their jobs an adequately investigate? Did the prosecutor do his job and make his case before the grand jury? A grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if a prosecutor asked them to, so it seems that had the prosecutor wanted an indictment he could have got one. Or, were all those on the grand jury so biased in favor of UK that they refused to indict? Was Mark Stoops actually doing what he believed was right when he handed down a one-game suspension to 4 players who caused a campus-wide lockdown? Or was he lenient because one of them was his star running back and the other the heir-apparent at QB? Should Stoops have punished Drew Barker for making UK football look bad yet again when he was involved in another issue in Richmond? Or was a stern talking-to appropriate? Sure from the outside a skeptic can ask those questions and come to his own negative conclusions. But as lawyer myself, I like to believe that our system of justice works most of the time. Even in Lexington where the cops always seemed friendly to athletes IMO than cops in Knoxville did. Regardless, I like to think that when push comes to shove they do what they should do: their jobs. That goes for police, coaches, and prosecutors and the citizens that make up grand juries.

You are supposed to have a law degree and you make a stupid statement like this: " Even in Lexington where the cops always seemed friendly to athletes IMO than cops in Knoxville did."

Sorry, you just lost all credibility with me, and probably 99% of all intelligent posters on here, the one percent composed of the trolls on here.

 

[Pike 96]

Johnson was held out against Missouri and Vanderbilt and the bowl against an Iowa team that went into the season with many people predicting they would win 10 games. It wasn't possible to hold him out of any more games than that since the coaches weren't able to see into the future that an incident like that was going to occur. You say "what level of criminal, immoral or rule breaking..." Even the appearance of impropriety has been enough to get players suspended at Tennessee where that impropriety has been of a remotely serious nature. I can't say that's always been true. Football programs in the past have been much more willing to look past players transgressions than today. Von Pearson was not imperative to anything. He is a good player, but Tennessee is as deep at wide receiver as any team in the East without him. When players do bad things, particularly get charged with sexual assaults it does no one any good to "go easy" on them. But, if about 8 percent of sexual assault claims are false, you can be assured that because of the higher profile of student-athletes that they are falsely accused slightly more often. Did Tubman rape somebody? I don't know but I don't think so. Did Lexington police do their jobs an adequately investigate? Did the prosecutor do his job and make his case before the grand jury? A grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if a prosecutor asked them to, so it seems that had the prosecutor wanted an indictment he could have got one. Or, were all those on the grand jury so biased in favor of UK that they refused to indict? Was Mark Stoops actually doing what he believed was right when he handed down a one-game suspension to 4 players who caused a campus-wide lockdown? Or was he lenient because one of them was his star running back and the other the heir-apparent at QB? Should Stoops have punished Drew Barker for making UK football look bad yet again when he was involved in another issue in Richmond? Or was a stern talking-to appropriate? Sure from the outside a skeptic can ask those questions and come to his own negative conclusions. But as lawyer myself, I like to believe that our system of justice works most of the time. Even in Lexington where the cops always seemed friendly to athletes IMO than cops in Knoxville did. Regardless, I like to think that when push comes to shove they do what they should do: their jobs. That goes for police, coaches, and prosecutors and the citizens that make up grand juries.

Gotcha. Tennessee is a changed program under Jones.You suspended a player that is accused of sexual assault. Very commendable. And the mere fact you can include 18 year kids playing manhunt to a discussion around sexual assault accusations of 6 Different UT players serves to show how ridiculously out of touch you are.
Jones is just more of the same at UT. The highest cost of living stipend in Knoxville TN, the lying to recruits with over signing. How many players have already left from Jones first two classes? 10? 12? More.

I have no idea why you are even on a UK board. Last thing..you don't think Pearson is a key player...I watched your games last year and he was a difference maker at wide receiver. I have a bet for you counselor....if Pearson stays healthy, I'll bet he goes in the first two rounds of the NFL draft and is the highest receiver taken on UT'S team. $50 on it?

 

[footballfanatic77]

You are supposed to have a law degree and you make a stupid statement like this: " Even in Lexington where the cops always seemed friendly to athletes IMO than cops in Knoxville did."

Sorry, you just lost all credibility with me, and probably 99% of all intelligent posters on here, the one percent composed of the trolls on here.

It's true when I was at both schools it was an observation I made. I don't think there was a particular problem in Lexington with cops letting players off or anything like that, I just thought cops in Lexington seemed to be on better terms with players.

 

[footballfanatic77]

Gotcha. Tennessee is a changed program under Jones.You suspended a player that is accused of sexual assault. Very commendable. And the mere fact you can include 18 year kids playing manhunt to a discussion around sexual assault accusations of 6 Different UT players serves to show how ridiculously out of touch you are.
Jones is just more of the same at UT. The highest cost of living stipend in Knoxville TN, the lying to recruits with over signing. How many players have already left from Jones first two classes? 10? 12? More.

I have no idea why you are even on a UK board. Last thing..you don't think Pearson is a key player...I watched your games last year and he was a difference maker at wide receiver. I have a bet for you counselor....if Pearson stays healthy, I'll bet he goes in the first two rounds of the NFL draft and is the highest receiver taken on UT'S team. $50 on it?

I didn't compare the two at all and I'm really sorry you misread it that way. It was not my intention for that to happen. I was making a point that we can all be skeptical if we choose to be. I don't agree with you about Jones, but it's okay to have differing opinions as long as our facts substantiate those opinions. I'm on a UK board because I'm a UK fan. I didn't say I didn't think Pearson was a difference maker, he's a very good player, but he's probably not even the best player at WR much less on the team. Tennessee doesn't lose a lot to the draft this season so unless a player or two leaves early I think I would agree with you.

 

[Orange_N_White]

Ah...facts...iron clad facts like "lack of evidence" statements. Very overwhelming



You guys are ridiculous. Let me make this simple and clear. You can trot off examples based on the "facts" as they have been spoon fed to you for public consumption. And you can point to guys that were actually kicked off the team...but how many actual episodes does it take beyond what is commonly known for someone that is talented to be kicked out of the UT program. You point to Ricks being booted or two guys that get released that committed armed robbery as evidence that Tennessee runs a clean program. Or that Johnson last year was held out against Vandy for god sake or an over matched worthless bowl game.

The Question and issue is what level of criminal, immoral and rule breaking activity actual needs to be reached for a player that is deemed valuable on the field to be booted from the team? History and current events show that level is at a ridiculous and corrupt level. So pardon me for my skepticism that someone like Von Pearson could literally get away with sexual assault at UT if he is deemed imparative to compete for a championship.

UT and some other programs are infested with a culture of corruption where talent and winning trumps all. Period. I'm glad UT and UL aren't my Alma mater.

You know what you know and don't confuse you with facts.

Got it

 

[jauk11]

Sounds like Selective amnesia, perhaps you should consult a doctor. http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2010/07/two_tennessee_football_players.html

Damn.

And those charges have what to do with the actual assaults that took place, TWO men kicked in the head by a gang and sent to the hospital, EASILY could have been charged with attempted murder and ended up pleading no contest to the despicable assault on TWO victims they were clearly guilty of.

Name me ONE charge from the actual brutal beatings, that is what i asked for.

You must be another of our legions of unemployed lawyers to spend all this time on here, sorry but I don't consider your excuses for your goons worth reading any more and I actually have some business to take care of.

 

[Orange_N_White]

Gotcha. Tennessee is a changed program under Jones.You suspended a player that is accused of sexual assault. Very commendable. And the mere fact you can include 18 year kids playing manhunt to a discussion around sexual assault accusations of 6 Different UT players serves to show how ridiculously out of touch you are.
Jones is just more of the same at UT. The highest cost of living stipend in Knoxville TN, the lying to recruits with over signing. How many players have already left from Jones first two classes? 10? 12? More.

I have no idea why you are even on a UK board. Last thing..you don't think Pearson is a key player...I watched your games last year and he was a difference maker at wide receiver. I have a bet for you counselor....if Pearson stays healthy, I'll bet he goes in the first two rounds of the NFL draft and is the highest receiver taken on UT'S team. $50 on it?

Yes he is a key player.

You don't like the fact he was cleared
I get that.

Negative DNA. Negative rape kit, no evidence of sex.....so kick him off.

Right?

 

[Orange_N_White]

Pike...the guys who got in fight at eku....and were later cleared....I guess you support kicking them off team or suspending them for 4 games even though they were later Cleared.

 

[footballfanatic77]

Damn.

And those charges have what to do with the actual assaults that took place, TWO men kicked in the head by a gang and sent to the hospital, EASILY could have been charged with attempted murder and ended up pleading no contest to the despicable assault on TWO victims they were clearly guilty of.

Name me ONE charge from the actual brutal beatings, that is what i asked for.

You must be another of our legions of unemployed lawyers to spend all this time on here, sorry but I don't consider your excuses for your goons worth reading any more and I actually have some business to take care of.

It's a Saturday. I usually check this a few times a day.

 

[nssdigitalchumps]

I tend to agree. But unlike other criminal or felonious acts, sexual assault/harassment is a Title IX issue and schools are required to "investigate" such incidents. Failure to do so puts millions of dollars of Federal money at risk.

Peace

It also puts students (and potential ones) at risk.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Johnson was held out against Missouri and Vanderbilt and the bowl against an Iowa team that went into the season with many people predicting they would win 10 games. It wasn't possible to hold him out of any more games than that since the coaches weren't able to see into the future that an incident like that was going to occur. You say "what level of criminal, immoral or rule breaking..." Even the appearance of impropriety has been enough to get players suspended at Tennessee where that impropriety has been of a remotely serious nature. I can't say that's always been true. Football programs in the past have been much more willing to look past players transgressions than today. Von Pearson was not imperative to anything. He is a good player, but Tennessee is as deep at wide receiver as any team in the East without him. When players do bad things, particularly get charged with sexual assaults it does no one any good to "go easy" on them. But, if about 8 percent of sexual assault claims are false, you can be assured that because of the higher profile of student-athletes that they are falsely accused slightly more often. Did Tubman rape somebody? I don't know but I don't think so. Did Lexington police do their jobs an adequately investigate? Did the prosecutor do his job and make his case before the grand jury? A grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if a prosecutor asked them to, so it seems that had the prosecutor wanted an indictment he could have got one. Or, were all those on the grand jury so biased in favor of UK that they refused to indict? Was Mark Stoops actually doing what he believed was right when he handed down a one-game suspension to 4 players who caused a campus-wide lockdown? Or was he lenient because one of them was his star running back and the other the heir-apparent at QB? Should Stoops have punished Drew Barker for making UK football look bad yet again when he was involved in another issue in Richmond? Or was a stern talking-to appropriate? Sure from the outside a skeptic can ask those questions and come to his own negative conclusions. But as lawyer myself, I like to believe that our system of justice works most of the time. Even in Lexington where the cops always seemed friendly to athletes IMO than cops in Knoxville did. Regardless, I like to think that when push comes to shove they do what they should do: their jobs. That goes for police, coaches, and prosecutors and the citizens that make up grand juries.

I will say this about AJ Johnson, I didn't know him well but had worked a couple of camps he attended and I always thought he was a good kid and him getting into the trouble he did surprised me. But ole Da'rick, even when he was still committed to us he was a head case. I saw his opening game his sr year and he drew 3 unsportman like penalties in the first have for the same offense. He caught a TD pass ran to the goalpost and ripped his helmet off while pointing to the stars, did it 3 different times and was penalized 45 total yards. Not that it really matter, Calhoun's kicker could hit from the 40. I knew he wouldn't last long in Athens, turns out he lasted less than I thought he would. So I didn't think as much of him as AJ as for as being a kid. AJ was a yessir, nosir kid, Da'rick was pretty arrogant and not too open to coaching.

 

[lturnervols]

So did u not write the facts jerkoff? Clearly you are big on facts...just like your school. Your own Frick in newspaper says it was 6 and you say it was 3. The only thing I got wrong was that one case occurred in 2013.

Your cesspool of a program has to have a Federal investigation because of all the sexual assaults swept under the rug. Everybody does it though right...

Been gone all day - more important things to do - but I stand by the number 3 ( see

So did u not write the facts jerkoff? Clearly you are big on facts...just like your school. Your own Frick in newspaper says it was 6 and you say it was 3. The only thing I got wrong was that one case occurred in 2013.

Your cesspool of a program has to have a Federal investigation because of all the sexual assaults swept under the rug. Everybody does it though right...

Been gone most of the day - more important things to do - but I'm back and as "footballfanatic77" said above there were actually 3 that were brought forth legally . My facts were correct. And again the point I was saying was that things go on at every major college program - KU included (ie see Chuck Hayes story, which you cannot deny). Players sometimes get accussed but that doesn't mean that they are guilty. In pearson's case it is pretty evident that he was innocent of any wrongdoing. Also, there are UT players that are being prosecuted presently - one was the leading tackler on the team for 3 years (also a sure bet to make the NFL), conspiracy theorists cannot say our players "get a free ride" . Also, according to the report 121 institutions are being investigated , so AGAIN it happens everywhere.
Lastly. let's talk some facts about our two programs : which program has more proven infractions and penalties from the NCAA? that would be KU ( see story below)

http://www.cowboysrideforfree.com/2...athletic-programs-in-college-history-iv-cheat

So who has a "cesspool " of a program ? These are the facts and you cannot deny them GO VOLS

 

[GhostVol]

Guys, guys. ONE win in 30 years will do that to ya.

 

[jauk11]

It's true when I was at both schools it was an observation I made. I don't think there was a particular problem in Lexington with cops letting players off or anything like that, I just thought cops in Lexington seemed to be on better terms with players.

Pretty simple explanation for that, it is a lot easier for cops to be on good terms with young athletes when they aren't a bunch of thugs.

 

[footballfanatic77]

Pretty simple explanation for that, it is a lot easier for cops to be on good terms with young athletes when they aren't a bunch of thugs.

Perhaps, I was simply referring to how a skeptic might see it: that they have the cops in the bag.

 

[jauk11]

Perhaps, I was simply referring to how a skeptic might see it: that they have the cops in the bag.

Well, if you are referring to UK I think you have the wrong team-----try a little farther south, and it isn't even close.

 

[footballfanatic77]

Well, if you are referring to UK I think you have the wrong team-----try a little farther south, and it isn't even close.

So you may be very surprised to learn this, but actually people outside of BBN have a very different perception of UK than people inside BBN. Just like people outside of Alabama have a different perception of it than those in it. And people in Chapel Hill have a different perception of UNC than those who aren't UNC fans.