automatic 2 FTs after 6 fouls in a half too. teams wont muck it up if they know they are going to the free throw line after just 6 fouls for 2 free points.
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automatic 2 FTs after 6 fouls in a half too. teams wont muck it up if they know they are going to the free throw line after just 6 fouls for 2 free points.
No it wouldn't. Defenders would just have to play defense. They only flop now when the offensive player has them beat.
I think once back in 1997 an offensive player tried to bully his way to the basket. The other 17,658 charges have been because the defender flopped to sell the call.
Yeah. If you hate watching the best, most skilled players in the world make plays from all over the court, it's totally awful. If you like watching guys pass the ball around 30 feet from the basket for 25 seconds before someone chucks up a 20 footer that barely draws iron, college basketball rocks the house.
That said, 6 fouls is a terrible idea. It would only add more muck to a game that's already pretty mucked up. I might, MIGHT get on board with the idea of eliminating the foul out. You could go to a system where any foul over 5 is an automatic technical.
Beyond that, this idea that foul calls are out of control in comparison to some unnamed time in the past is wrong. Fouls called were at an all-time historical low 4 seasons ago, and though they've gone up since, they're still not near historical highs.
This is exactly why 6 fouls is a stupid idea. Leave it at 5.If you allow 6 fouls they will be used. Does anyone really enjoy listening to the whistles and watching kids shoot FTs with the clock stopped? Screw that. Learn to play without fouling, let the clock run, and play ball.
I wouldn't mind it if all fouls resulted in free throws and not just shooting fouls up until 10. Make free throws more important and force players to take them more seriously. To many players only seem to be good at dunking or jacking up 3's. If not that then at least make all free throws one and ones. You miss the first you don't ever get a second attempt. Every free throw matters.
NBA plays 48 minutes (or one foul for every 8 minutes).agreed, get rid of that stupid blarge call
6 fouls ok - it's how the NBA does it
This is one of the best ideas I have heard in a long time. There's nothing more deflating about college basketball than the multiple secondary charges that are called and 90% of them are shitty calls. I actually dislike the charge all together. Get down and play defense. Who the hell puts their arms down and falls backwards to play defense?Get rid of the secondary defenders taking charges and give each player 6 fouls. I'm more than good with it.
Didn't they already change the rules on a secondary defender drawing a charge? Was that what made the defenders inside the circle not able to take charges rule?
yeah, I revised my stance on thatNBA plays 48 minutes (or one foul for every 8 minutes).
College plays 40 minutes (or one foul for every 8 minutes).
Hell, why call any offensive fouls then? Allow the ball handler to push off anytime he wants, allow post players to throw their elbow into the neck of their defender (like Shaq), but by all means make sure the offensive player isn't to be touched at all. For many teams taking charges is a way to protect the rim. And defensive rotations are a great thing to watch (and hard to teach) so the charge is an equalizer to smaller teams.
IMO, all it would do is increase the foul count and likelihood for a ref to call a borderline call a foul.
Here's a clue Dickie V, don't effing foul!
On another topic, how about four 10 minute quarters and get on the same page with every other level
of hoops where the game is measured in quarters and bring back the jump ball for the start of each
quarter and held possessions.
I don't care about the quarters vs half. I guess it might lead to a little more excitement (clock running down 4 times instead of 2).
I would be ok w/ jumpball to start a new half/quarter, but NOT for each tie-up. That artificially gives the advantage to the bigger guy/team.
DeCourcy agrees.Vitale's argument is stupid. He wants the college game to have 6 like the nba has. What the old timer doesn't realize is they have the same ratio of fouls per minutes played. One foul for every 8 minutes. It's the same, just shorter games. Most college players don't foul out most games.
It's a non-issue.
The best part about the quarters, imo, would be resetting the foul count more often.
Games where a team gets in the bonus 5 minutes in are tedious.
Or an offensive player using his arms and shoulders like that could be whistled for a player control foul like they should be... The charge doesn't equalize anything. It is a way toHell, why call any offensive fouls then? Allow the ball handler to push off anytime he wants, allow post players to throw their elbow into the neck of their defender (like Shaq), but by all means make sure the offensive player isn't to be touched at all. For many teams taking charges is a way to protect the rim. And defensive rotations are a great thing to watch (and hard to teach) so the charge is an equalizer to smaller teams.
Well, I guess if I had taken the time to actually READ the entire thread, I would have already known that! That's why my wife calls me Idiot...yeah, I revised my stance on that
You all made good points
Vitale thinks he is an opinion leader in college basketball. In reality, he is the worst TV analyst in college sports. He is shrill and self-promotional. Some analysts come from successful playing or coaching careers. Vitale was a terrible coach. Allowing 6 fouls is a stupid idea. How has college basketball survived this long with 5 fouls?
IMO, all it would do is increase the foul count and likelihood for a ref to call a borderline call a foul.
Here's a clue Dickie V, don't effing foul!
On another topic, how about four 10 minute quarters and get on the same page with every other level
of hoops where the game is measured in quarters and bring back the jump ball for the start of each
quarter and held possessions.
The NCAA had to basically do away with the jump ball because most of the refs couldn't simply couldn't toss the ball up right.
Why anyone would want a college ref to emulate an NBA ref is beyond me. Those hacks can't even get a traveling call right.
I feel like it's an unpopular opinion, but I don't mind alternating possession. You can say it "punishes the defense" but I really don't see it that way. It's a 50/50 turnover. And going with jump ball, you "punish the defense" if guard collapse and tie up a big man. Offense will win almost all of those tips.
Huh ? The NBA is the best it has been in a long time and the viewing numbers back that up . It isn't 2005 anymore .I think we can all agree that the last thing anybody wants to see is college ball become the slow garbage product the NBA has become... at least IMO.
Huh ? The NBA is the best it has been in a long time and the viewing numbers back that up . It isn't 2005 anymore .
NBA refs are IMO (with a few exceptions) far superior and much more consistent than your typical NCAA ref.
As far as overlooking traveling, yes that can be an issue at times for the NBA. But I would submit as a counter that 1.) it's actually harder to travel than many people assume, especially if players use a proper jump-stop and 2.) NCAA refs often call players for traveling which actually isn't (when you slow it down and look at the pivot in relation to what's happening with the ball.) It seems anything that looks rushed or awkward in any way is called a travel by default.