UofL In Deep Doo-Doo... Tim Sullivan: Former infractions chair says Louisville faces high bar.
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The dang program is rated XXX from top to bottom. The state of Kentucky should make you be over 21 to go to a UL game.
If the financial penalties are the money received for playing in the ACC and NCAA tournaments they will not get that reduced.
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That certainly explains where the "players were forced to attend the parties" BS comes from.
Yes it does. It's crazy some of the crap spewing out of UofL.
It would appear the "no value" argument has been UL's contention from the get go and through their initial interview's/negotiations with the NCAA. COI obviously didn't buy it and carefully laid out the punishment to make the argument null and void. UL has to stick with it, because they don't really have any else of substance (not that the no value argument has any).
Since it is obvious that the "no value" argument isn't going to fly, UL has also introduced emotional BS of "don't hurt the innocent kids". First it was the innocent kids who never went to the parties like Hancock, and then the even more absurd contention of the innocent kids who were forced into it, like Russ Smith and Chane Behannon. They must have been handcuffed to the bed. LOL!. The innocent kids slant has practically no merit however since all of the players, whether they went or not, had to have known what was going on and therefore are very culpable for not reporting it to Rick (snicker, snicker). Seriously, why would such a fine upstanding young man, and team leader, like Luke Hancock not report this stuff to Rick??? Not even an anonymous note slid under his office door???
UL is also trying to hide behind their self imposed punishment as "sufficient". To me the big fallacy/irony in this is that said punishment has really only "hurt the innocent kids". The post season ban hurt the players, most of whom weren't there for the parties and the ones who were (Mathiang, etc.) weren't there the whole 4 year period.
What UL hasn't done is self punish the people who were responsible for the mess. Like Rick for instance, and his assistants, and gasp(!), even Sir Tom the Righteous himself. Andre McGee got his I suppose, losing his $75k (speculation on my part) assistant's salary from wherever it was. But Rick is still getting his cabillion dollar a year salary and I assume his assistant's are nicely compensated as well.
The whole facade that "nobody knew except AM and a handful of players" is so beyond laughable I don't know what to say. And even if by the most miraculous of miracles that Rick didn't know, the undisputable fact that he should have is only slightly less culpable than if he did know. Either scenario would cost him his job along with his assistants at practically any other university.
The fact that Rick and Tom can't even remotely acknowledge the fact that they should have known, and therefore bear some responsibility, along with the other defiant tone they have taken since the punishments were announced (and probably during their interviews with NCAA) is a large reason they are in the situation they are in today. The FF and title banners are coming down.
The only way they could have remotely had a chance to save them would have been for Rick to resign (back communicated to the NCAA as forced out) immediately following the season of the self imposed tourney ban. At that point it was obvious to the world that UL was admitting to at least a significant portion of the allegations. But they decided to play hardball and now find themselves hiding behind "don't punish the innocent kids". So beyond shameful, I really don't know what else to say.
Since it is obvious that the "no value" argument isn't going to fly, UL has also introduced emotional BS of "don't hurt the innocent kids". First it was the innocent kids who never went to the parties like Hancock, and then the even more absurd contention of the innocent kids who were forced into it, like Russ Smith and Chane Behannon. They must have been handcuffed to the bed. LOL!. The innocent kids slant has practically no merit however since all of the players, whether they went or not, had to have known what was going on and therefore are very culpable for not reporting it to Rick (snicker, snicker). Seriously, why would such a fine upstanding young man, and team leader, like Luke Hancock not report this stuff to Rick??? Not even an anonymous note slid under his office door???
UL is also trying to hide behind their self imposed punishment as "sufficient". To me the big fallacy/irony in this is that said punishment has really only "hurt the innocent kids". The post season ban hurt the players, most of whom weren't there for the parties and the ones who were (Mathiang, etc.) weren't there the whole 4 year period.
What UL hasn't done is self punish the people who were responsible for the mess. Like Rick for instance, and his assistants, and gasp(!), even Sir Tom the Righteous himself. Andre McGee got his I suppose, losing his $75k (speculation on my part) assistant's salary from wherever it was. But Rick is still getting his cabillion dollar a year salary and I assume his assistant's are nicely compensated as well.
The whole facade that "nobody knew except AM and a handful of players" is so beyond laughable I don't know what to say. And even if by the most miraculous of miracles that Rick didn't know, the undisputable fact that he should have is only slightly less culpable than if he did know. Either scenario would cost him his job along with his assistants at practically any other university.
The fact that Rick and Tom can't even remotely acknowledge the fact that they should have known, and therefore bear some responsibility, along with the other defiant tone they have taken since the punishments were announced (and probably during their interviews with NCAA) is a large reason they are in the situation they are in today. The FF and title banners are coming down.
The only way they could have remotely had a chance to save them would have been for Rick to resign (back communicated to the NCAA as forced out) immediately following the season of the self imposed tourney ban. At that point it was obvious to the world that UL was admitting to at least a significant portion of the allegations. But they decided to play hardball and now find themselves hiding behind "don't punish the innocent kids". So beyond shameful, I really don't know what else to say.
Great post.
I am not sure how the committee could rightfully employ the hypothetical UL is trying to declare in regard to the notion that the ineligible players would have been reinstated if only caught earlier...?
As a board member, I could easily sympathize with the UL attorneys and say...
"Yes, I agree, they definitely could have been reinstated... had your school reported the violation much earlier, like... before the championship season. But you didn't, so we will never know, and you surely do not expect the four of us to set a precedent of establishing punishments on the basis of defending programs utilizing a defense of "well...what if this would have happened, instead of what really did happen?", do you?"
You mean they could have been reinstated if they gave back the blow jobs?
They are grasping at straws, who knows with the NCAA...
The strange thing is how un-embarrassed the fans of UL (and UNC) are regarding this situation.
The only real hope would seem to be to totally clean house and ask for mercy....immediately.
Shame the NCAA is pathetic and that 2 major universities do not have the decency or principles to put the school above a sports team.
Don't forget about the parents of those recruits as well. I guess you could say UofL and Katina provided "full service" to all family members.
Exactly. Which explains how an appeal that was presumably written by an accomplished and well regarded lawyer ended up conceding/arguing that a coach effectively hired hookers to sexually assault recruits.
It is time to eliminate ul. It should be restructured as part of the University of Kentucky and be run by the UK administration. All the athletics should be eliminated.
The University of Kentucky at Louisville.
A commuter school located on the Ohio River in Jefferson County. The place where students gather and dream of what might have been.
Sex changes for all of the girls paid for by the university for the act then, reverse the operation to the original configuration if wanted. Heck they might want to stay that way and play for UL. They still have eligibility left. They were red skirted for that season.
Same rules as in football. Requires video evidence to overturn the call. Sadly Louisville lost all the Menardi Hall tapes.
I no longer post on the main CBB. @Shawn (uk7spd) and @jarms24 continue to carry the torch. Shawn has laid waste to the asinine word vomit of the UL trash that posts there and it's hysterical. Someway and somehow, the arguments from fans of that cesspool program get dumber and dumber.
Just wanted to post that and say keep up the good work.
Just wanted to post that and say keep up the good work.
And that's the whole point. They will rescind the vacate decision SIMPLY because what unc did is a much more egregious violation of what the ncaa is responsible for governing...and there are NO circumstances in which they would take a banner from unc.
Hmmm. That's not my impression of the consensus view. I mean, on one hand I think I get where you're coming from: the UNC case and s about academic fraud, which goes to the very heart of student athletics, which is what the NCAA is supposed to be about.
But whatever you think of each case, Louisville's #HookersInDorms scandal was about providing benefits solely to athletes. Making it squarely in the purview of the NCAA. The fake classes at UNC were not provided just to athletes, which creates questions as to whether it's an appropriate issue for the NCAA.
And that's a problem. IMO, the unc issue resulted in their players not being required to take and pass legitimate courses in order to remain eligible, whereas they did/do at other universities. This gives them a competitive advantage. However, as you say, they apparently made these bogus courses available to non-athletes. SO....they will skate with the ncaa, but the truth is that it certainly or should tarnish the university's academic reputation. Which, in reality, would be a much bigger issue for the university's alums and potential future graduates......
Then again, who cares about academics when it comes to going to college?
I'll simply say " do NOT set the couch on fire in the formal living room" and just leave it at that.
What about...
1.) RP and UofL have separate attorneys. If UofL fans think RP won't save his career first they are going to be in for a rude awakening.
2.) The NCAA implemented the new rule saying a coach can no longer say they "didn't know what was going on" anymore and the "lack of institutional control" violation would be punished higher than ever. The NCAA announced the rule change in Feb. 2013.
3.) Andre McGee was given the harshest penalty. He too has his own lawyer and mysteriously decided to not cooperate with the NCAA. Personally I think the NCAA gave him 10-years worth of reasons to cooperate this time around.
4.) Antonio Blakeney was interviewed by the NCAA. "Less than two weeks later, Blakeney is back on the market. He decommitted from Louisville on Monday night. "I feel like I made a quick emotional decision based on some of the wrong reasons," Blakeney told CBSSports.com."
5.) "In February 2015, Pitino dismissed senior guard Chris Jones from the team just before his arrest for rape and sodomy of two women in a campus dorm. A grand jury declined to indict Jones and two other men in the incident." Pitino knew about that BEFORE Jones was arrested. Now the story is that RP didn't know anything about the 22 shows performed by Powell and associates?
** I'm still waiting for Jeremy Tyler's book to come out about his recruitment by Pitino.
1.) RP and UofL have separate attorneys. If UofL fans think RP won't save his career first they are going to be in for a rude awakening.
2.) The NCAA implemented the new rule saying a coach can no longer say they "didn't know what was going on" anymore and the "lack of institutional control" violation would be punished higher than ever. The NCAA announced the rule change in Feb. 2013.
3.) Andre McGee was given the harshest penalty. He too has his own lawyer and mysteriously decided to not cooperate with the NCAA. Personally I think the NCAA gave him 10-years worth of reasons to cooperate this time around.
4.) Antonio Blakeney was interviewed by the NCAA. "Less than two weeks later, Blakeney is back on the market. He decommitted from Louisville on Monday night. "I feel like I made a quick emotional decision based on some of the wrong reasons," Blakeney told CBSSports.com."
5.) "In February 2015, Pitino dismissed senior guard Chris Jones from the team just before his arrest for rape and sodomy of two women in a campus dorm. A grand jury declined to indict Jones and two other men in the incident." Pitino knew about that BEFORE Jones was arrested. Now the story is that RP didn't know anything about the 22 shows performed by Powell and associates?
** I'm still waiting for Jeremy Tyler's book to come out about his recruitment by Pitino.
Rick is furious with Al Gore for inventing the internet. No more secrets and denials.
Just think, if Louisville didn't have a racist that dared to ask for "clean white girls", we would have never known about this.
i really am expecting the NCAA to stick to their guns on this. not because of the parties, not because of the actual infractions, but because UofL basically defied their rule and has talked bad about the NCAA decision to the media. if there is one thing the NCAA will not stand for is defiance and back talk from a university
I never bought this line. I think it had to do with something else.
Feb. 2015: Chris Jones, 2 others charged
Apr. 2015: Jones, 2 others dubiously cleared
Oct 2015: Katina Powell drops "Breaking Cardinal Rules"
Powell had to know this book was going to rain hellfire down on the program she was a clearly a fan of. She went scorched earth anyway and IMO it would have take a little more than that comment.
I understand what you are going thru. Reminds me exactly of that filth with Bill Clinton & Monica Lewinsky. I remember that I would be sitting in a room with my 9 year old niece at the time & that gutter, filth would come on tv and it was so embarrassing that I would change the channel as fast as I could. It would serve UL right if they got the death penalty
ul should have simply said "An anonymous source said the Russians were involved." Appeal taken care of!!!
This is when an AD is supposed to step up and lead the university !Then again it would have been a good time to do it when your coach embarrassed your program by having sex on a restaurant table, and then killing his unborn child. Did you hear anything from Tommy Turtle Neck ? So its no surprise he would look the other way and be ok with a coach hiring a prostitute for a 17 year old and their dad. The NCAA should shut that sewer down !!
Anyone think the posters who are obviously hoping UL keeps the banner move onto some other obscure subtle "anti UK " jargon whilst pretending to be a super duper UK fan?
One way to look at it is that total disregard for the program is a bigger slap in the face to them than the constant attention they get. To take a position of "you're not significant", "yeah, you've had some nice little accomplishments" or even a "your team doesn't merit our having a conversation" is more degrading than constantly casting perjoratives or belittling them.
Personally, I don't care if they lose the banner or not. It's just bball...It's not like it's Football. Even if they were to keep this banner and win another 10, they'd still be second best in Ky.
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