UK vs. Duke 2016-2017 (player breakdown)

[Quincey24]

Probably because he didn't do that last year so I doubt he does it this year either Jackson or Matt jones (he brought it up last year to start the offense) will do that since Allen is at his best when he doesn't have to initiate the offense or set anyone else up


QUOTE="Untouchables22, post: 4643922, member: 11572"]I'm surprised no one in the thread has pointed out that Allen is going to dominate the ball next season. He not Jackson will be the player bringing the ball up the court and initiating the offense more often then not. Jackson will guard the PG's but Allen will be the primary ball handler on Offense.

Otherwise it will be a great contrast of styles. Duke will be an offensive juggernaut with average to below average defense and UK will a defensive stalwart but have some offensive issues from time to time.[/QUOTE]

 

[Willy4UK]

I don't think we should dismiss the thought that the whole Bolden situation may have created something as well - our freshmen coming in recruited him like crazy, and he blew them off. They'll have something to prove
With Briscoe coming back from the combine armed with what he learned, I anticipate him working his ass off this summer and being ready to lead this team this fall.
Humphries will get his chance to prove himself - and I honestly believe he'll at the least be serviceable. He showed some fire last year, if a few freshman mistakes. He won't want to repeat that
I bet we'll hear about a new "breakfast club" and it will start earlier than it has
The biggest thing is what you said here: team chemistry. The only Cal team who didn't have it to the nines was the 2013 team, and even then you knew those guys cared for each other. It just didn't translate to the court as well as it should.

Exactly. I want this team to have that "This crack won't smoke itself" mentality.

They need to be a Breakfast Club no doubt

 

[Bkocats]

Players don't take it as personal as friends. Unlike fans they continue to support friends during and after college

oh no, not on a personal level - but these guys are competitors; they are going to want to prove their choice was the right one for competition reasons.
On a personal level, I do expect them to support their friends

 

[jrpross]

I said best of 7. 4 games to 2 is quite possible. Maybe reading comprehension is not your strong subject.

Ehh. I think I prefer to think you thought what I thought you thought. Makes me think I'm a thinker.

 

[TheInitials]

1. Fox, Monk, Briscoe, and Bam are starting. Willis or Wenyen will be the 5th.

2. Duke's PG situation is a big deal. Jackson is not a true PG - going to be a huge adjustment for him.

3. Giles ACL is his 2nd - I am withholding judgement until I see him play.

4. I wouldn't trade rosters with Duke.

 

[blanktree]

1. Fox, Monk, Briscoe, and Bam are starting. Willis or Wenyen will be the 5th.

2. Duke's PG situation is a big deal. Jackson is not a true PG - going to be a huge adjustment for him.

3. Giles ACL is his 2nd - I am withholding judgement until I see him play.

4. I wouldn't trade rosters with Duke.

1. Fox, Monk, Briscoe, and Bam are starting. Willis or Wenyen will be the 5th.

2. Duke's PG situation is a big deal. Jackson is not a true PG - going to be a huge adjustment for him.

3. Giles ACL is his 2nd - I am withholding judgement until I see him play.

4. I wouldn't trade rosters with Duke.

What he said.

 

[bucsrule8872]

1. Fox, Monk, Briscoe, and Bam are starting. Willis or Wenyen will be the 5th.

2. Duke's PG situation is a big deal. Jackson is not a true PG - going to be a huge adjustment for him.

3. Giles ACL is his 2nd - I am withholding judgement until I see him play.

4. I wouldn't trade rosters with Duke.

Talk about a great first post.

Bravo.

 

[Bkocats]

Talk about a great first post.

Bravo.

yes, I was impressed as well -

 

[bucsrule8872]

While this has been true you have to realize why K has done this, the why is tg fact they he didn't have good bigs when he had to go with a SF at PF. He didn't put Grant Hill nor Mike Dunlevy there because he had good bigs. Of course people tend to only remember recent history or they don't think about why a coach does what he does. K will now have good enough bugs to where he doesn't have to play a SF at the PF spot. Before Amile was injuried last season Ingram played SF and Winslow started out at SF until K realized Amile wasn't ready to be a contributor/ impact guy as a starter


QUOTE="bucsrule8872, post: 4638201, member: 3838"]I honestly expect that by tourney time Duke will look like this:

Starters
G Jackson- only thing close to a true PG they have.
G Allen- best perimeter player, NPOY candidate, he's a lock.
G Jones- experienced, plays defense and can shoot (best for spacing).
F Tatum- K loves playing mismatches with SF's at the 4 spot.
F Giles- best inside player.

Key Reserves
G Kennard- can come in for all three guards, gets 20+mpg.
F Jefferson- can come in for either forward spot, gets 20+mpg.
F Bolden- comes in at the 5 when they have foul trouble. Probably gets around 10mpg.

Bench
F Jeter- will get pushed out of the rotation by January (start of ACC play), he was recruited over (Bolden).
F DeLaurier- spot duty.

K's championship recipe almost always has a SF at the 4 spot. Tatum is not the best shooter, but is an incredible scorer. Moving him to the 4 means that K can have three shooters on the floor at all times (three out of Jackson, Allen, Jones, and Kennard). That is great for spacing.

Giles, Jefferson, and Bolden rotate inside giving them exceptional depth at the 4 and 5 spots. Jeter will ride the pine. If he couldn't beat Plumlee out for minutes, I doubt he can get minutes over two studs from a vastly superior recruiting class and a 5th year Senior.

I would be surprised if K goes away from his system just to appease his bigs. His last three titles have been won with SFs playing the "stretch 4" spot. His last three teams have had guys who would play the 3 on most teams at the 4 (Parker, Winslow, Ingram).

[/QUOTE]

Hill and Dunleavy both shot the ball very well. The question mark for Tatum is shooting. If Tatum shoots like those two, then he is definitely a 3 and Duke probably breezes through the tourney and wins their sixth title.

But in K's system you need shooters, at least 3. With Jackson, Allen, and Jones in together, you've got three deadly shooters. Rotate Kennard in for those three and K always has three shooters on the floor.

 

[jockstrap_mcgee]

the only thing Duke is breezing through is a handful of well timed farts. They are talented but young. They do not have a pg, nor is anyone on their roster likely to become one. They have a lot of shooters who happen to be gunners. Who is going to be the defensive stalwart? They're bound to tidy it up towards March and make a deep run, but breeze? No way...tourney requires too much luck for anyone to breeze, even for Duke

 

[Quincey24]

Grant Hill was a worse shooter than Tatum. At that point Grant was just athletic with handles, he didn't even shoot threes basically his first three years.. Coach K only plays his SF at PF when he doesn't have good bigs even if they aren't shooters and this year he will have good bigs


Hill and Dunleavy both shot the ball very well. The question mark for Tatum is shooting. If Tatum shoots like those two, then he is definitely a 3 and Duke probably breezes through the tourney and wins their sixth title.

But in K's system you need shooters, at least 3. With Jackson, Allen, and Jones in together, you've got three deadly shooters. Rotate Kennard in for those three and K always has three shooters on the floor.[/QUOTE]

 

[bucsrule8872]

Grant Hill was a worse shooter than Tatum. At that point Grant was just athletic with handles, he didn't even shoot threes basically his first three years.. Coach K only plays his SF at PF when he doesn't have good bigs even if they aren't shooters and this year he will have good bigs



Hill and Dunleavy both shot the ball very well. The question mark for Tatum is shooting. If Tatum shoots like those two, then he is definitely a 3 and Duke probably breezes through the tourney and wins their sixth title.

But in K's system you need shooters, at least 3. With Jackson, Allen, and Jones in together, you've got three deadly shooters. Rotate Kennard in for those three and K always has three shooters on the floor.

Fair point.

Still, Hill played over two decades ago, so it's hard to use him as a comparison. The game has changed a bit. Just about everyone played a traditional lineup back then.

Dunleavy's 2001 team is a better comparison and the 4 was a big SF (Battier) that could shoot.

Spacing is very important and having shooters improves spacing.

I would not be shocked to see a lot of Tatum at the 4, especially if Giles is the player he was before the injury. If he demands double teams, then having shooters/scorers at the other four positions will make Duke hard to beat.

Also, I think K will want to create more minutes for Jones and Kennard with the three guard lineup.

But I'm just going by what seems to have worked for K in the last several years.

You should know your team better than I do.

Good debate, though.