UL Baseball is a myth
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The myth just got to the CWS for the 2nd straight year. Better coach, better team. Stop the sour grapes stuff.
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Exactly, not a UofL lover by any means, but back to back CWS cannot be ignored. This should put more pressure on the UK athletics board to get busy on the, promised about 7 years ago, NEW BASEBALL STADIUM. But they will postpone it so some other project can be done. I do not know if UK will be in the NCAA tournament next year after losing 4 talented juniors to the MLB draft, along with 2 productive seniors. Still have some fine players returning, but it will be an uphill battle, with a lower ranked incoming class than usual.
Really glad to see all the discussion and new threads about UK baseball. Maybe we can put some pressure on UK athletics to build that new stadium with the next couple of seasons.
Again, that is just simply wrong. SEC has won 9 or 10 NCs since the BCS started, and many times their champion was given an invite despite having one loss, and once (2007) having two losses. You would never see an ACC champion be considered for the BCS bid with two losses, and probably not even with one. Thus, winning the NC from the SEC has not proven to be impossible, or even particularly difficult, especially since it was done 7 straight years and has been won by five different teams.
Not a snowballs chance they make it next year and I really don't think the stadium will be built anytime soon...And GH is here for at least three more years...
Um. No it's not. Just because the SEC won 9 or 10 national titles doesn't mean that it's EASIER to do so out of the SEC. You think Bama would have a few more national titles if they played in the ACC? Also, I've posted a link with comments from Bobby BOwden (this is from 2012, but made exactly the same statements in the 90s when FSU was first considering a move to the SEC).
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/17/bobby-bowdens-message-to-fsu-stay-in-the-acc/
UK is great in basketball. The results speak for themselves regardless of how many excuses I try to come up with. The same is true here. 3 College World Series appearances in 8 years, 2 in a row, only one program had more players drafted. Your thread title is ludicrous and your continued attempts to discredit the objective accomplishments are steeped in envy. Obviously you are hoping that the wheels come off with the ACC move, so you focus on the perceived increased difficulty in competition, and not the inherent advantages that will go hand and hand with it, even better recruiting, more money to spend, higher profile. U of L baseball is for real. The myth is your tortured attempt to rationalize our success and denigrate. it. I'll leave you with one word: OMAHA.
Apples and oranges, but you go ahead and enjoy your win.
Only UL would be lucky enough to be gifted with a host spot it didn't deserve and then get to play freakin Kennesaw State. LOL.
This will be my last response to this topic, as it's clear most either don't agree with my premise or you are unable to comprehend that it's possible that UL has a good program AND has been given praise and seeing / hosting gifts that it did not deserve. The two are not mutually exclusive. I've laid out some reasoning behind my opinion as food for thought, but c'est la vie.
UL should enjoy its CWS. It didn't deserve its peachy path to get there, but it got there. Gotta give UL credit for taking advantage of the opportunities to which it has been given.
i dislike UofL just like the next person but why always try to discredit any team who has gone to back to back CWS. We havent even been to a Super Regional so lets tip our hats off to their accomplishment and keep it moving. I just hate when people try to discredit our basketball team because of circumstances such as our #1 recruiting classes so why should we try to discredit them because of their circumstances even if they have an easier path. You play who is in front of you. You beat them , u get to see another day.
Just wanted to make a few comments about the OP.
As far as hosting the regional the choice between UL &UK might have been a toss up in rankings but UK finished 9th in the SEC and UL won the AAC and has a nice facility. The NCAA does think about these things.
The NCAA also looks at when you play teams. They realize unlike the OP that weekday games have to be discounted because teams are using a #4 starter or bullpen group to pitch not their prime weekend guys. Yes UL was 0-4 on these games to IU & UK. Both good teams but UL was using these games to develop young pitchers. Pretty sure the freshmen pitcher who lost both games to UK was much better when he faced UK last Sunday/ The other IU game was a Saturday in Feb and UL lost a close game late to IU
Next year UL will be in the ACC so you can put your UL plays in a weak conference stuff away for good.
AS another UL poster said UL has developed a brand in baseball. McDonnell has sold UL has a great place for Midwest kids to play baseball. He has sold them on UL being warmer than most B-10 schools and they play schedule that is full of weekday games with good teams like IU, Vandy, UK and other B-10 and SEC schools. Also UL has much more post season and draft success than any B-10 school even before this years 3rd trip to Omaha in 8 years. No SEC school has more in that period by the way.
The ACC will be a challenge no doubt. Much better weekend games but the ACC will also help UL in recruiting. PLaying those ACC schools in warm weather spots will be even more appealing to kids from the Midwest.
As far as hosting the regional the choice between UL &UK might have been a toss up in rankings but UK finished 9th in the SEC and UL won the AAC and has a nice facility. The NCAA does think about these things.
The NCAA also looks at when you play teams. They realize unlike the OP that weekday games have to be discounted because teams are using a #4 starter or bullpen group to pitch not their prime weekend guys. Yes UL was 0-4 on these games to IU & UK. Both good teams but UL was using these games to develop young pitchers. Pretty sure the freshmen pitcher who lost both games to UK was much better when he faced UK last Sunday/ The other IU game was a Saturday in Feb and UL lost a close game late to IU
Next year UL will be in the ACC so you can put your UL plays in a weak conference stuff away for good.
AS another UL poster said UL has developed a brand in baseball. McDonnell has sold UL has a great place for Midwest kids to play baseball. He has sold them on UL being warmer than most B-10 schools and they play schedule that is full of weekday games with good teams like IU, Vandy, UK and other B-10 and SEC schools. Also UL has much more post season and draft success than any B-10 school even before this years 3rd trip to Omaha in 8 years. No SEC school has more in that period by the way.
The ACC will be a challenge no doubt. Much better weekend games but the ACC will also help UL in recruiting. PLaying those ACC schools in warm weather spots will be even more appealing to kids from the Midwest.
1. As far as hosting the regional the choice between UL &UK might have been a toss up in rankings but UK finished 9th in the SEC and UL won the AAC and has a nice facility. The NCAA does think about these things.
This is actually the OPs entire point. That Louisville has a built in advantage simply because they are in the AAC. Had UK been in the AAC they would not have lost as many games and would be hosting. The OP is saying that a soft schedule has given UL the advantage of playing at home in the post season. You've made his entire point in one sentence.
2. The NCAA also looks at when you play teams. They realize unlike the OP that weekday games have to be discounted because teams are using a #4 starter or bullpen group to pitch not their prime weekend guys. Yes UL was 0-4 on these games to IU & UK. Both good teams but UL was using these games to develop young pitchers. Pretty sure the freshmen pitcher who lost both games to UK was much better when he faced UK last Sunday/ The other IU game was a Saturday in Feb and UL lost a close game late to IU.
I highly doubt that the NCAA discounts midweek games. If they did then UL would have just 4 wins against the RPI top 50. UK would have double that number. Plus, UK would have played a ton more games against the RPI top 50 compared to Louisville. So, most of UK's losses and wins would come from quality teams compared to Louisville getting wins against RPI 180, 108, 73, 83, 94, 252, 114, 132, 141, 226, and 163. Without your midweek games your schedule would be absolute crap and it is probably the only reason that you actually are as high as you are in the RPI. Without the midweek games your schedule likely drops from 60th (it was 80th before you played in the NCAA tournament) into the 100s. The NCAA definitely looks at midweek games, otherwise UL would have not had a snowballs chance at hosting with their terrible schedule. Which, once again, is the OPs entire point. Also... please don't use the "UL was using these games to develop freshmen pitchers!" excuse. That is what every single team is doing. They are developing them so they can help them in the post season when that 4th pitcher becomes extremely important. UK, UL, and Vandy threw their 4th and sometimes even well below their 4th best pitcher against UL during the mid-week. So, the game was pretty much even in terms of pitching, and yet UL went 1-5 in those games.
That being said, UL is a very good baseball team that wins the games they need to win. I think they will have success no matter the conference. The question becomes... how much success? This year they took care of Houston and West Virginia winning all four games, and those were RPI 2 and 35. However, they also lost 2 of 3 to South Florida, RPI 50. So, it is hard to tell exactly how good they can be on the weekends. I think in football playing a weak schedule is a huge advantage because lesser opponents will play less physical and you can use starters less when you're up big. So it gives you more rest. In baseball that isn't really the case. However, confidence is huge in baseball. If you play a tough schedule and you just can't buy a win for a few weekends then your season could be pretty much over. Look at what happened to UK in 2013 after getting shelled by LSU. Louisville can continue to compete and have great success, but let's not kid ourselves... it is going to be much harder for them. And, as the OP pointed out... it is going to be much harder for them to win games and get a strong enough record to host in the ACC. Hosting puts them at a huge advantage in the post season and getting that advantage is much harder in the ACC. Can they do it? Yes, but they might also frequently end up like UK this year... having a strong year, but a good chunk of the ACC has stronger and UL ends up going on the road instead of hosting. Then the post season becomes that much harder.
I get that the OP feels that UK is at a disadvantage because they have to play in the SEC. That argument might work in football, but I don't reallly buy it in baseball, chiefly because my alma mater (Vandy) has turned into a national power in the SEC. You can't tell me that Vandy should be any better positioned to succeed at baseball than UK.
When I was at school at Vandy (early 90s), Vandy had no real stadium and no real baseball program. But, because of Tim Corbin, and willingness to invest in infrastruture such as a new stadium, Vandy is now a power. Actually, I think there are a lot of parallels between the rise of Vandy and the rise of U of L. IMO, UK would be best served by trying to emulate these programs, rather than trying to run down their success.
When I was at school at Vandy (early 90s), Vandy had no real stadium and no real baseball program. But, because of Tim Corbin, and willingness to invest in infrastruture such as a new stadium, Vandy is now a power. Actually, I think there are a lot of parallels between the rise of Vandy and the rise of U of L. IMO, UK would be best served by trying to emulate these programs, rather than trying to run down their success.
I think you are missing the point as well. It isn't about UK being disadvantaged, but about UL having an advantage. That advantage being that they are able to play a relatively weak schedule and rack up wins. In doing so they are able to compile an impressive record that has caused the NCAA committee to reward them with a host site for the NCAA tournament. This is a distinct advantage as the host team wins the regional at about a 70 percent clip since the current format in 1999, and last year 14 of 16 hosts advanced.
The argument really has nothing to do with Kentucky. UK comes in as a comparison because UK plays in a tougher conference making it harder for them to host and in turn have post season success. UK and Louisville had a similar RPI, but Louisville got to host while UK went to Louisville. Of course, I understand why UL hosted and UK didn't... because UL was 1st place in a weak schedule while UK as 9th in a tough one. But that reason actually makes the OPs point.
Now, to wrap things up... UK certainly needs to mimic Vanderbilt. Their success should make almost any school jealous. We also should mimic Louisville. They have done outstanding. Personally, I take nothing away from their success. I think the first step to success is the right coach. That is why I wanted Vandy's pitching coach as our head coach last year, before he headed to the Cubs (??) organization to be their pitching development coordinator. Vandy and UL both have outstanding coaches and I would love to have either one. UK certainly needs to step up. However, I also believe that UL playing in a weaker conference has certainly helped to catapult their success to the next level. Next year it will be much tougher for them to get to host a regional because they will not be able to rack up wins against weak conference opponents on the weekends. However, I still think they'll be an outstanding team that is extremely tough to beat.
Won't happen...Would be nice , but big $$$$sters could care less...I will be shocked if UK ever gets a new stadium to be honest even though baseball is a big time sport to almost all SEC schools BUT NOT a priority at KENTUCKY as seen by the fact that KENTUCKY is the ONLY SEC school to have NEVER been to a super regional or a CWS...Enough said...
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That is funny as the name of the baseball stadium is JIM PATTERSON stadium named in honor of the owner of Rally's Burger joint along with some other major contributors to the project...Please tell me where are the boosters like this to step up to bat for KENTUCKY in something other than basketball related...??
When is Chris T. Sullivan going to step up and give us a big fat check from the overpriced food at Outback Steakhouse?!
Hey ...I happen to like OB, but this is EXACTLY the kind of people that I am talking about...They REFUSE to help MB with funding anything while Jurich has them all at his beckon call...Go figure
Louisville has done more to maximize their opportunities than to be given "gifts" underserved. Besides wins in a non-SEC conference, their program conveys a brand of quality, progress, and success. McDonnell has cultivated a culture that has risen the level of play and sets their sights on going to Omaha. McDonnell and his coaching staff has helped maximized the performance of the team - particularly when it means the most at tournament time. Their stadium is state of the art and worthy for TV coverage during the NCAA tournament. It sends a message that the university values their baseball program. Their recruiting has been strategic. U of L has produced many professional draft picks.
U of L has seized every opportunity under McDonnell, including when they did not have home field advantage. In 2007, they won a regional in Columbia, MO, coming out of the loser's bracket to do it - then eventually going to the College World Series. Last year they beat Vandy two games in the Super Regional at Vandy to go to the World Series. Getting wins like this goes a long way to shape the image of the program.
Kennesaw State seemed to be belittled in this thread, yet they did not have home field advantage while beating Alabama twice and a regional hosted by perennial power Florida State. No one gave Kennesaw State any handouts. Baseball is taken seriously in the South.
More wins would help, but I believe that U of K ultimately needs to reshape the image of their baseball program to increase their chances of hosting a regional. I think that Kentucky needs to convey an image that baseball is important. A new stadium would really help. I think it would also help with recruiting. This might bring U of K baseball in the upper tier of the SEC. Cohen may have had the most success as a U of K coach. He also made an effort to bring fans to the game and increase season ticket holders. He went to a program not only where he played baseball as a player, but where "baseball was life." Last year, Mississippi State averaged 7815 paid attendance per game (number 3 nationally in 2013). U of K was not in the top 43 in average attendance (see link below).
Competition has brought out the best of both schools in the U of K and U of L rivalries. I think U of K has some tough choices to make to build their baseball program. I came to this thread when U of L was mentioned - but to talk baseball. STUCKINBIG10 was crass in his attacks of me and was not willing to discuss the topic objectively.
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U of L has seized every opportunity under McDonnell, including when they did not have home field advantage. In 2007, they won a regional in Columbia, MO, coming out of the loser's bracket to do it - then eventually going to the College World Series. Last year they beat Vandy two games in the Super Regional at Vandy to go to the World Series. Getting wins like this goes a long way to shape the image of the program.
Kennesaw State seemed to be belittled in this thread, yet they did not have home field advantage while beating Alabama twice and a regional hosted by perennial power Florida State. No one gave Kennesaw State any handouts. Baseball is taken seriously in the South.
More wins would help, but I believe that U of K ultimately needs to reshape the image of their baseball program to increase their chances of hosting a regional. I think that Kentucky needs to convey an image that baseball is important. A new stadium would really help. I think it would also help with recruiting. This might bring U of K baseball in the upper tier of the SEC. Cohen may have had the most success as a U of K coach. He also made an effort to bring fans to the game and increase season ticket holders. He went to a program not only where he played baseball as a player, but where "baseball was life." Last year, Mississippi State averaged 7815 paid attendance per game (number 3 nationally in 2013). U of K was not in the top 43 in average attendance (see link below).
Competition has brought out the best of both schools in the U of K and U of L rivalries. I think U of K has some tough choices to make to build their baseball program. I came to this thread when U of L was mentioned - but to talk baseball. STUCKINBIG10 was crass in his attacks of me and was not willing to discuss the topic objectively.
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"Last year, MSU averaged 7815 PAID attendance per game."...Excluding UK games, how much does it cost to get a ticket to a regular season game at UL?...I know what the answer was as of a couple of years ago, but it may have changed...I know that you have beer sales to offset the ticket cost(?), but I was just wondering if it has changed...
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"Last year, MSU averaged 7815 PAID attendance per game."...Excluding UK games, how much does it cost to get a ticket to a regular season game at UL?...I know what the answer was as of a couple of years ago, but it may have changed...I know that you have beer sales to offset the ticket cost(?), but I was just wondering if it has changed...
Slugger, it sounds like to want to find a negative in anything that I say. You even throw in alcohol into the equation. Concessions I am sure must help generate revenue; but ironically, alcoholics that I know want to blame other people or events rather than taking ownership for their own situation. From the vile attacks on me and the lack of reasoning in his replies, I wondered if STUCKNBIG10 was drinking a beverage or two while he was on the keyboard. While some posters have validated what U of L has done, others posts sound like sour grapes.
The fact is that U of L has found ways to value and build their baseball program. Besides a stadium, I also think that McDonnell's leadership under Jurich has been critical to change the culture of the baseball program. I had heard through a U of L booster that Patterson did not want to fans to have to pay admission. I don't know if this is true, but for now it has worked for U of L.
Mississippi State does a strong fan base and baseball is a priority. On the other hand, I do remember when Cohen was at U of K; the players went out in the community to try to increase their season ticket holders. I guess find a Jim Patterson or find another way to get a stadium. I think that a stadium is an important part, but not the only part. It starts with a mindset about the baseball program. McDonnell and Jurich have provided leadership. Even winning a regional or two without hosting one would help.
Slugger, it sounds like to want to find a negative in anything that I say. You even throw in alcohol into the equation. Concessions I am sure must help generate revenue; but ironically, alcoholics that I know want to blame other people or events rather than taking ownership for their own situation. From the vile attacks on me and the lack of reasoning in his replies, I wondered if STUCKNBIG10 was drinking a beverage or two while he was on the keyboard. While some posters have validated what U of L has done, others posts sound like sour grapes.
The fact is that U of L has found ways to value and build their baseball program. Besides a stadium, I also think that McDonnell's leadership under Jurich has been critical to change the culture of the baseball program. I had heard through a U of L booster that Patterson did not want to fans to have to pay admission. I don't know if this is true, but for now it has worked for U of L.
Mississippi State does a strong fan base and baseball is a priority. On the other hand, I do remember when Cohen was at U of K; the players went out in the community to try to increase their season ticket holders. I guess find a Jim Patterson or find another way to get a stadium. I think that a stadium is an important part, but not the only part. It starts with a mindset about the baseball program. McDonnell and Jurich have provided leadership. Even winning a regional or two without hosting one would help.
There is no myth. There is no secret. The bottom line is once you get into a regional it is all about pitching especially since the new bats. The move to the new stadium has provided the staff the resources to recruit quality starters and depth in the pitching staff. Anyone that is a baseball fan understands good pitching will limit good hitting teams. Louisville has built their program around pitching. The all have good to great velocity and are coached extremely well. Then they play pretty good defense behind them. Louisville built for the postseason because their starting pitching always keeps them in a game.
Conference affiliation doesn't matter. That staff would have been successful in any conference. Like it or not they are a carbon copy of Vandy. You could argue that Vandy has better arms, but not by much. Keep in mind Vandy didn't lose a weekend series in the SEC last year and were swept by Louisville. Vandy will roll out a great pitcher on Saturday night which gives them a great shot at winning that game. It has nothing to do with Vandy being in the SEC. It has everything to do with that Vandy pitcher being a high MLB prospect. The conference affiliation argument gets old. It gets old because the argument is completely subjective. UK basketball is a prime example of a very successful program in a terrible conference. Their conference affiliation has nothing to do with their success. Bottom line they are a great team because they won games. Louisville baseball is no different. When you win conference titles win 40 plus games you are a very good team.
Conference affiliation doesn't matter. That staff would have been successful in any conference. Like it or not they are a carbon copy of Vandy. You could argue that Vandy has better arms, but not by much. Keep in mind Vandy didn't lose a weekend series in the SEC last year and were swept by Louisville. Vandy will roll out a great pitcher on Saturday night which gives them a great shot at winning that game. It has nothing to do with Vandy being in the SEC. It has everything to do with that Vandy pitcher being a high MLB prospect. The conference affiliation argument gets old. It gets old because the argument is completely subjective. UK basketball is a prime example of a very successful program in a terrible conference. Their conference affiliation has nothing to do with their success. Bottom line they are a great team because they won games. Louisville baseball is no different. When you win conference titles win 40 plus games you are a very good team.
The difference is UK gets dinged in basketball seeding because of the SEC...(even though the SEC has plenty of basketball championships the last 25 years)...
UL gets an advantage with initial seeding due to their weak schedule/conference. But after that initial seeding, they have taken advantage of the situations and playing at home and have performed at a high level.
It is a good model of success...and it will come to an end after the move to the ACC. I believe UL will still be solid, but wont be hosting too many regionals.
YOU brought up the attendance thing and I only asked what UL charged for tickets already knowing the answer
and I brought up the beer thing because it seems you guys grip about any sporting event where there is not beer served...I have even heard your boy Tony Vanetti chastise your base about the number of drunks at your games causing trouble(something I have experienced first hand)...I have given you credit thru all this and given our boosters hell for not financing a baseball stadium, but if you didn't serve beer and the tickets weren't free what would your attendance figures be like... Look, your success is undeniable , but I still think UK was a better team this year and losing that first game to Kansas doomed us...With that being said, we do need a new coach and a new stadium...
I guess that next year we will find out if it makes a difference what conference you are in...I think you'll be surprised...
LOL...well done.
I think as UK fans we give the ACC too much credit. There's no doubt that UL is stepping up in class but the ACC is still inferior to the SEC in just about every sport except basketball. Their baseball teams are overhyped every year, but haven't won a national title since the 50s (that's not a typo).
"This will be my last response to this topic..." - STUCKNBIG10
6/8 1:58 PM
6/26 10:53 AM
"I think as UK fans we give the ACC too much credit. There's no doubt that UL is stepping up in class but the ACC is still inferior to the SEC in just about every sport except basketball. Their baseball teams are overhyped every year, but haven't won a national title since the 50s (that's not a typo)." -
Surprised to see you add more, STUCKNBIG10.
Your statement that the ACC hasn't "won a national title since the 50's" is very misleading, especially to right before say that the ACC is overhyped. I respect SEC baseball and give them their due. On the other hand, do not minimize the strength of ACC baseball.
Two different services rate the conference RPI's in 2014 with SEC number 1, followed by the BIG 12 and then ACC. The ACC at #3 isn't too shabby.
In 2013 these same two services had the ACC #1 in conference RPI, then followed by the SEC and the PAC 12. Can't go any higher as a conference than #1.
ACC College World Series accomplishments are not at the level of the SEC, but are not chopped liver either.
Virginia is this year's runner up - and also were in the CWS in 2009 and 2011. Virginia also eliminated Mississippi this year.
Miami's 4 national championships are not included (the last in 2002) because they joined the ACC in 2004. Miami was also runner up 2 times - with multiple other CWS appearances.
Wake Forest did win the CWS in 1955. They were runner-ups once with other CWS appearances.
Florida State was runner up 3 times in the CWS - in addition to multiple other CWS appearances.
North Carolina was runner up 2 times - with multiple other CWS appearances.
Georgia Tech was the CWS runner-up 1 time - with multiple other CWS appearances.
Clemson, NC State, Boston College and Duke have multiple CWS appearances.
Virginia Tech, Maryland, have multiple NCAA tournament appearances.
6/8 1:58 PM
6/26 10:53 AM
"I think as UK fans we give the ACC too much credit. There's no doubt that UL is stepping up in class but the ACC is still inferior to the SEC in just about every sport except basketball. Their baseball teams are overhyped every year, but haven't won a national title since the 50s (that's not a typo)." -
Surprised to see you add more, STUCKNBIG10.
Your statement that the ACC hasn't "won a national title since the 50's" is very misleading, especially to right before say that the ACC is overhyped. I respect SEC baseball and give them their due. On the other hand, do not minimize the strength of ACC baseball.
Two different services rate the conference RPI's in 2014 with SEC number 1, followed by the BIG 12 and then ACC. The ACC at #3 isn't too shabby.
In 2013 these same two services had the ACC #1 in conference RPI, then followed by the SEC and the PAC 12. Can't go any higher as a conference than #1.
ACC College World Series accomplishments are not at the level of the SEC, but are not chopped liver either.
Virginia is this year's runner up - and also were in the CWS in 2009 and 2011. Virginia also eliminated Mississippi this year.
Miami's 4 national championships are not included (the last in 2002) because they joined the ACC in 2004. Miami was also runner up 2 times - with multiple other CWS appearances.
Wake Forest did win the CWS in 1955. They were runner-ups once with other CWS appearances.
Florida State was runner up 3 times in the CWS - in addition to multiple other CWS appearances.
North Carolina was runner up 2 times - with multiple other CWS appearances.
Georgia Tech was the CWS runner-up 1 time - with multiple other CWS appearances.
Clemson, NC State, Boston College and Duke have multiple CWS appearances.
Virginia Tech, Maryland, have multiple NCAA tournament appearances.
You're right, I did say that my earlier response would be my last. I forgot I said that, and apologize for failing to honor that.
Otherwise, what did i say that was inaccurate? The ACC hasn't won a national title since the 50s. You substantiated that fact.
I didn't say that the ACC sucked in baseball. I just said that we give the ACC too much credit and that it's not nearly the same as the SEC. It is inferior to the SEC in neary every sport except basketball, I stand by that. All you did with your analysis is explain that the ACC isn't THAT bad. OK, cool, good for you.
The ACC isn't a bad baseball league. It's a good baseball league. Just not THAT good, and not close to the SEC. UL's results will not be as good b/c it's a step up in class. If, by chance, UL does do OK in the ACC, I just don't want to hear how it's the greatest accomplishment since sliced bread b/c it's not the same as beating LSU, Florida, South Carolina, Vandy, et. al.
You're right, I did say that my earlier response would be my last. I forgot I said that, and apologize for failing to honor that.
Otherwise, what did i say that was inaccurate? The ACC hasn't won a national title since the 50s. You substantiated that fact.
I didn't say that the ACC sucked in baseball. I just said that we give the ACC too much credit and that it's not nearly the same as the SEC. It is inferior to the SEC in neary every sport except basketball, I stand by that. All you did with your analysis is explain that the ACC isn't THAT bad. OK, cool, good for you.
The ACC isn't a bad baseball league. It's a good baseball league. Just not THAT good, and not close to the SEC. UL's results will not be as good b/c it's a step up in class. If, by chance, UL does do OK in the ACC, I just don't want to hear how it's the greatest accomplishment since sliced bread b/c it's not the same as beating LSU, Florida, South Carolina, Vandy, et. al.
I mentioned before in this thread the warning of Mark Twain gave when trying to communicate with stupid people. Similarly in the mental health field, it is often said that the sickest of the "crazy" people do not know they are ill at all. Likewise, at first I thought it would be a total waste of my energy and time to make another post because I feel talking to you is like talking to a brick wall - you throw out reason in this discussion. Could not there be a sensible discussion about baseball here?
I guess you may want to counter and say that U of L fans only post here because they want "validation." ("I think it's hilarious that you and your friends need to constantly come to this board for validation.") Speaking of validation, it's like you want to validate U of K's baseball program because they are in the SEC. By your reasoning, really, you surmise that are right strictly because you are a U of K fan posing on this board. You said, "I'll respond to the UK fans, don't give two shits about the card fan who feels the need to chime in." According to your reasoning, really, nobody else, particularly a U of L fan, can disagree with you and know anything about baseball. According to your reasoning, no other opinion than yours has merit.
You pick the way you want to define quality. You dismiss RPI ratings of conferences as a measure of quality. The ACC was #1 in 2013 and #3 in 2014. You want to say that the ACC "isn't a bad baseball league." No, the RPI's of the conference support that the ACC is an extremely good baseball league. You also dismiss the amount of appearances by ACC teams in the College World Series and how far they have advanced as support that the conference is extremely good.
I have said before in this thread that it is painful to lose. I sure don't like to. Though after losing to U of L in the regional there was much venom in your posts. You also stated to me, "Are you in 4th grade and mom let you use the computer for the first time." Your limited vocabulary describes a league as "candyass." In another thread on the On Deck Circle, you said "I CANNOT wish that bunch ANY luck in anything." Against rivals, many have strong emotions. I hope you feel better now.
I wish the U of K baseball program well.
Otherwise, what did i say that was inaccurate? The ACC hasn't won a national title since the 50s. You substantiated that fact.
I didn't say that the ACC sucked in baseball. I just said that we give the ACC too much credit and that it's not nearly the same as the SEC. It is inferior to the SEC in neary every sport except basketball, I stand by that. All you did with your analysis is explain that the ACC isn't THAT bad. OK, cool, good for you.
The ACC isn't a bad baseball league. It's a good baseball league. Just not THAT good, and not close to the SEC. UL's results will not be as good b/c it's a step up in class. If, by chance, UL does do OK in the ACC, I just don't want to hear how it's the greatest accomplishment since sliced bread b/c it's not the same as beating LSU, Florida, South Carolina, Vandy, et. al.
I mentioned before in this thread the warning of Mark Twain gave when trying to communicate with stupid people. Similarly in the mental health field, it is often said that the sickest of the "crazy" people do not know they are ill at all. Likewise, at first I thought it would be a total waste of my energy and time to make another post because I feel talking to you is like talking to a brick wall - you throw out reason in this discussion. Could not there be a sensible discussion about baseball here?
I guess you may want to counter and say that U of L fans only post here because they want "validation." ("I think it's hilarious that you and your friends need to constantly come to this board for validation.") Speaking of validation, it's like you want to validate U of K's baseball program because they are in the SEC. By your reasoning, really, you surmise that are right strictly because you are a U of K fan posing on this board. You said, "I'll respond to the UK fans, don't give two shits about the card fan who feels the need to chime in." According to your reasoning, really, nobody else, particularly a U of L fan, can disagree with you and know anything about baseball. According to your reasoning, no other opinion than yours has merit.
You pick the way you want to define quality. You dismiss RPI ratings of conferences as a measure of quality. The ACC was #1 in 2013 and #3 in 2014. You want to say that the ACC "isn't a bad baseball league." No, the RPI's of the conference support that the ACC is an extremely good baseball league. You also dismiss the amount of appearances by ACC teams in the College World Series and how far they have advanced as support that the conference is extremely good.
I have said before in this thread that it is painful to lose. I sure don't like to. Though after losing to U of L in the regional there was much venom in your posts. You also stated to me, "Are you in 4th grade and mom let you use the computer for the first time." Your limited vocabulary describes a league as "candyass." In another thread on the On Deck Circle, you said "I CANNOT wish that bunch ANY luck in anything." Against rivals, many have strong emotions. I hope you feel better now.
I wish the U of K baseball program well.
LOL..that was a whole lot of drivel. I hope you feel better too.
You still fail to acknowledge that I didn't say anything that was factually inaccurate. The ACC hasn't won a national baseball title since the 50s. That's a fact. The SEC wins national titles in bunches. That's a fact. The SEC is a better league than the ACC in every sport except basketball...that's an opinion but with ample evidence to back it up. The rest are my opinions. I do feel that the ACC is a good baseball league, but not a great one and certainly not on the level of the SEC. Most other opinions that I provide on this board are backed up with data or facts to support them. If you don't like it, that's certainly your prerogative.
You have spent considerable time researching my posts, glad that I could entertain you! I can only hope for another sophomoric reply from you to provide more entertainment for our UK board.
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