Mizz is competing for 2nd place in the east! You can't convince me he has at mizz what stoops has at his finger tips here!
There is something seriously wrong with the program.
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Well if you read down the thread you'll see that another guy made that point and I said I can see that viewpoint.
No way ….Cal has his own NIL,backed largely by former UK players in the pros . UK bball has no issues with NIL now , and isn’t taking from football
I’ve read a lot of basketball posts in this thread but when was Kentucky basketball relevant in the last 15 years ?
We have owned Missouri in recent years. As a matter of fact, Missouri and Kentucky are the most comparable programs I can think of. Just because they beat us this year doesn’t mean they have surpassed us
We've upgraded through the portal better than most teams, we just brought in the best running back and the best QB in last year's portal. Our recruiting classes are just as highly ranked now as before NIL. These aren't the problems.
Stoops' schemes is absolutely horrible against good offensive teams.. too conservative, never gets pressure on the QB... An underdog talent team does not win being passive. does not win giving opposing WR's 5 yard cushions.
Mizzou doesn’t have anymore talent than Uk does and they manage to be competitive! The real difference seems to be coaching, just my opinion!
1 NC and 4 final fours in the last 15 …it’s the last 5 , or so ,that’s been the issue
UK has had Mizzou’s # and Eli was on hot seat there going into ‘23. Things have turned just in the last 4-5 weeks . Looking good for them now , but they’ll have a year this yr like we had with Benny and the citrus bowl
Also , what does a loss to MO do to Heupel now? Awful lot of talent ….they may end up a 4 loss team . He may lose same as stoops .
Correct me please, but NIL money isn't the school's money as I understand. And I don't understand why anyone at any school would put NIL money into men's hoops when the talent leaves after one year. Actually, women athletes stay around.
You don’t see why one sport would attract money and the other doesnt? The girls failed to fill up the gym at transy last week.
I'd be happy. Emotional attachment to people just here from Nov to Apr seems absurd to me.
Maybe yes, maybe no but Stoops needs to at least be competitive against some of the better teams. Not going to win them all but at least act like you deserve to be on the same field.
Stoops and company haven't adjusted to the portal era. They're letting a handful of inmates run the asylum because they're terrified they'll leave. Brown is that guy on O. You can see them trying to force touches, force deep targets, and he's the first option in the red zone every trip. All despite not having the skillset or performance to warrant it.
It doesn't just kill a drive. It causes a major rift and you could see it in most every game and our offense seriously sputters for at least a few series after. Today was no exception. Nice completion that he could turn up and get 6-8 yards. Nope started trying to bounce out and fumbled it to the 1. Second back breaking fumble from him the last few games.
Stoops of old never let a player hold him hostage. Jordan Jones had to work his way back. Ware (iirc) was kicked off the team despite at the time being a good player for us. He kicked bossman out after he shut down the season. Now it's the complete opposite.
That's the problem
It doesn't just kill a drive. It causes a major rift and you could see it in most every game and our offense seriously sputters for at least a few series after. Today was no exception. Nice completion that he could turn up and get 6-8 yards. Nope started trying to bounce out and fumbled it to the 1. Second back breaking fumble from him the last few games.
Stoops of old never let a player hold him hostage. Jordan Jones had to work his way back. Ware (iirc) was kicked off the team despite at the time being a good player for us. He kicked bossman out after he shut down the season. Now it's the complete opposite.
That's the problem
We are 2-2 vs Mizzou the last 4 years. We aren't dominating them anymore. They have gotten better and we have gotten worse.
They're also having to force feed Brown because we literally have no viable backups. We only play like 5 receivers and that includes Crowdus (who hasn't made a catch all year I don't believe) and Anthony Brown Stephens, who has dropped as many as he has caught. We simply have no depth. We also don't have any depth at RB or QB and really for that matter, at OL. I mean Dylan Ray has been a starter most of the year and he was a walkon at WVU who couldn't get on the field.
For all the people saying our recruiting is so much better than in the past, is it? We still have no depth at the aforementioned positions, plus very little in the back 7 on defense. It seems like TE and DL are the only positions on the team with decent depth.
Only a small minded fool thinks this is a zero sum game. How did Alabama do in both sports last season?
Key kept getting open and catching the ball. Tayvion delivers most every time he's given a chance. Yes made big plays. Both rbs are a threat.
There is literally zero excuse to keep forcing touches to a guy who's lazy, scared, selfish, and can't hold onto the ball (catching or fumble).
Plays guys that deserve it. Target guys that earn it.
My preseason prediction was 8-4. If we can beat SC we we would be 4-4 in the SEC and at least 7 wins. UofL now looks like a challenge.
So if its 7-5 or 8-4 I won’t be terribly disappointed, but it does look like the gap with the top 4 or 5 in SEC is growing larger for UK.
So if its 7-5 or 8-4 I won’t be terribly disappointed, but it does look like the gap with the top 4 or 5 in SEC is growing larger for UK.
Mizzou is 7-2. Ranked 14th. Thumping UT. No excuses for Stoops.
You can accept lowered expectations or you can expect more for the paycheck you are giving someone.
No excuses to be this bad 11 years in. Mizzou played UGA oretty good. Beating UT. Thumped UK.
You can accept lowered expectations or you can expect more for the paycheck you are giving someone.
No excuses to be this bad 11 years in. Mizzou played UGA oretty good. Beating UT. Thumped UK.
Agreed....people are just flailing excuses.
1. UKs high school recruiting is no different then years past
2023 - 27th
2022 - 14th
2021 - 34th
2020 - 21
2019 - 30th
This is a tick better than what we've done the 5 years before
2. Portal.....We'll brought in Leary, Ray Davis, a solid tackle in Marques Cox, Silver at NG this year. Last year Tayvion, Manning at guard from Auburn, Keidron Smith at DB,....then Wandale, Levis, etc... I just think UK it feels like UK is adding more portal help than we lose....which is hard to argue the portal is part of UK falling behind.
The reality is USC, Mizzou have risen above to where UK was....and we fell back. Secondly, we've lost the strength of holding the LOS so well vs. middle to bottom tier SEC teams. We are patently weaker at point of attack than we used to be.
This is a great point....the way USC and Mizzou put out damn good years the past 2 seasons and beating common foes with atacking style, aggressive approach....it is making Stoops look really bad.
You are right about the depth. We are super thin, especially in the secondary.
Leaving the matter of Stoops and his coaching ability completely aside; It's too early to say if the recruiting is a bust or not.
Recruiting rankings are a guess at best. Seen plenty of five stars wash out while a two star like Josh Allen turns into a generational player. This team in incredibly young on both sides of the ball. The secondary is almost all freshmen and sophomores. The offensive isn't in much better shape. We shall see how they mature.
We had a guy hit another player with a trash can and he put him back in. The guy had to totally lose it after he went back in before he pulled him. If I'm correct, Jordan Jones was that guy. He went crazy three or four more times before he pulled him. Stoops doesn't have discipline and never has..
Well you'd first need to get better talent that could cover said receivers, and that would take $$$$$.
I don't think they knew the totality of that event until after. But that caused one to lose his scholarship and another to nearly lose it. That was an appropriate response especially considering how much those guys meant to the program at the time
I've said it for years but, it's a waste of breath. In order to compete in the SEC in football UK needs to be willing to get dirty. I mean really dirty.
What does that mean exactly? Look at some of the skill position players across the SEC at the elite programs. I mean REALLY look at them. When you dig deep enough you'll realize there is no way most of them are going to class and it's even less likely they are making the grades necessary to stay eligible.
It's not just about NIL deals. Those are nice and will get you in the door with some players. But, to be competitive you need to have a system in place where university boards, administrators, teachers, coaches and everyone else associated with the program are all on board with keeping the elite talent on the field. Hell, UK got in trouble for allowing a few guys to hold down gravy jobs driving cars for UK hospital. And I'll bet Barnfart nearly had a cow over that story getting out to the media.
Big time SEC football ain't Sunday school folks.
What does that mean exactly? Look at some of the skill position players across the SEC at the elite programs. I mean REALLY look at them. When you dig deep enough you'll realize there is no way most of them are going to class and it's even less likely they are making the grades necessary to stay eligible.
It's not just about NIL deals. Those are nice and will get you in the door with some players. But, to be competitive you need to have a system in place where university boards, administrators, teachers, coaches and everyone else associated with the program are all on board with keeping the elite talent on the field. Hell, UK got in trouble for allowing a few guys to hold down gravy jobs driving cars for UK hospital. And I'll bet Barnfart nearly had a cow over that story getting out to the media.
Big time SEC football ain't Sunday school folks.
Look at the Coach......the Buck stops with him, he's the one who's hired bad coordinators/coaches, he's the one who demands a boring/complicated snails pace style of boring offensive and soft zone weak defensive football.
He should take all the blame due to his stubbornness and unwillingness to change. That's the difference between him and other defensive minded coaches like Kirby and Saban who did change scheme/style to play modern college football. They were willing to accept change in order to give themselves the best opportunity to play winning football
