Not for athletes it's not. Their standards are lowered for athletics. Duke can take anyone they want.
Trevon Duval to Duke per ESPN.
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Not for athletes it's not. Their standards are lowered for athletics. Duke can take anyone they want.
Looks like a Micheal smith "by the numbers" piece. Only that was horrible to watch.
But guess who underachieves if he doesn't win 35 games and a title? The narrative is hilarious. It works in reverse for KU. They prop them up all year and then make excuses when Self flames out.
Dirty ESPN just ran a subtitle that stated: With the Duval pick, Duke broke the tie with UK, this gives the blue devils the most top 5 ESPN 100 recruits dating back to 2007.
Remember everything is okay so long as you control the narrative.
Remember everything is okay so long as you control the narrative.
You just know they've been waiting to fire that missive. Our guys are ALWAYS lower on ESPN's rankings. Bledsoe not being on their Top 100 is all the proof you need.
Them having Gary Trent Jr. in the top 10 is laughable. I bet $1,000 that Vanderbilt has the clearly better year if he doesn't have a serious injury.
Wow, it is pretty funny how this kid is the savior now lol. Anybody that has followed the all star circuit knows he isn't even the best PG in the class lol.
In multiple interviews over the last few weeks as he drug this recruitment out even though everyone knew he was going to Duke. Supposedly his Dad was working on the details and it was going to be some big deal.
When he made the secret visit to Duke that he later denied, people speculated he'd filmed scenes on the campus that would be used in the video. Then last week, he announced that he'd "soon be announcing" his announcement date. That got some backlash.
After all that buildup, they roll out this cartoon early on a Monday morning. I think they must have decided that if they put it out unannounced like this, it would blow people's minds and generate buzz. Didn't happen.
Oh, you're one of those people that likes to argue about sh!t on message boards just to be arguing. Never mind, you're right of course.
I mean he didn't. He has said hardly anything about his announcement leading up to it.
Ncaa had serious issues with the classes at his school advanced prep international.
Im sure somehow duval will breeze through any inquiry
That is pretty hilarious they decided that was the stat to throw up. Let's see what they do when we get Bamba.
I like Sexton as well.
Rivals and ESPN have Duval ranked a tad above Sexton so not much disparity.
But Bamba seemed to think he was the best, he may not have played much with Sexton.
Regardless, fans shouldn't doubt the kid's ability, he can play.
I'm shocked he can get in Duke even with athlete standards.
Duke is easily Top 10 preseason on paper. Same reason we are every year.
Again, not sure how well Tripper will play with these guys.
I dont see any depth.
Trent Jr will be interesting to watch as well with Allen. Trent is a gunner/ball stopper, Duval needs the ball as does Allen.
Carter is a good player and Bolden will become the garbage man with less of a motor than Plumlee or Richardson.
I hate Duke as much as the next guy but I've never really understood why people say this. He won a national championship with 4 major freshman contributors. It's like saying Cal sucks with freshman because of 2013. People use Bolden as a reason but SKJ didn't do very well last year either.
Too many ball-demanding players. It will be the same thing as this past year. A guy like Jefferson will be hard to replace.
They gain Duval, Carter, Trent.. but lose Giles, Tatum, Kennard, Jackson, Jeter, Jefferson, and Jones..
The math doesn't add up, and it's far too young for a guy like K. They'll win a good chunk of their OOC but the ACC will eat them alive if that conference continues at last years pace. I think you're looking at 10+ losses.
They gain Duval, Carter, Trent.. but lose Giles, Tatum, Kennard, Jackson, Jeter, Jefferson, and Jones..
The math doesn't add up, and it's far too young for a guy like K. They'll win a good chunk of their OOC but the ACC will eat them alive if that conference continues at last years pace. I think you're looking at 10+ losses.
People that believe it approach it from the viewpoint that 2015 was an outlier. Imo it's tough to call a championship an outlier.
Cal is better at going deeper with younger teams, but K has been better at finishing the job once he's there. How long has it been since Duke lost in the final four?
Championships are not all that matter, but when you have multiple championships inside of the OAD era, it's a touch sell to make that he's underachieved with the era itself.
The next 3 years are going to be the story here. If Duke has flameouts and ends on a lesser note, we can say 2015 was an outlier. If they make some final fours or God forbid win another, it won't fly.
As for who's better between Cal and K at the OAD thing, Cal definitely gets that nod. But it's not hurting Duke at all, and they've got the hardware right now.
I don't use Bolden as an example, I use the body of work. They did win it in 15, but they were grossly inferior to UK that year too. You make it sound like Duke was a juggernaut that year, they were not. K takes a backseat to Cal every year in developing freshmen into a top caliber team. That's why I say it.
One note of disagreement. Duke does not have multiple titles with OAD's. The 2010 team was as traditional as it gets.
that doesn't seem correct....they actually made it to the finals, and beat the team that beat UK.....it's all conjecture to say that duke was inferior, but the end result suggests otherwise...
as far as prognostication about the upcoming season, uk and duke have proven that hot recruits and pre-season hype don't guarantee any hardware...
What? First off, How did I make them sound like a juggernaut? Please explain that to me. By saying they had 4 freshman contributors? Is that making them sound like a juggernaut? Cause that's the only thing I said about them.
Second, Who made this a comparison between Cal and Coach K? Because I didn't at all. I never said that Cal wasn't better with freshman cause that would be.....well, pretty damn dumb to say. It's obvious that Cal is the best in the business and there isn't a close second. I never said anything against that fact.
You're completely turning my comment into something it's not because I never said ANYTHING that you listed in your reply.
Lastly, what does the fact that the 2015 Duke team was inferior to UK have to do with anything? That doesn't change the fact that they won the title with freshman.
My point was that it's hard to say that a coach is bad with freshman when said coach won a title with 4 major contributors being freshman. Every coach has certain players that just don't live up to the hype for whatever reason, even Cal but it doesn't mean that they're not good coaches. Like I said, I hate Duke just as much as anyone but I can give credit when credit is due. He's had some failures but he's had some successful players as well but saying he's horrible with freshman is just not accurate. Definitely not the best, but definitely not horrible either. That's all.
I understand that. I said in the OAD era. I'm not really worried about how it gets done.
No they're not
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. Based on what? Recruiting rankings? They're young, lack depth, have a head-case, and will be horribly defensively. Don't buy the hype.Btw, I have no idea what UK will be ranked, but I'm betting it will probably be too high.
Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, trippers gotta stick together.
And don't forget Henderson giving Hansbrorough the People's elbow, and of course Laettner's stomp. How does K retain his reputation of being a class act?
And don't forget Henderson giving Hansbrorough the People's elbow, and of course Laettner's stomp. How does K retain his reputation of being a class act?
Yes, freshmen play and develop better at UK.
Also, that Duke team played okay defense and Winslow was a big reason for their success. They have no one like that on their roster.
