vol fan here with a question about the one and done rule

[akavff]

obviously kentucky is always going to recruit great no matter the rule....as a kentucky fan would you prefer they change the rule so that you guys can see your players play longer and get more in touch with them as student athletes or would you rather keep the rule as it is and see the turnover every year?


i know that winning is the bottom line and kentucky will win no matter what. just wondered what your preference would be. the rule does not affect us which is another story

 

[trinity45]

obviously kentucky is always going to recruit great no matter the rule....as a kentucky fan would you prefer they change the rule so that you guys can see your players play longer and get more in touch with them as student athletes or would you rather keep the rule as it is and see the turnover every year?


i know that winning is the bottom line and kentucky will win no matter what. just wondered what your preference would be. the rule does not affect us which is another story

personally, if the kid is good enough to go right from high school, let him. The NBA has turned the NCAA into it's own free D league for these 1 year guys just so they can get a better look at them.

 

[akavff]

personally, if the kid is good enough to go right from high school, let him. The NBA has turned the NCAA into it's own free D league for these 1 year guys just so they can get a better look at them.

i would agree.....i know the rule has been great for kentucky with coach cal.....but you guys barely get to know your players and they are gone.....i do think the nba is using the ncaa

 

[sefleming]

Isn't the baseball rule you can go directly from high school but if you got to college it is 2 years. I would prefer something like that but it will probably not happen.

 

[GatorPhin]

I think baseball rule is 3 years.

 

[trinity45]

Isn't the baseball rule you can go directly from high school but if you got to college it is 2 years. I would prefer something like that but it will probably not happen.

Yeah but the NBA is more self serving than baseball. Baseball has its own minor league system to develop young players that opt not to go to college. The NBA has the D league but they don't want to spend the money on unproven players, so they force them into college for one year and make the NCAA their bitch.

 

[Deli owl]

It's truly fun. We get to watch them for years in the NBA and get highlight reel plays every year.

 

[TBCat]

obviously kentucky is always going to recruit great no matter the rule....as a kentucky fan would you prefer they change the rule so that you guys can see your players play longer and get more in touch with them as student athletes or would you rather keep the rule as it is and see the turnover every year?


i know that winning is the bottom line and kentucky will win no matter what. just wondered what your preference would be. the rule does not affect us which is another story

Personally I think the old way of watching players develop until their senior year is coming to an end. The only way you get it back is by only recruiting players that can't play. That's not happening at UK.

Other schools are becoming just as impacted as UK, they just aren't handling it well because they are still in denial. Every team recruits one and dones. Every team will lose players after a year or two. Only UK and Duke have a process in place for dealing with it. Every other school is trying to figure out how to turn back the clock.

 

[BostonCat2001]

obviously kentucky is always going to recruit great no matter the rule....as a kentucky fan would you prefer they change the rule so that you guys can see your players play longer and get more in touch with them as student athletes or would you rather keep the rule as it is and see the turnover every year?


i know that winning is the bottom line and kentucky will win no matter what. just wondered what your preference would be. the rule does not affect us which is another story

i think fans that think this way are pretty creepy.

 

[Ron Mehico]

Are you asking me if I would have preferred to have John Wall/Demarcus Cousins/Eric Bledsoe play for two years instead of one?

Or if I would like to have watched Anthony Davis/MKG for two years play together?

Or if I would be excited to have Fox and Monk and Bam back for next year?

What do you think?

 

[Chimaera717]

I definitely think adopting the baseball rule would drastically increase the quality of NCAA basketball.

 

[akavff]

Are you asking me if I would have preferred to have John Wall/Demarcus Cousins/Eric Bledsoe play for two years instead of one?

Or if I would like to have watched Anthony Davis/MKG for two years play together?

Or if I would be excited to have Fox and Monk and Bam back for next year?

What do you think?

if not for the rule you would never have seen some of those guys at kentucky though....it is definitely a catch 22 topic

 

[wromanp7]

Are you asking me if I would have preferred to have John Wall/Demarcus Cousins/Eric Bledsoe play for two years instead of one?

Or if I would like to have watched Anthony Davis/MKG for two years play together?

Or if I would be excited to have Fox and Monk and Bam back for next year?

What do you think?

Or to have passed on all of them and instead have taken some decent multi-year 4star recruits?

 

[JimboBBN]

My perfect rule would be the baseball rule for college basketball. Stay 3 years at least or go straight from high school. The elite prospects who don't need college get what they want as well as the next set of prospects, who get time to develop in college.

 

[C8TS]

Personally, I just want to win and be prominent with a chance to win it every year.

I like watching them grow within the program but I also love watching our guys in the NBA as well. Fun to see them have success and make a living out of what they love and the thing is - they all love UK.

They are still involved in the program. They come back a lot in the summer and host camps at UK and play pickup games with current team.

They are family, whether it's 1 year or 4 years because they stay involved. Would you rather have a 4 year player that you never see or hear from again or a 1 year player that you see over 10 years on TV and him coming back to your college campus?

 

[The_Answer1313]

obviously kentucky is always going to recruit great no matter the rule....as a kentucky fan would you prefer they change the rule so that you guys can see your players play longer and get more in touch with them as student athletes or would you rather keep the rule as it is and see the turnover every year?


i know that winning is the bottom line and kentucky will win no matter what. just wondered what your preference would be. the rule does not affect us which is another story

See I don't really get this argument about getting more in touch with the players. I mean obviously we would want all great players to be here 4 years. That being said, I feel way more connected with some of the players who only played here 1 year vs some of the guys who stuck around for 4. I mean I'll never forget the 2010, 2012 and 2015 teams. Other teams where we had guys stick around for 4 years......some of them were very forgettable.

But I guess this is something that only UK fans (and other schools that have one and dones) can really see. I think it's hard for fans outside those schools to understand.

 

[St.PatterSoN-54-]

if not for the rule you would never have seen some of those guys at kentucky though....it is definitely a catch 22 topic

I think I could learn to live with having Davis and MKG for 2-4 years if it meant we weren't getting the next crop of guys like Randle and Dakari. I'll suck it up.

 

[Ron Mehico]

Or to have passed on all of them and instead have taken some decent multi-year 4star recruits?

No, I would prefer our way now. I was at UK during the Tubby years of 4 stars Eric Daniels, Gerald Fitch, etc. Though those years were fun we had less of a chance of winning and it was less exciting than it is now and I enjoy the teams we've fielded over the last 8 years better. There is something to be said about knowing you have the best players on the floor when you are playing that gives you a chance to be in any game.

To be perfectly honest I remember and feel more connected to John Wall than I do most of our 4 year players we've had over the years. I mean do we all really feel that connected to Kelenna Azubuike because he stayed 3 years? The other things no one mentions is most of the guys who stay 4 years don't really play much their 1st or 2nd year (the reason they stay 4 years) so we don't really even see them play for much more than one year anyway. Josh Harrellson was a senior but we didn't really watch him play for more than one year.

 

[BostonCat2001]

My perfect rule would be the baseball rule for college basketball. Stay 3 years at least or go straight from high school. The elite prospects who don't need college get what they want as well as the next set of prospects, who get time to develop in college.

would hate that rule personally. zero great/good players would go to college. college game is bland enough, cant imagine what it would look like with a bunch of 6'3" dudes.

 

[Kampus Korner]

obviously kentucky is always going to recruit great no matter the rule....as a kentucky fan would you prefer they change the rule so that you guys can see your players play longer and get more in touch with them as student athletes or would you rather keep the rule as it is and see the turnover every year?


I know that winning is the bottom line and kentucky will win no matter what. just wondered what your preference would be. the rule does not affect us which is another story

As a UK fan, I would like for the ultra "one and dones" (Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall, Karl Anthony Towns, and others to stay longer, but this would be for "my benefit" not theirs. Secondly, if "one and dones" stay longer, it means the future "one and dones" UK would have signed will go someplace else because they will seek more playing time.

Finally, UK's tremendous recruiting success under Coach Cal is based in large part on him being a "player's first coach". Cal has successfully marketed this recruiting approach to the point where it has become his brand. The reality is UK's incredible team success over the last 8 years is based on significant player turnover each year. Such an approach creates some fan frustration and elevated levels of expectations (often unrealistic).

Notwithstanding some fan grumbling about "one and dones", UK has not enjoyed the level of team success it has experienced during any prior 8 year period since Adolph Rupp coached UK in the late 40's and early 50's. Prior to Coach Cal becoming our coach, UK had not been to a Final Four in 12 years. Since Cal arrived, UK has been to the Final Four 4 times in 8 years and has won a national championship.

Since Cal arrived, UK has enjoyed its greatest national media exposure and it has been able to sign the largest number of high quality players in its storied basketball history. Indeed, in UK's remarkable basketball history, these times, under Coach Cal are special. We should appreciate this precious present rather than whine when one of our players opts to make millions in the NBA.

 

[Chuckinden]

Let those coming out of HS go pro.

 

[kats23]

In a perfect world for the NBA and the NCAA game it would be 2 years. However, that is unfair to the players who are obviously ready to go after just year. More are ready to go after one year than two. The one year rule hurts some players who are ready straight out of high school but not the majority. That's why the NBA created the rule. With so much guaranteed money in the draft from the Player's Association, the NBA was tired of giving millions away to 18 year olds who didn't pan out to the money they were spending. So they get 1 year to look at them in college and the player gets usually solid coaching for one season. They are little more seasoned when the pros begin. The NBA wins bigm the college game wins a little too bc they get the stars for at least one year.

Until the majority of one and dones start failing, there won't be a rule change from the NBA anytime soon. The NCAA isn't going to change their rules because it will just hurt them and no one would listen to it anyway. Just like a couple of years ago when the NCAA change the early entrant date but the NBA kept their date the same.

 

[bthaunert]

My preference would be a modified baseball rule. Straight out of high school or eligible to enter after your 2nd year of college ball. That obviously is never going to happen.

I think it would be in the best interest of the NBA to really revamp how they do the NBDL works. Up the salary so that players entering the draft can make more than a max of $26,000. Let's say they double that and a player can make $52,000. Let high school players enter the NBDL Draft, play a year in the NBDL and then have the ability to enter the NBA Draft after 1 year in the NBDL. This would allow players who don't want to go to college and make money immediately without going overseas to do so and allow NBA teams the ability to still scout them.

 

[brianpoe]

As a U.K. Fan wanting straight to league from high school is insane.

We had straight to NBA just a few years ago.

We now have an advantage and some fans want to get rid of it.

Amazingly and mundnumbly awful.

Makes zero sense.

We are blessed with OAD, we have fans that cannot handle the collateral damage of the subculture of players leaving too early that shouldn't have.

Weak Sauce


Not one poster here can make a case that the last 8 years would be remotely close to the success we have had if it were not the OAD.

Yet they keep preaching this insanity.

 

[BlueTick2]

The bottom line is, there is no perfect system that keeps everyone happy.

 

[bthaunert]

As a U.K. Fan wanting straight to league from high school is insane.

We had straight to NBA just a few years ago.

We now have an advantage and some fans want to get rid of it.

Amazingly and mundnumbly awful.

Makes zero sense.

We are blessed with OAD, we have fans that cannot handle the collateral damage of the subculture of players leaving too early that shouldn't have.

Weak Sauce


Not one poster here can make a case that the last 8 years would be remotely close to the success we have had if it were not the OAD.

Yet they keep preaching this insanity.

I thought we are about players first? Wouldn't players first be allowing these guys to make their money as soon as they can? Or are we about players first only when it benefits us?

 

[brianpoe]

personally, if the kid is good enough to go right from high school, let him. The NBA has turned the NCAA into it's own free D league for these 1 year guys just so they can get a better look at them.

Isn't the baseball rule you can go directly from high school but if you got to college it is 2 years. I would prefer something like that but it will probably not happen.

I definitely think adopting the baseball rule would drastically increase the quality of NCAA basketball.

My perfect rule would be the baseball rule for college basketball. Stay 3 years at least or go straight from high school. The elite prospects who don't need college get what they want as well as the next set of prospects, who get time to develop in college.

Let those coming out of HS go pro.

My preference would be a modified baseball rule. Straight out of high school or eligible to enter after your 2nd year of college ball. That obviously is never going to happen.

I think it would be in the best interest of the NBA to really revamp how they do the NBDL works. Up the salary so that players entering the draft can make more than a max of $26,000. Let's say they double that and a player can make $52,000. Let high school players enter the NBDL Draft, play a year in the NBDL and then have the ability to enter the NBA Draft after 1 year in the NBDL. This would allow players who don't want to go to college and make money immediately without going overseas to do so and allow NBA teams the ability to still scout them.

You guys do not realize how big the difference is in the top elite kids and the next bunch.

Not having Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, Knight, Jones, AD, MKG, Noel, KAT, Booker,Trey, Murray, Mike, and Fox would have been....GREAT....


What is it about the title and FFs you guys don't like?

 

[brianpoe]

I thought we are about players first? Wouldn't players first be allowing these guys to make their money as soon as they can? Or are we about players first only when it benefits us?

Yes. We are players first for our kids.

Is that hard to understand?

Does Cal go out and coach kids not on our team or promote them to the NBA?

 

[bthaunert]

You guys do not realize how big the difference is in the top elite kids and the next bunch.

Not having Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, Knight, Jones, AD, MKG, Noel, KAT, Booker,Trey, Murray, Mike, and Fox would have been....GREAT....


What is it about the title and FFs you guys don't like?

So, let me get this straight. As long as a guy plays a year for us and then leaves because he is a projected early draft pick, we all say it's the best thing for the player, you can't risk injury by coming back, etc. But, if some of us think these guys should be able to go straight to the league and benefit from the start without risking injury, etc, then we are looking at it wrong?

 

[JimboBBN]

would hate that rule personally. zero great/good players would go to college. college game is bland enough, cant imagine what it would look like with a bunch of 6'3" dudes.

I think it would depend on how many kids thought they had a shot right out of high school. I honestly only see 5, maybe six kids going straight to the league every year. That wouldn't leave us with a bunch of 6'3 dudes, and there would be plenty of talent there. If 10 or more kids go straight to the league every year, you could be right.

 

[Cychologist]

Is the question what is best for us fans? Or best for the players? Or best for the college game?

No, the question is what is best for the NBA! And they are thriving on the current system. (Their product is the best since the Bird, Jordan, Magic era.)

Let the players establish their brand a year in school then those college fans will continue to follow them in the league. Do you believe any of us would be following Wall, Cousins, etc. had they not been Cats.

 

[bthaunert]

Yes. We are players first for our kids.

Is that hard to understand?

Does Cal go out and coach kids not on our team or promote them to the NBA?

But wouldn't a true players first concept be that these guys can make money straight out of high school?

 

[JimboBBN]

You guys do not realize how big the difference is in the top elite kids and the next bunch.

Not having Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, Knight, Jones, AD, MKG, Noel, KAT, Booker,Trey, Murray, Mike, and Fox would have been....GREAT....


What is it about the title and FFs you guys don't like?

UK would get the best of the best of the kids that were coming to school, just like we do now, except we would get them for 3 years at least. You act like UK never won a title before Cal's system. Hint: we have 7 of them.

 

[ubtrapper]

i think fans that think this way are pretty creepy.

Why? Not a thing wrong with watching the player grow and develop through their college years.

 

[BostonCat2001]

Why? Not a thing wrong with watching the player grow and develop through their college years.

but you dont know them....like AT ALL. and in most cases, 20-30-40 years older.

again...kind of creepy.

 

[brianpoe]

But wouldn't a true players first concept be that these guys can make money straight out of high school?

Players First Concept and Players First PROGRAM are totally different.

Be for straight to pros but we would not will not be as successful.

 

[bthaunert]

Players First Concept and Players First PROGRAM are totally different.

Be for straight to pros but we would not will not be as successful.

So, just to be clear, you're for players first when it's in the best interest of Kentucky and not necessarily in the best interest of the player?

 

[bthaunert]

Players First Concept and Players First PROGRAM are totally different.

Be for straight to pros but we would not will not be as successful.

Also, this concept that we would not be as successful makes me chuckle. You don't think Cal would be able to adapt his recruiting philosophy like he did 10 years ago to have us in the hunt on an annual basis?

 

[ubtrapper]

As a UK fan, I would like for the ultra "one and dones" (Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall, Karl Anthony Towns, and others to stay longer, but this would be for "my benefit" not theirs. Secondly, if "one and dones" stay longer, it means the future "one and dones" UK would have signed will go someplace else because they will seek more playing time.

Finally, UK's tremendous recruiting success under Coach Cal is based in large part on him being a "player's first coach". Cal has successfully marketed this recruiting approach to the point where it has become his brand. The reality is UK's incredible team success over the last 8 years is based on significant player turnover each year. Such an approach creates some fan frustration and elevated levels of expectations (often unrealistic).

Notwithstanding some fan grumbling about "one and dones", UK has not enjoyed the level of team success it has experienced during any prior 8 year period since Adolph Rupp coached UK in the late 40's and early 50's. Prior to Coach Cal becoming our coach, UK had not been to a Final Four in 12 years. Since Cal arrived, UK has been to the Final Four 4 times in 8 years and has won a national championship.

Since Cal arrived, UK has enjoyed its greatest national media exposure and it has been able to sign the largest number of high quality players in its storied basketball history. Indeed, in UK's remarkable basketball history, these times, under Coach Cal are special. We should appreciate this precious present rather than whine when one of our players opts to make millions in the NBA.

This is how I feel after debating it over the years. This truly is a great time to be a KY fan! When you weigh the pros and cons of it, we've come out better the majority of the time.

 

[BostonCat2001]

I think it would depend on how many kids thought they had a shot right out of high school. I honestly only see 5, maybe six kids going straight to the league every year. That wouldn't leave us with a bunch of 6'3 dudes, and there would be plenty of talent there. If 10 or more kids go straight to the league every year, you could be right.

you want a rule for just 5 kids? thats like spending how many millions of dollars to stop .00001% voter fraud.

its funny people are so upset over 1 and done players. those 5 guys you mentioned...yet how many transfers are there? in the month since the title game, there are already something like 500+ transfers.

are you going to prevent kids from transferring too? because under your idea...that number, which is already out of control, will spike.