MKG, Terrence Jones, Darius Miller, Doron Lamb, and Teague all would have got minutes on the 78 team.
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MKG, Terrence Jones, Darius Miller, Doron Lamb, and Teague all would have got minutes on the 78 team.
Anyone comparing 96 to 12 should care, simpleton.
Did you respond to anyone pointing out 96 loss to eventual FF team UMass with "Who Cares? 1996 got revenge when it mattered"?
Simpleton? I have nothing against you, my observation is clear. As 96 getting beat by umass. 96 would beat 2012 but I don't care who they got beat by. Really don't get your animosity
any non-big other than jordan and lebron, you'd be right
but you didn't. so you're not
Probably sounds harsher than I meant, but "who cares" is a simple, and tired response, especially since everyone that has read and responded to something in this thread apparently cares at least a little bit.
And 2012 UK didn't lose to a couple historical nobodies (Miss. State and UMass) with an extremely deep, experienced, and talented team either, did they ? If you want to go that route.
Bottom line, 2012 UK was top notch (UNDEFEATED) vs. Elite 8 and Final 4 teams when it was all said and done..96 UK wasn't.
And if you want to point out Vandy..well 2012 Vandy >>>>96 Vandy..and it took Vandy THREE tries to beat the 2012 Cats.
Good gawd are you ignorant to the fact that both of those teams made the Final Four THAT year???
And you're saying that a subjective ranking by media and coaches outweighs actual Final Four appearances???
HOLY COW MAN
Nobody on the 96 team is checking Davis, MKG, or Darius Miller. And I'd take Lamb over Delk in terms of shooting (Although barely.)..1996 UK's press wouldn't work vs. 2012 UK..it would backfire.
Are YOU ignorant to the fact that IU made the Sweet 16 in 2012 or that Vandy made the tournament in 2012 ? Didn't Vandy and IU suck ass back in 96 ? That's why I said "Historical nobodies". Miss. State and Memphis were really good teams in 1996 but shouldn't have been a match for the "unstoppable" 1996 UK.
Stevie cares that we didn't win against some teams that were bad...in the past!
96 UMASS not Memphis, and 96 Mississippi State would destroy both 12 IU and 12 Vanderbilt. They made the Final Four, that is greater than making the tourney and sweet 16, pu the pipe down friend.
I meant UMass..my bad. Both from similar conferences..and Coach Cal Coached both. My bad..I was typing and thinking too fast..lol
Anyway, man..UK didn't play a really good IU or Vandy back in 1996 either. Speaking of Final 4s..UK was 9-0 vs. Elite 8 teams and 4-0 vs. Final 4 teams in 2012. 1996 UK was 2-2 I believe. 2012 UNC sent SIX guys to the NBA draft just like UK did..and UK beat them..I'd bet they and 2012 UK would kick 1996 Miss. State's and UMass's asses.
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Serious question..Has any other UK Champion or team faced and beaten a team that had six players go to the NBA draft following the season like 2012 UK did when they beat UNC ?
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Agree. 1978 was loaded. Robey, Givens and Macy were all-Americans. Shidler started for them thecprior year since Macy was a transfer in 1977. James Lee was the best 6th man in CBB and maybe the best in KY history.
Aleksinas, Cowans and Lavon Williams...
As freshmen they played key roles in a final four run. Robey breaks his leg in 1976 and they end up winning the NIT. Final 8 in 1977.
Those guys were grown men.
davis is arguably the greatest player in the history of the program. kidd-gilchrist was like young rodman from the first game. jones was the other frontcourt player and could handle, pass, and score, and on top of that defend at the rim. lamb made half his 3s.
no disrespect to other kentucky teams but i'ma ride with davis and gilchrist
no disrespect to other kentucky teams but i'ma ride with davis and gilchrist
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Exactly, and the 1978 team had their nucleus together since 1975. Givens, Lee, Robey and Phillips were on teams that finished second in 1975, won the NIT in 1976 when it was still a prestigious tournament, upset in the Elite Eight in 1977 and won the title in 1978. Givens, Lee, Robey, Phillips, Claytor, Macy and Shidler were all NBA draft picks. They could play a running style game or slow down game. The amazing stat is that they averaged 84ppg without the shot clock or three-point basket. Those thinking that athletic teams like the '96 or 2012 team would wear them out forget (or never knew) that Arkansas had arguably the best guard trio in the history of College Basketball in Sidney Moncrief, Ron Brewer and Rodney Delph and they lost to the '78 team in the Final Four that year. Additionally, the '78 team could've won the Olympics as they absolutely destroyed the Soviet National Team by 30 points prior to the season. My point about the 2012 team losing to the 1978 team was echoed by some of the sports media the day after the 2012 Title Game. However, the comparisons are not fair as the rules of the game changed plus the fact that you're essentially playing upper classmen against freshman and sophomores, for the most part. A more accurate comparison would be IF (big if) the 2012 team had stayed together for a couple more years. At that point you would've had veterans vs. veterans and that would make for interesting conversation. Absolutely no disrespect to any of our National Champs but when it comes down to power and experience it's a hard combination to beat.
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Notre Dame in 1978 and I'm pretty sure Duke in 1998. Arkansas had five that I know of in 1978 but I'm not sure about the sixth player drafted.
The 96 team shut down one of the best NBA centers of all time in Tim Duncan. Delk was a much better all around player than was Lamb and it is not even close. I am pretty sure the combo of Derek Anderson and Mercer could hold their own against anyone. The depth of the 96 team was just amazing. We have not even talked about Walter McCarty or Mark Pope.
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The 96 team played NBA style ball which was perfect for that era. I don't know how College Basketball evolved into the "grind it out" slugfest it is today but the '96 team was fun to watch.
The toughest thing about all of this is comparing eras. Davis and Ralph Sampson are a great comparison for eras. Ralph was just as dominating his freshman year as AD was (he averaged 15ppg, 11rpg and 5 bpg) but due to guys staying 4 years, he wasn't even 1st team all conference. Davis is a special talent, but there is no doubt he benefited from his era too.
It's so hard to compare player vs player or team vs team when you're talking 20 year differences. There is a huge difference in the state of college basketball between 1996 and 2012. Both teams were very good for their era and you can argue either way on this one. I choose 1996 but can understand why others choose 2012.
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A lot also has to do with the teams you actually saw play. Prime example; the best MLB team I ever saw was the 1976 Reds, however, I can't say that they're the best team ever in baseball since I never saw the 1927 Yankees play.
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If you didn't get a chance to actually watch the '78 team go back and look at some old clips, or better yet, the 1978 title game against Duke.
I loved the 78 team, but the 2012 team would have killed them. Macy was the only legit ball handler on that team and he was average quick at best. Sure, he was a great shooter, but Teague's athleticism would have caused him a lot of problems and the front line of that 2012 team was just too athletic and great for Robey, Phillips and Givens. If MKG guards Givens, he doesn't go off for 30 plus points - no way. AD would eat Robey alive just as Jones would have done to Phillips. The 78 team was great, but it was a different era. That would be like comparing Rupp's Runts to the 2010, 2011, 2014 and 2015 teams. In 1966, CBB was a totally different game. the 48-49 UK teams were incredibly dominant in their era, but would not have fared well against the 2012 either. In fact, that 2012 team is arguably the best NC team of the past 30 years.
96 is the only UK team in the conversation of greatest college team of all time.
You can say that, but the 2012 team had the first 2 draft picks and the NPOY in Davis. It's only 2 losses were on a buzzer beater at IU, a game in which AD sat out much of the game in foul trouble. The other loss came in a meaningless SECT final versus a very tough Vandy team. No one really challenged that team in the NCAA tournament except Kansas, but that game was a blowout until Cal opted to take the air out of the ball with what I believe was a 17 point lead with about 9 minutes to play. That almost cost us the game, but those kids refused to lose and came up with huge plays in the final 3 minutes. So the 2012 team could have easily gone undefeated had it not been for some home cooking at IU and a buzzer beater. Had they won that game, I think they would have beaten Vandy in that SECT final in an attempt to go undefeated. There are many who believe that the 2012 team was the best of the past 30 years and certainly one of the top 4 or 5 most dominating teams in any era.
As I mentioned in a previous post, in these debates, I believe you have to compare teams relative to their era. This debate will come up 30 years from now and someone will be saying how the 2047 UK team would have killed the 2012 team.
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Wrong, the 2012 team would not have "killed" the 1978 team. You're still comparing veterans with a power game against a freshman dominated team. AD was great but he was just one player. Like I said, even the national sports media brought up the fact the day after the 2012 title game about how the game has become so diluted that a freshman laden team could win the title. Givens would've gotten his points regardless of who guarded him. Ask Arkansas how their athletic team fared against UK in the FF that year. Like I said, they had arguably the best guard trio ever in College Basketball and couldn't beat Macy, Claytor and Shidler.
Other than Davis from 2012 no one else would have started on the 78 team from that team. You are correct about diluted talent level. More than anything else the "one and done" have assured no more dynasties....In baseball and football you can keep your players for three years....so look what Saban has done....Imagine Cal keeping the players we have had the past 8 years for 3 years....we would have at least 3 more titles....so yes...the college basketball is diluted in compared to the pre one and done era.
Seeing the 2012 and 1996 teams go head to head vs. the 1978 team would be hard to watch. The athleticism, speed, quickness, talent, etc from the modern era would completely massacre any team from the 1970s..even the 1978 UK team. Good grief, it would get ugly. What's going to be said next ? Old 60s and 70s UCLA teams would smoke 2012 UK ? Haha..no way. Be realistic..or pump that nonsense to somebody who will believe it.
The 78 team beat a Magic Johnson led MSU team. They were very good. It was a much different game back then but they were just a as dominant than any UK team other than 96 and 15
I agree 100%. My last post was directed at the people saying that UK winning the National Title in 2012 was because college basketball's "diluted talent level"..which is just moronic to say. UK faced a UNC team that had SIX future pros on the team, IU had 2-3 future pros on their team, Florida had 2-3 future pros that season, Vanderbilt had 3 future pros that season, Iowa St. had 2 future pros, so did Baylor, so did Kansas, I think UL had 2-3 as well, etc etc.. Heck, UK also had SIX future pros in 2012. The talent level in college basketball was very high that season.
triplets were athletic but sutton slowed the game to a crawl with them. still, magic and that arkansas team were pretty big scalps before the title game win over duke. 78 was the last season the sec tournament was not played
davis had 186 blocks, 78 fouls, and 41 turnovers. shot 62%
davis had 186 blocks, 78 fouls, and 41 turnovers. shot 62%
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Yep, but there are those on here that think they're qualified to make judgements about the two team without ever having seen the '78 team play. The '78 team was more like the Georgetown teams of the '80's and there's no way the 2012 team would've beaten any of those and I doubt seriously if they could've beaten the '84 Final Four team.
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Don't know if you watched that game but Kentucky's second half defense against Arkansas was probably one of the best defensive tournament efforts ever by a UK team. Totally caught Arkansas off guard and forced multiple turnovers in the second half. UK went up by 9 with about 12 to go, as I recall then held on to win by 5. Hall had them shut down Jim Counce who triggered the offense and it threw Arkansas completely off their game in the second half.
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