There is something seriously wrong with the program.
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UK Football is now feeling the pain that other schools in basketball have traditionally felt against us. UK, Duke, UnCheat and Kansas have traditionally gobbled up all the great basketball talent year in and out. It takes a special coach, with a gimmick system to steal those high end players from the bluebloods. Teams will catch lighting in a bottle with a few players or a hot new coach.
UK football is feeling the same pain. You can't expect to compete year in and out when the big dogs have 50 5* players and you have 5-10 5* players. To over come that you have to have a gimmick style system, play dam near perfect ball and have a coach willing to risk it all with every play. Stoops does not do any of that. NIL is not going to fix that, as any high end player will want to go to a NFL ready program that will prepare them for the next level. Just like basketball players go to UK, and the other big names to prepare them for the next level. Every once in a while we will get a Josh Allen, Snell or CRod... But with Transfer portal we will be lucky to keep them.
UK football is feeling the same pain. You can't expect to compete year in and out when the big dogs have 50 5* players and you have 5-10 5* players. To over come that you have to have a gimmick style system, play dam near perfect ball and have a coach willing to risk it all with every play. Stoops does not do any of that. NIL is not going to fix that, as any high end player will want to go to a NFL ready program that will prepare them for the next level. Just like basketball players go to UK, and the other big names to prepare them for the next level. Every once in a while we will get a Josh Allen, Snell or CRod... But with Transfer portal we will be lucky to keep them.
Fascinating. Why?
Knowing it will result in no tangible ROI. No sec title, no national title, no playoff appearances most likely.
If cal wasn't basketball coach would this still be your answer?
When you recruit only one season above the 10th in the SEC and pin your hopes on the transfer portal every year for key positions, why have expectations of competing at the highest level? We are a silly fan base that demands that Lucy be our placeholder every year and are surprised when we end up on our back.
I’m not holding out for that and I’m not sure that’s what the problem even is right now. It’s that when we play functionally good teams we don’t even have a punchers chance. People can live with some losses but you can’t ask for people to invest and care when you show up and have no hope of stealing a game. Teams know they just need to play the perimeter speed game and get ahead because we aren’t built to play fast or aggressively. Those are choices made by our coaches. We go big on everything defensively and he’s never really had any feel for what we’re trying to do offensively.
To answer your last question first — YES.
Contrary to belief I have nothing against Cal. I love Kentucky basketball and always will no matter who the coach is.
I just love college football and would be willing to do just about anything to make us more competitive.
Where’s the proof NIL has been a major problem for the program? I keep reading it, but what are some examples?
I can see that viewpoint. He seems to have peaked here but it could easily go much worse with the next hire. I guess we'll have to see at some point when he's gone.
I wish a reporter would have responded to his comment with a question. “Do you not like your current players?” “Are you saying you’re incapable of competing?”
Imagine being a player and hearing your coach say that. I bet they’re ready to run through walls after a statement like that.
On paper, this team is more talented than the 2007 squad that defeated the national champions. The difference is the psyche. That team believed, which was a reflection on the coaching staff. It’s unfortunate that team lacked any quality depth or that season could’ve been really special.
The point is, this team does not believe and plays passive, which is a reflection of this staff. That 3rd & 17 call is the epitome of this staff’s mindset. A mindset like that only provides average results and underachievement.
I don’t think we have boosters sitting around trying to decide if they want to throw a milly at a football player or basketball player
It won't make us more competitive though due to alabama, auburn, tennessee, Florida, Georgia, lsu, Texas a and m, Texas and ou having deeper pockets.
Uk basketball doesn't need u or me anyways to get good recruits so I guess from that standpoint if u had to choose one it makes sense.
I dont feel it's our responsibility as average fans to pay quasi salaries for these players anyways though. Let the rich people do it.
May have a point about coaching , but basketball is fine with NIL as long as cal is here . All NIL has zero ROI , except for one team in each sport . Think about Texas A&M’s ROI ( nil , salary , donations ) right now
Cal makes fun of the football program while the entire country makes fun of Cal for doing the least with the most over the past 20 years. But it is what it is!
Well I’m definitely in 200% agreement with that last paragraph. I’ve spent literally thousands of dollars on me and my family attending games, getting hotel rooms, etc … to take my family of 4 to both Commonwealth and Rupp the last couple years. It’s a thousand dollars every time we go.
That’s what me and my family have to give. That’s it.
You poor thing. Cal stole your heart. Can you get back on your feet do you think?
Last 5-6 years …not 20 . Also , Jimbo Fisher has everyone lapped in that category
Cal hasn't even been at UK 20 years. You are getting ahead of yourself. And Memphis definitely didn't have the most talent when cal was there. In 2008 they were one of 4 amazing teams just like in 2015 with UK, Duke and Wisconsin.
Cal is the Jimbo Fisher of basketball. The modern day Dean Smith!
I know this doesn't address all the problems we see with this team, but I wonder:
Was Jon Schlarman the irreplaceable heart of the program? I think that over the last two years the team has had a very different personality, and not in a good way. Is it possible that Coach S. was the person who held everyone responsible - coaches included?
I was never a player, so I don't claim to know the dynamics of the locker room, but something has been different without him.
Was Jon Schlarman the irreplaceable heart of the program? I think that over the last two years the team has had a very different personality, and not in a good way. Is it possible that Coach S. was the person who held everyone responsible - coaches included?
I was never a player, so I don't claim to know the dynamics of the locker room, but something has been different without him.
Stoops is not able to go further. Nothing will happen, but his era is out of steam. Not even competitive with good teams.
Different levels of expectations but I think there are similarities to giving Stoops the big extension last year as to calipari n 2019. I think the longer Stoops stays the less impressive his tenure will be overall, same with cal.
Then Kentucky needs to find a coach that can achieve more with less. Look at Lane Kiffen at Ole Miss. no reason why UK can’t be similar with the right coach.
Which decade was rich? It ain’t been in the past couple in my opinion. You’re too much Herro. Cal is waiting on your accolades.
This. Or Lance Leipold at Kansas. Kansas was by far the worst P5 team when he took over and look how competitive they are in such a short amount of time. Same with Mike Elko at Duke. I know the B12 and ACC are not the SEC but the point is those programs have less traditions and resources than their conference counterparts.
Right on cue, here comes the UKAA flying monkeys to tell us NIL is the problem, not Stoops.
It's so sadly predictable. You know because Stoops was so competitive against the upper half of the SEC before NIL, ya know. 🙄
It's so sadly predictable. You know because Stoops was so competitive against the upper half of the SEC before NIL, ya know. 🙄
I'll agree with some of that. NIL and the transfer portal are reality. A certain number of
kids will chase money and/or higher level programs. There is no denying that. If it costs us 1-2 good players per year, that becomes devastating over 3-5 years.
Apparently you're new. Myself and others have been saying this since well before NIL or instant transfers were enacted.
UK won a title and went to 4 final fours from 2010 to 2019.
Other than the 90s, best decade since the 50s.
How many licks does it take to get to the center of Cal Tootsie Roll? 1,2,3…. I believe you got it dude.
You are clueless. You obviously don't post on the bball board if you think I'm a calipari fan.
Somewhat related, I like the commentators on the pre-game shows, and they have a lot of insight, but it gets really aggravating listening to them going on and on about something we did good when they refuse to talk about the elephant in the room (e.g. defense) that was the root cause when talking about the previous week’s game for example. Not being able to be objective/critical of the coaching or players AT ALL, dancing around whatever the real issue was really takes away from the quality of their analysis.
No, I just pointed out the 2010s decade was not a bad decade. Sorry that offended u.
What you don’t realize is most of us don’t expect to beat Ga and Ala but we do expect to be competitive. When was the last time we beat someone we weren’t supposed to? Stoops is so conservative and scared I can’t believe we are recruiting as good as we are. What do recruits see that makes them want to play for these guys? We run 50 plays a game. Reserves are seldom used especially on offense. There just is no excitement and basically no hope for us fans that even know the basics about football. I wish Stoops would quit at seasons end but who would walk away from the money that Mitch is paying him for doing a shitty job. I am done. Screw stoops.
Just saw this on Twitter-
Stoops versus top 10 teams at UK: 0-12, average margin of loss of 29.7
They aren’t even close to being competitive in these games.
Stoops versus top 10 teams at UK: 0-12, average margin of loss of 29.7
They aren’t even close to being competitive in these games.
Really? We absolutely do. This was a big story around the time cal made the basketball school remarks. Stoops had gotten in good with the boosters and cal had lost touch with them. There was growing concern that football was gonna take the nil money.
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