Gilmore dismissed from team at NE

[gamecockcat]

Transferred to NE with Shorts and Key. Dismissed for undisclosed reason. According to ESPN article, was doing very well in spring.

At the time, I regretted losing him more than Key. Thought he had a ton of potential and would probably have been a starter this year. Not sure if he was a detriment in the locker room. Don't know what to make of undisclosed reason. Coach said nothing criminal, nothing outside the program. Just won't be on the team any more.

 

[K_TIME]

UK should look into getting him back in the program

 

[justin_uk_5]

UK should look into getting him back in the program

😏

 

[TuckyFB]

If they're thinking about bringing him back, that just shows how little confidence they must have in the WR room atm...

 

[Dallas-Wild]

😏

👌

 

[StlWildcats]

He had a misdemeanor assault charge in Lexington right before he hit the portal

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Sounds like he had a disagreement with the coaching staff, or maybe a player. But not outside the program eliminates quite a few things

 

[Catluv]

He had a misdemeanor assault charge in Lexington right before he hit the portal

Not dismissing what he did but Saban and Smart had players do why more than this and they played their guys. Gilmore I think just turned 18. Might be a little immature. I really liked his game.

 

[LosGatos]

Since he is "off the team", does he have to enter the portal prior to other schools contacting him? Yes, I realize this rules is abused.

 

[HalHR2500]

I would welcome him back

Dude must have some anger issues but is super talented

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

According to the Nebraska board he allegedly stole something from a teammate and Their coach dismissed him.

 

[gobigblue812]

He might be headed back here.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

By all accounts Nebraska offered him a bag noone could turn down. Thats why basically last day, he jumped in the portal and followed his coach there

Knowing they vastly overpaid, and that nil cannot be contingent on him being there, imagine what he must've done there to get kicked out.

Imo no way you take that guy back. Kicking him out even though he got paid is the ultimate red flag to me.

 

[HalHR2500]

One man’s trash is another man’s treasure

Kid has talent, coach em up!

 

[CRZ4UK]

By all accounts Nebraska offered him a bag noone could turn down. Thats why basically last day, he jumped in the portal and followed his coach there

Knowing they vastly overpaid, and that nil cannot be contingent on him being there, imagine what he must've done there to get kicked out.

Imo no way you take that guy back. Kicking him out even though he got paid is the ultimate red flag to me.

I just can’t believe multi million dollar programs are that stupid. No one is offering NIL if you’re not on the team anymore? Right. They just can’t be that stupid.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

By all accounts Nebraska offered him a bag noone could turn down. Thats why basically last day, he jumped in the portal and followed his coach there

Knowing they vastly overpaid, and that nil cannot be contingent on him being there, imagine what he must've done there to get kicked out.

Imo no way you take that guy back. Kicking him out even though he got paid is the ultimate red flag to me.

According to their posters stole from a teammate and Rhule sent him packing. True or not, no idea but that is what they are throwing around.

 

[Chad Rock]

It will be an interesting study one day to research the nastiness that came from NIL and TP. Specific topics are "handing large amounts of cash to young athletes not equipped to manage it" and "how in the world did they obtain an education when all they did was transfer out?"

No idea why HG is out there but maybe UK could entice him back? Maybe double what he left for?

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I just can’t believe multi million dollar programs are that stupid. No one is offering NIL if you’re not on the team anymore? Right. They just can’t be that stupid.

One of the few, maybe only, nil rule is it cannot be incentive based. Iirc playing for a particular team, a number of games, or hitting stats were the specific examples given in the guidance.

So assuming anyone is halfway following the only rule they have, the nil could not be conditioned on him playing or being on the team.

The most famous example of players taking advantage of this was the lsu qb who took his nil and quit before the season. There was no recourse, for this reason.

 

[Boz]

He fits Stoops culture. Sign him up. Honestly, we could use him, and I believe he is worth the risk.

 

[gamecockcat]

Agree that we could/would probably use him quite a bit. But, was he part of the toxic culture that Stoops wanted to get rid of? Has he learned any lessons from the NE experience or will he bring additional problems with him? If he is not a starter, does he pout, spread discontent, slacks off, etc.? A lot of POTENTIAL red flags with him, imo. He could be an asset, for sure. As I said in an earlier post, I was more saddened by his departure than Key. The UK staff would have to have several long discussions with him before I'd bring him back to make sure he understands what's expected and zero tolerance for failing to meet those expectations.

 

[catsfan325]

Either culture was the problem last season or it wasn't. If they bring back Gilmore, all that tells me is the culture excuse was just a scape goat

 

[satcheluk]

By all accounts Nebraska offered him a bag noone could turn down. Thats why basically last day, he jumped in the portal and followed his coach there

Knowing they vastly overpaid, and that nil cannot be contingent on him being there, imagine what he must've done there to get kicked out.

Imo no way you take that guy back. Kicking him out even though he got paid is the ultimate red flag to me.

NIL deals can be contingent on him being on the team. They can also have a morals clause etc. It would be fiduciary malpractice if they didn't include that language in the contract he signed. Only a huge star, who would still remain popular even if they left the team would warrant removal of those clauses.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

NIL deals can be contingent on him being on the team. They can also have a morals clause etc. It would be fiduciary malpractice if they didn't include that language in the contract he signed. Only a huge star, who would still remain popular even if they left the team would warrant removal of those clauses.

Who knows what people really put in them, but they were not supposed to be contingent on performance of any sort nor being on the team.

Perhaps the rules weren't followed, but those were the rules.

 

[sieken]

Who knows what people really put in them, but they were not supposed to be contingent on performance of any sort nor being on the team.

Perhaps the rules weren't followed, but those were the rules.

Nico, the QB at UT supposedly had his NIL rights attached to Knox County. There’s way around everything it seems with NIL. If he left Knox County he voided his contract but supposedly gave up his rights to sign a deal at another school as well.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Nico, the QB at UT supposedly had his NIL rights attached to Knox County. There’s way around everything it seems with NIL. If he left Knox County he voided his contract but supposedly gave up his rights to sign a deal at another school as well.

That deal was the initial pay for play nil deal that started this whole mess. If it for sure broke one of the only two rules, no doubt they probably went ahead and broke the other.

I do think you could legitimately tie nil to a geographic region but it would require them to perform actual in person duties. That particular deal maybe actually has some, since it was early. Nowadays kids send one tweet or something similar thats basically just a farce.

Lets say his too good to refuse deal was tied to being on the team, my opinion doesn't really change. If hes dumb enough to jeopardize that kind of money, he will surely jeopardize even less money at UK.

 

[Bereacat420]

One of the few, maybe only, nil rule is it cannot be incentive based. Iirc playing for a particular team, a number of games, or hitting stats were the specific examples given in the guidance.

So assuming anyone is halfway following the only rule they have, the nil could not be conditioned on him playing or being on the team.

The most famous example of players taking advantage of this was the lsu qb who took his nil and quit before the season. There was no recourse, for this reason.

Idk who you mean by LSU qb. Not all coaches are dumb enough to pay up front. Pope wouldn’t give the SDSU big guy the money up front. In saying there are zero stipulations just isn’t true. This was a few years back but when Ewers transferred he had to turn in the vehicle they leased him. Though it can’t be tied to performance they can have off field and such stipulations to earn it.

Niko is wanting a new deal. His old one according to some of their people was stipulated on him showing up to so many events. They can definitely have stuff that stipulates they show up at x amount of events and covers off the field issues.

Many NIL deals are from businesses, boosters, etc, they can 100% but stipulations on off field stuff in their contracts. If they’re dumb enough to pay all up front then they’re screwed. If they do it through some type of schedule, then what they have paid so far is gone but the rest wouldn’t have to be paid

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Idk who you mean by LSU qb. Not all coaches are dumb enough to pay up front. Pope wouldn’t give the SDSU big guy the money up front. In saying there are zero stipulations just isn’t true. This was a few years back but when Ewers transferred he had to turn in the vehicle they leased him. Though it can’t be tied to performance they can have off field and such stipulations to earn it.

Niko is wanting a new deal. His old one according to some of their people was stipulated on him showing up to so many events. They can definitely have stuff that stipulates they show up at x amount of events and covers off the field issues.

Many NIL deals are from businesses, boosters, etc, they can 100% but stipulations on off field stuff in their contracts. If they’re dumb enough to pay all up front then they’re screwed. If they do it through some type of schedule, then what they have paid so far is gone but the rest wouldn’t have to be paid

Myles brennan was his name. He literally quit football before the season started and kept his nil.

It isnt a matter of business acumen. Of course a normal contract would contain such things. However nil deals had those few rules and were supposed to be reviewed and cleared by the school for compliance.

So it wasnt a matter of good business, it was specific compliance. Also let's be honest, if we're talking roi, none of these are good business for the donor.

 

[Bereacat420]

Myles brennan was his name. He literally quit football before the season started and kept his nil.

It isnt a matter of business acumen. Of course a normal contract would contain such things. However nil deals had those few rules and were supposed to be reviewed and cleared by the school for compliance.

So it wasnt a matter of good business, it was specific compliance. Also let's be honest, if we're talking roi, none of these are good business for the donor.

There not good business for the most part. Having stipulation that you have to have so many tackles, receptions, passing yards, yes rushing, TDs, etc etc….are the performance based things that can not be in the contract. The guy that posts on here ‘ Brady James’ had a deal for a player and they had to sign so many cards or something like that. It is performance but not based on the field and they 100% can do that. You’re lumping on the field performance with Off the field stuff that can 100% be done under the rule. None of it is good business but Pope just lost the kid from SDSU because he wouldn’t guarantee the money up front. Maybe everyone else does but I doubt it

 

[bigblueinsanity]

There not good business for the most part. Having stipulation that you have to have so many tackles, receptions, passing yards, yes rushing, TDs, etc etc….are the performance based things that can not be in the contract. The guy that posts on here ‘ Brady James’ had a deal for a player and they had to sign so many cards or something like that. It is performance but not based on the field and they 100% can do that. You’re lumping on the field performance with Off the field stuff that can 100% be done under the rule. None of it is good business but Pope just lost the kid from SDSU because he wouldn’t guarantee the money up front. Maybe everyone else does but I doubt it

I agree it isnt business, which i stated at the end. Regardless, its the compliance re the nil.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I agree it isnt business, which i stated at the end. Regardless, its the compliance re the nil.

I agree that was the compliance in the beginning of NIL. But it has evolved into a 100% bidding war. NCAA has lost every suit brought against it for decades and has turned into a ruling organization in name only. The organization is turning its head and hoping to last another season before a large group of schools decide to recreat a new organization.

 

[Larry Skaggs]

Turns out that Gilmore wasn’t happy at Nebraska after all

 

[Bereacat420]

Myles brennan was his name. He literally quit football before the season started and kept his nil.

It isnt a matter of business acumen. Of course a normal contract would contain such things. However nil deals had those few rules and were supposed to be reviewed and cleared by the school for compliance.

So it wasnt a matter of good business, it was specific compliance. Also let's be honest, if we're talking roi, none of these are good business for the donor.

Here is a better story on Myles Brennan. He was injured and walked away from football. According to this they didn’t have to pay him after he walked away. Of course he kept the money he was already paid.

Darren Rovell: An NIL cold take on Myles Brennan – Belmont Entertainment Law Journal

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Here is a better story on Myles Brennan. He was injured and walked away from football. According to this they didn’t have to pay him after he walked away. Of course he kept the money he was already paid.

Darren Rovell: An NIL cold take on Myles Brennan – Belmont Entertainment Law Journal

I know at the time the prevailing thought was he would still be paid. I remember they planned to sue him in what would be a precedent setting situation. Guess they either settled or he just abandoned his claim due to the situation.

 

[CNJ1966]

No way in hell do you take this kid back. He’s a thief and most likely a locker room cancer

 

[seccats04]

Either culture was the problem last season or it wasn't. If they bring back Gilmore, all that tells me is the culture excuse was just a scape goat

Culture excuse was just that, an excuse. Most of the players that transferred out had been in the program for several years so it wasn't just a bad batch of new kids. Stoops was the leader of the program the whole time and let the toxic culture take over. All we've heard from Stoops the past several years is him complaining about NIL. He's getting paid over $9 million a year, so nobody is feeling sorry for him. Now all of the sudden he is highly motivated? Why? Because he is on the hot seat? I don't doubt that Mitch put him behind the 8-ball because he was so slow to come around on NIL but again, you're a top 10 paid coach that is barely producing top 40 results most seasons. Figure it out.