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Update - takes from earlier in the season

Yes, but have you seen what our ranking is ASIDE from using November and December? So if you look at our defensive ranking in our last 10 games, we're looking like we're in a pretty good position.
You mean back from when we were playing cupcakes? Throw that out?

Like I said, we are trending upward, but almost no teams with a defensive efficiency of worse than 50 have made the Final Four (other than Miami last year). And we're still 19 in the NET (I think that's low) and 17 on KenPom (which is closer).

I'm pretty high on the team right now, but I still think our ceiling is Elite 8. And that's just kind of so-so for UK.

At various points of the season including before it began, I said 11 or 12 losses. As it stands we're looking solidly at 10 more than likely. So...it would end up an exciting, fun season to watch, but still not really up to expectations.
 
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Fans are going to be upset and post negative things IN THE MOMENT. But the group than STILL after the strong finish, just cannot let go of their hate for Cal. While I agree he did deserve some criticism at points during the year, rather than be honest and post positive things that he has changed, they continue with the bashing and even picking things wrong in a win. Even going so far to say that UK won in spite of Cal, that the players won it. Well OK if you want to go that route, but when they lose, be consistent and say the players lost it.
Not if they win, they won in spite of Cal, 0 credit. If the loss, ALL Cal, 100% of the credit. Some of the crazies can't even enjoy the big wins.
It maybe different for others, but I still prefer Cal leave. We've had about 3 weeks of good basketball lately. That doesn't change the fact that he doesn't care about wins and losses throughout the year. We the fans care about all of the games. It doesn't mean we expect to win them all, but we do want the team to win key out of conference games and win the SEC (it's been to many years since we have). To not lose to mid majors on our home floor. Not losing 3 in a row and 4 total at home would be a plus as well.

We care about winning the SEC Tournament. Cal does not. He even said the only tournament he cares about is the last one. His goals here just don't align with the goals most fans want. We don't care about having draft picks, all star game participants, and generational wealth. We care about Kentucky basketball. He needs a strong finish in the tournaments. Both have been disappointing in recent years.

We should be playing in the SEC Tournament Championship Game and get to a Final Four or better or this season will be a failure again. We likely won't have a team like this one that can shoot this well for a long time (if ever). I'm pulling for the players to do well and bring home a championship, but Cal can still take a hike. This job isn't meant for a long term coach anymore. Even Cal said that 10 years is about it for coaching here. We need someone that's hungry for wins and puts the program first.
 
My favorite is the ZONE argument. Without looking it up, I'll guess at least half of our losses came against teams shooting 3s way above their average. Just raining circus shots on us. A zone would not have stopped this. It might have made it worse.
Let's all take note of the fact that Mike-Mcdouche has completely disappeared since the winning streak began. A perfect example of an actual troll.
Posters like yourself confuse the zone talk with mixing in some zone when needed with all zone all the time. Hardly anyone has ever advocated for playing zone all the time or even half the time, rather for a few possessions when needed to stop the rhythm the other team has gotten in (Gonzaga for example). It’s like being a baseball pitcher. If all you are going to bring is a fastball it better be a damn good fastball. All cal brings is the fastball with this team and it’s about 88 MPH. It’s no wonder we give up so many home runs.
 
Can we just let the tournaments play out before both sides start pointing the finger at others. I love how we finished the regular season, but as of right now we haven’t won anything of worth.
This. We’ve won jack crap yet. We are 23-8 and haven’t finished the season. Could finish great! Could also flame out. This thread reeks of “Told you so!” And fumbling the ball in the 1 while doing a stupid ass TD celebration on a runout.

I hope we win out and win it all. But we’ve got a lot of games left before that happens.
 
Being a fan should be more about supporting your team than looking for every single reason (some of them fake) to criticize your team. That's just my opinion - support your team, not relish in criticism. Team looks pretty good right now, but still some "fans" looking for reasons to hate. Here's some of my favorites from the season so far:

We should NEVER play Justin Edwards - yeah ok, look at him now

DJ should NOT be getting any minutes - yeah ok, look at him now

Will we even make the NCAA Tournament - that's been answered for you

Can't play Ugo, he just clogs the lane - and blocks nearly every shot in the paint!

Cal doesn't let Reed shoot enough - lol, that's my favorite - what an absolute joke!

We aren't even a top 5 team in our own conference - well yes, yes we are

This team can't win playing man to man, HAVE to play zone - we can, and have been, winning with M2M defense

We're bound for disaster because we lost 3 home games in a row - So? We have arguably the best collective wins in the entire nation, primed for a top 3 seed in the NCAA-T, and most likely NOT being sent out west.
Nothing has been accomplished yet. Don’t go spiking swaggy Cals football at midfield
 
I'll try to tackle these point by point, but I'll start out with this: so If I prove to you that posters/twitter takes were saying NOT to play Justin and DJ, then what? You can claim it's embelished, but that's just a claim. One claim vs another. Is what it is. But absolutely it was being said
1. There was a loud part of the fanbase that did NOT "root like hell" for DJ and Justin. My post was about takes that had circulated across BBN, not what the collective fanbase claimed. So think about that for a second: did you ever see posters/twitter calling for the benching of Justin and DJ? Come on, it was everywhere
2. I don't think we were ever in jeopardy of missing the tournament. Sure, dooms-dayers on here and Cal-haters on here wanted you to believe that, but wasn't true. A "bad" seed, yeah I agree with you
3. Ugo is needed. Not every game for 36 mins, and same with Z, but he's needed. My 5-year old goes crazy for Big Z. He came into the game vs Tenn, and I actually thought to myself, when's the last game Z made a 3? Feel like he went crazy vs Georgia, maybe a 3 vs Vandy too, but I feel like he hasn't shot well lately
4. 100% posters said Cal limits Reed and Cal doesn't let him shoot like others. 100%. If you want me to dig it up, I will - but 100% was said on here, and that Reed isn't allowed to because he "Wasn't a 5-star that go promises". Again, 100%
5. You keep mentioning hindsight. Ok sure. But it's much more ignorant to make lazy, hyper-critical claims early in the season or halfway thru the season and think that's just how it is. Lazy, ignorant. I'd actually challenge you to go back and read some of the posts from earlier in the season. Call it hindsight bias, fine - but I'd rather be the guy not looking like a dumba$$ in November and December making dumb post after dumb post, just because I'm too lazy and impatient to see how it's all going to play out.

My OP doesn't have anything to do with division, that's on YOU if that's how you want to interpret it. It has everything to do with slow down, relax, be a fan and then after the season criticize whatever your heart desires. But we got dudes on Instagram hopping on Justin Edwards "live" and telling him to transfer.

Best part about this is, all the people that had these takes are extremely happy right now, because of the way Kentucky is playing and their newfound outlook for the tournament.

The only people that seem miserable are the ones digging stuff up.
 
Sure, totally get that. And I think these boards DO have a decent amount of discourse and good discussion. But for me, it's more the "Cal made promises to Justin so that's why he'll never stop playing him" - that's not an opinion, that's a flat-out lie just fueled by Cal-hatred. And so on and so forth.

And like I said to another poster, there's "fans" literally hopping on these players' social media and telling them to transfer, telling them to leave, telling them to give the ball to Reed more, etc.
With the Cal will never stop playing him thing, his minutes nose dived until he found himself, with a few games that he played more than I expected, but for the most part Cal took him out when we were needing wins and he just want producing. He stayed with Justin through the season, but also didn't let it interfere with the season. The season still was rough but Cal has done a few things I never expected this season. We have actually ran a good amount of inbound plays. Reeves normally getting him room to operate mid range or drive baseline.
 
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Best part about this is, all the people that had these takes are extremely happy right now, because of the way Kentucky is playing and their newfound outlook for the tournament.

The only people that seem miserable are the ones digging stuff up.
False. Lots of people with these "takes" are finding new things to complain about with this team.
Big Z isn't playing enough
Reed/Rob still not starting
Defense still sucks
Cal will find a way to ruin it
Cal hates the SEC-Tournament
Etc, Etc, Etc.
 
Being a fan should be more about supporting your team than looking for every single reason (some of them fake) to criticize your team. That's just my opinion - support your team, not relish in criticism. Team looks pretty good right now, but still some "fans" looking for reasons to hate. Here's some of my favorites from the season so far:

We should NEVER play Justin Edwards - yeah ok, look at him now

DJ should NOT be getting any minutes - yeah ok, look at him now

Will we even make the NCAA Tournament - that's been answered for you

Can't play Ugo, he just clogs the lane - and blocks nearly every shot in the paint!

Cal doesn't let Reed shoot enough - lol, that's my favorite - what an absolute joke!

We aren't even a top 5 team in our own conference - well yes, yes we are

This team can't win playing man to man, HAVE to play zone - we can, and have been, winning with M2M defense

We're bound for disaster because we lost 3 home games in a row - So? We have arguably the best collective wins in the entire nation, primed for a top 3 seed in the NCAA-T, and most likely NOT being sent out west.
You must have been sleeping during all of the bad games.
 
I'm still not taking back the things I say about Cal. I'm LOD for life. One of the OG lurkers that were here back in the day.

I'm trying not to get started here, but I still am ready to move on from Cal. I simply call it like it is with Cal. I can live perfectly with that. But I never needed him to ever come here and tell me what the greatest moment in Kentucky basketball history is. The NBA Draft ? Are you serious ?!?

This basketball bennie had a red flag with that on him from that moment forward.

I don't have confidence with the man as our coach any longer.

All that I can say is that : I hope the boys can win in spite of the coach, if needs be. They've done well with that so far this year.
The same way the 98 team won remembering everything they learned from Pitino against the directions of Tubby, you can actually watch Tubby's reactions to their plays and you can see his anger and bewilderment like what the hell are they doing, because he never coached a team that way. If they had followed his instructions to the T they might not have won a title.
 
What people said was that we needed less DJ and less Edwards. At that time, that was the truth. Neither one of them deserved a starting spot. I mean, literally every single analyst said the exact same thing, and some STILL do. So, OP isn’t getting anyone here on a “gotcha”! Lmao lame!
 
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Posters like yourself confuse the zone talk with mixing in some zone when needed with all zone all the time. Hardly anyone has ever advocated for playing zone all the time or even half the time, rather for a few possessions when needed to stop the rhythm the other team has gotten in (Gonzaga for example). It’s like being a baseball pitcher. If all you are going to bring is a fastball it better be a damn good fastball. All cal brings is the fastball with this team and it’s about 88 MPH. It’s no wonder we give up so many home runs.
This! You gotta change it up sometimes! Shouldn’t play the exact same way for 40 damn games.
 
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I'll try to tackle these point by point, but I'll start out with this: so If I prove to you that posters/twitter takes were saying NOT to play Justin and DJ, then what? You can claim it's embelished, but that's just a claim. One claim vs another. Is what it is. But absolutely it was being said
1. There was a loud part of the fanbase that did NOT "root like hell" for DJ and Justin. My post was about takes that had circulated across BBN, not what the collective fanbase claimed. So think about that for a second: did you ever see posters/twitter calling for the benching of Justin and DJ? Come on, it was everywhere
2. I don't think we were ever in jeopardy of missing the tournament. Sure, dooms-dayers on here and Cal-haters on here wanted you to believe that, but wasn't true. A "bad" seed, yeah I agree with you
3. Ugo is needed. Not every game for 36 mins, and same with Z, but he's needed. My 5-year old goes crazy for Big Z. He came into the game vs Tenn, and I actually thought to myself, when's the last game Z made a 3? Feel like he went crazy vs Georgia, maybe a 3 vs Vandy too, but I feel like he hasn't shot well lately
4. 100% posters said Cal limits Reed and Cal doesn't let him shoot like others. 100%. If you want me to dig it up, I will - but 100% was said on here, and that Reed isn't allowed to because he "Wasn't a 5-star that go promises". Again, 100%
5. You keep mentioning hindsight. Ok sure. But it's much more ignorant to make lazy, hyper-critical claims early in the season or halfway thru the season and think that's just how it is. Lazy, ignorant. I'd actually challenge you to go back and read some of the posts from earlier in the season. Call it hindsight bias, fine - but I'd rather be the guy not looking like a dumba$$ in November and December making dumb post after dumb post, just because I'm too lazy and impatient to see how it's all going to play out.

My OP doesn't have anything to do with division, that's on YOU if that's how you want to interpret it. It has everything to do with slow down, relax, be a fan and then after the season criticize whatever your heart desires. But we got dudes on Instagram hopping on Justin Edwards "live" and telling him to transfer.
There was a girl raped at a party and it turns out she was flirting a little at the party. She received over 1000 tweets saying she got what she deserved. Some even suggested she kill herself for being a wh$&er. Point is. There are a lot of crazy people out there. You can’t make sense of crazy.
 
Posters like yourself confuse the zone talk with mixing in some zone when needed with all zone all the time. Hardly anyone has ever advocated for playing zone all the time or even half the time, rather for a few possessions when needed to stop the rhythm the other team has gotten in (Gonzaga for example). It’s like being a baseball pitcher. If all you are going to bring is a fastball it better be a damn good fastball. All cal brings is the fastball with this team and it’s about 88 MPH. It’s no wonder we give up so many home runs.
You expect ohio state fans to know basketball?
 
False. Lots of people with these "takes" are finding new things to complain about with this team.
Big Z isn't playing enough
Reed/Rob still not starting
Defense still sucks
Cal will find a way to ruin it
Cal hates the SEC-Tournament
Etc, Etc, Etc.
Good to see you got another account bassfan
 
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Another day. Another thread. Another sock puppet arguing the same shit. In before they delete it when they get frustrated nobody agrees with them again. It’s pathological at this point.
 
Maybe it’s just a social experiment to see if we’ll actually keep coming back even when they delete every thread. Makes this place super valuable. Nothing better than having your time wasted by total strangers.
 
threads like this are just as bad as in the moment complaints

lets recap the season at the moment

did UK win the SEC regular season? no
did UK secure a #1 (or #2) in the tournament? no
has UK won the SECT? no, not yet
has UK made a deep run in the tournament? no, not yet

so what has UK proved as a team to date? they are capable of beating good teams., that's it - let me preface that. they are capable of beating good SEC teams.

that is not the standard of UK by any stretch

its not about looking to hate, but its not about having a little stretch of the team actually looking like a UK team should look and then jumping on here to have some lame call out thread.

Maybe some of the fans are OK with UK losing embarrassing games at the start of the season, not being able to beat good teams until mid February, having no shot at the SEC regular season or securing a #1 or #2 seed, and get a few exciting wins at the end of the season in return.

While I prefer this team doing well now rather than the alternative of them going .500 , they haven't met any bar of UK standards, they have simply performed like you'd expect a talented freshmen team to perform

But what I'm not going to do is celebrate a turn around that UK is back! until the team actually accomplishes something noteworthy.

and just because Edwards is playing well now doesn't justify him being played extensively when he wasn't, same with Wagner. There were lineups where Cal could have been more dedicated to playing consistent producers that might have resulted in wins, positioning the program to be a #1 or #2 seed, extending the all time wins lead and helping the team win compete to win the SEC regular season.

I won't speak to the other points but for now, I'd say the best move is to enjoy the team and hold off on the proclamations until the fans are certain there is no St. Peters out there that has UK's number.
 
Here's the thing, and I'm surprised some of you always miss this point:

It's a message board. You actually make a conscious choice to come to this website to have discussions. If we don't discuss the negatives--there's not very much to talk about at times.

I disagree with a lot of takes on here. But that gives me something to have a discussion about. If EVERYONE had the same thoughts, there wouldn't really be a point in coming here.
It's negatives of a form of entertainment. The spiteful tone has been that Calipari is more a villain than Benedict Arnold, and the posters all assume the knowledge of a combined Claire Bee, John Wooden, and Bobby Knight. Meanwhile, their grievance has left them poised to do something dreadful. Really they haven't any other choice.
 
Here's the thing, and I'm surprised some of you always miss this point:

It's a message board. You actually make a conscious choice to come to this website to have discussions. If we don't discuss the negatives--there's not very much to talk about at times.

I disagree with a lot of takes on here. But that gives me something to have a discussion about. If EVERYONE had the same thoughts, there wouldn't really be a point in coming here.
And you miss the point. "Over-reactions" are not productive, can actually be quite negative. If there are reasons to be concerned, heck yes discuss them. But things like "player X should never see the court" and other Over-Reactions are just stupid.
 
threads like this are just as bad as in the moment complaints

lets recap the season at the moment

did UK win the SEC regular season? no
did UK secure a #1 (or #2) in the tournament? no
has UK won the SECT? no, not yet
has UK made a deep run in the tournament? no, not yet

so what has UK proved as a team to date? they are capable of beating good teams., that's it - let me preface that. they are capable of beating good SEC teams.

that is not the standard of UK by any stretch

its not about looking to hate, but its not about having a little stretch of the team actually looking like a UK team should look and then jumping on here to have some lame call out thread.

Maybe some of the fans are OK with UK losing embarrassing games at the start of the season, not being able to beat good teams until mid February, having no shot at the SEC regular season or securing a #1 or #2 seed, and get a few exciting wins at the end of the season in return.

While I prefer this team doing well now rather than the alternative of them going .500 , they haven't met any bar of UK standards, they have simply performed like you'd expect a talented freshmen team to perform

But what I'm not going to do is celebrate a turn around that UK is back! until the team actually accomplishes something noteworthy.

and just because Edwards is playing well now doesn't justify him being played extensively when he wasn't, same with Wagner. There were lineups where Cal could have been more dedicated to playing consistent producers that might have resulted in wins, positioning the program to be a #1 or #2 seed, extending the all time wins lead and helping the team win compete to win the SEC regular season.

I won't speak to the other points but for now, I'd say the best move is to enjoy the team and hold off on the proclamations until the fans are certain there is no St. Peters out there that has UK's number.
No P5 team in the country has done 2 of those 4 yet, nor had the opportunity to do them.
And a #2 seed, while a long shot, IS possible. We win the SEC-T and I think we are a 2 seed.

And when Edwards was sucking, I was saying "he wasn't giving us anything on the floor". But your statement that he was "being played extensively" is false. For much of the season (21 game stretch) he was playing 18-19 mpg. Less than half the game. That is not "extensively". And I was saying that while I didn't want him playing "starter minutes" (25+, and he wasn't), that I thought we did need him to get some minutes to try and get him going because for this team to reach it's desired goal we would need more than just the 3-4 guards, and that he was our best chance at having an impactful player in the frontcourt (back when we thought NCAA would not Free Z).
 
This board has really, really declined in the last year or two. People just want drama and they want to be vulgar and call people names. There is a ton of stuff now that didn't use to be allowed.
yes... coincides with the UL meltdown.. Just happened this way?.... a lot of these trolls, recently joining are UL fans in drag....
 
Think you have embellished a bit or taken the worst of worst takes you could find to try and prove a point.

This fan base collectively rooted like hell for Edwards to show some signs of life. After 20 games it wasn’t happening. The mantra was he should have to earn his minutes with better play and not just given minutes. He finally did. Was that because cal kept playing him and he finally came around or because the shepherd family offered up their mental health coach to help him? Whichever one it was I am glad it worked as we are a different team with Edwards playing well.

Same for DJ- very few said he should never play, rather not play 30 minutes per game while dilly plays 18. DJ plays his best when on the floor with two other guards yet he still starts the game as one of 2 on the floor but I digress.

We were in jeopardy of playing ourselves out of the tournament or at the very least a horrible seed. To suggest otherwise is hindsight. Team came together and pulled out some wins that there for a bit did not look possible with how we were playing.

One thing has become clear with our bigs and that is by committee. I’m one guilty of thinking Z had seperated himself and should be getting the lions share of the minutes. Wasn’t just me either as many national pundits said the same indicating big Z is a difference maker and takes uk to another level. That is still true but there is a place for Ugo on the team when he is playing his role well. One thing none of of bigs offer is consistency every single game and with that it is a luxury to see which one of them have it for what is needed on that given night.

Again don’t think anyone ever said cal didn’t let Reed shoot it- I mean seriously I’ve never read that and I’m on here daily as well as seeing many comments on other social media sites. Not running plays for him, sure, questioning does he encourage Reed to shoot more or even tell him to shoot more. Some players need to be told to be more selfish than they are without forcing things obviously.

Lastly again this last point is merely the luxury of hindsight. We were literally in 5th place of the conference standings the last half of the SEC regular season. And still easily could have ended up 5th with a loss at UT and other games falling correctly. Fortunately we pulled out the W and that didn’t happen.

Your post really did nothing but try and build division amongst the fans heading into the most exciting part of the season. Maybe that was your intention, who knows!!!!!
Not a thing wrong with this post....
 
No P5 team in the country has done 2 of those 4 yet, nor had the opportunity to do them.
And a #2 seed, while a long shot, IS possible. We win the SEC-T and I think we are a 2 seed.
that was my point.

UK hasn't proved anything yet so why start threads calling fans out when you know that if UK fails to reach any reasonable goals (which again, so far they haven't reached ANY of them) there will be twice as many call out threads later on.

and fwiw, I don't think there has been any situation I can recall where winning the SECT has gained us a seeding. that we didn't think UK already had locked up before
 
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The “gotcha” gang just doesn’t get it.

They never wait long enough to do this. At least wait until we’ve made……the elite 8? Heck, most people’s standards have been lowered to the sweet 16.

Or how bout this….just make it to the SEC championship? I’d be thrilled to just play on Sunday.

All concerns and reactions from earlier in the year were valid. If you were going through those times with a smile on your face thinking everything is fine…..you are probably a serial killer or belong in a mental institution.
 
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Being a fan should be more about supporting your team than looking for every single reason (some of them fake) to criticize your team. That's just my opinion - support your team, not relish in criticism. Team looks pretty good right now, but still some "fans" looking for reasons to hate. Here's some of my favorites from the season so far:

We should NEVER play Justin Edwards - yeah ok, look at him now

DJ should NOT be getting any minutes - yeah ok, look at him now

Will we even make the NCAA Tournament - that's been answered for you

Can't play Ugo, he just clogs the lane - and blocks nearly every shot in the paint!

Cal doesn't let Reed shoot enough - lol, that's my favorite - what an absolute joke!

We aren't even a top 5 team in our own conference - well yes, yes we are

This team can't win playing man to man, HAVE to play zone - we can, and have been, winning with M2M defense

We're bound for disaster because we lost 3 home games in a row - So? We have arguably the best collective wins in the entire nation, primed for a top 3 seed in the NCAA-T, and most likely NOT being sent out west.
You really thought you had something here, huh?
 
You really thought your comment was clever, huh? Fail
No, not really. Just pointing out the idiocy of making that post, when at the time and in the moment, all those concerns were valid. And if we don't play well in the post season, this will bite you in the ass.
 
The “gotcha” gang just doesn’t get it.

They never wait long enough to do this. At least wait until we’ve made……the elite 8? Heck, most people’s standards have been lowered to the sweet 16.

Or how bout this….just make it to the SEC championship? I’d be thrilled to just play on Sunday.

All concerns and reactions from earlier in the year were valid. If you were going through those times with a smile on your face thinking everything is fine…..you are probably a serial killer or belong in a mental institution.
Or, and hang with me for a second, the rationale fans actually know that it's foolish to think the young team would be peaking in November. Again, hang with me for a second, maybe the rationale fans prefer to root/cheer for their team rather than bury them with criticism. And again, hang with me for a second, maybe those fans realize how we play in February and March is a much, much more important barometer for success than how we play in December?

I don't know, maybe the irrational can never understand the rational
 
No, not really. Just pointing out the idiocy of making that post, when at the time and in the moment, all those concerns were valid. And if we don't play well in the post season, this will bite you in the ass.
I'm shaking in my boots buddy
 
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