I think you are a hypocrite. You don't think for yourself you just think what you need to think to justify the next thought. It's why so many of us laff at you in this thread. None of your thoughts make sense with your other thoughts. Like your whole thing of trying to say you understand non aggression and you think spending is too high yet you are all for sending unlimited money to Ukraine in a war that doesn't affect us. Those are conflicting thoughts and you espouse both.I don't know why you keep saying im a lefitst. You've seen me post about my stances on DEI and other things. You just don't know what to do when someone can think for themself. Like actually think for themself. And not fall in line with their ''party'' on an issue. That's why you're flailing around calling me a Hillary voter.
You have no argument. You just espouse russian talking points. And say the war ''doesnt effect us''. Then when shown facts and historical presedence. You call it ''cia propaganda''. What I mean when I said most of Trump's supporters are idiots.I think you are a hypocrite. You don't think for yourself you just think what you need to think to justify the next thought. It's why so many of us laff at you in this thread. None of your thoughts make sense with your other thoughts. Like your whole thing of trying to say you understand non aggression and you think spending is too high yet you are all for sending unlimited money to Ukraine in a war that doesn't affect us. Those are conflicting thoughts and you espouse both.
Got to love a libertarian that doesn't think the cia uses propaganda on us. And I had a good argument on the fact you complain about spending but would send any amount of money to Ukraine when we don't have a single national interest in that region.You have no argument. You just espouse russian talking points. And say the war ''doesnt effect us''. Then when shown facts and historical presedence. You call it ''cia propaganda''. What I mean when I said most of Trump's supporters are idiots.
I wish the CIA was 1/3rd as based as you think they are. We do have a national interest in the region. When did I complain about spending? I said Ukraine was one percent of our GDP. In a good way. Because you act like it's like 30%.Got to love a libertarian that doesn't think the cia uses propaganda on us. And I had a good argument on the fact you complain about spending but would send any amount of money to Ukraine when we don't have a single national interest in that region.
Sources straight from Russia's mouth is globalist propaganda? You MAGA guys were never bright, but this is a new low.
Trump just said Putins demands are unacceptable. Guess he's a neocon boomer, Hillary voter, warmonger, war lover, POS
I wish the CIA was 1/3rd as based as you think they are. We do have a national interest in the region. When did I complain about spending? I said Ukraine was one percent of our GDP. In a good way. Because you act like it's like 30%.
We don't send literal dollars to Ukraine. We send some cash, but mostly we send billions of dollars worth of equipment, ammo, meds, etc.. Those who benefit are those under contract to make the goods and those who sell their consulting services.
IE: the defense sector who supports who ever feeds them. Pub, Dem, they don't give a flying F so long as the money flows.
It's really just the same big money laundering scheme that has gone on for decades. The problem with this one is that it is leaving the US extremely vulnerable to shortages should we get into a war ourselves.
Trump just said Putins demands are unacceptable. Guess he's a neocon boomer, Hillary voter, warmonger, war lover, POS
Here's the libertarian stance, or is Dave smith actually extreme maga too? Yet again, amazingly, every disagreement, or "everything I don't like" is Russian propaganda, you say. Which i must say, I'm Very impressed that everything has been done perfectly with full plans in place, no mistakes, and has been well thought out. Makes sense with our countries precedent in things like the war in Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc. So no doubt all of this is running smoothly...of course don't question it...disinformation campaigns and allYou have no argument. You just espouse russian talking points. And say the war ''doesnt effect us''. Then when shown facts and historical presedence. You call it ''cia propaganda''. What I mean when I said most of Trump's supporters are idiots.
They areNo interest worth risking WW3... europe should fund and/or fight their war with russia themselves.
Mises Caucus is a paleolibertarianism party. You know they're typically shit on, in libertarian circles for being republicans in masks, right?Love that Richie can only do laugh emoji when he can't respond.
He claims he's a libertarian so I just posted someone who's part of the Mises Caucus (which Richie isn't familiar with bc he actually isn't libertarian) and their thoughts on it...yet he's so warped he can't accept anything but narrative, groupthink, and dogma..which I'm guessing he didn't even watch the video for for that very reason
Reagan was a ''RINO''. There, fixed it for you."The prevailing press narrative is that nearly all Republicans are isolationists who want to withdraw from the world and leave a beleaguered Ukraine to fend for itself. Yet candidates running hard against U.S. support for Ukraine are getting thumped in GOP primaries."
"A recent poll from the Reagan Presidential Foundation and Institute showed 75% of Americans think a Ukrainian victory is important to the U.S."
I wonder if the anti-Ukraine support clique here; i.e., isolationists, knows who this Reagan person was.
How exactly would he end it? He said he doesn't support Ukraine ceding any land to the Russians. Russia isn't walking away from Ukraine without taking some land.He said he would end the war. Selective listening is unproductive. Most demands at the initiation of negotiations are unacceptable. Hence, … negotiations.
They are
Reagan was a ''RINO''. There, fixed it for you.
How exactly would he end it? He said he doesn't support Ukraine ceding any land to the Russians. Russia isn't walking away from Ukraine without taking some land.
Unreal how you believe this. When has isolationism worked?Great, so then we should be able to stop and focus on our own problems.
Problem solved.
I like how you use the useful idiots moniker. It makes you seem smart, above it all. A intelluctal. Yet you openly do the bidding of a political party (GOP). The irony is not lost on you, I'm sure.A poll is not how such things are determined.
The only people who think such are those profiting from it and their useful idiots.
Is anyone saying the war hasn't been devastating? Putin can end the war anytime. He just has to pull out of Ukraine. Why hasn't he?He wants to end the war and stressed how devastating this has been in the terms of deaths and destruction. So, ask him. But, he is not puffing the rhetoric of more war. That is a good thing.
They’re are lots of Republicans who are all in on funding Ukraine till the last one of them is dead.I like how you use the useful idiots moniker. It makes you seem smart, above it all. A intelluctal. Yet you openly do the bidding of a political party (GOP). The irony is not lost on you, I'm sure.
The MAGA wing is really a party within a party. I guess I should have said MAGA. But it fits under the GOP umbrella.They’re are lots of Republicans who are all in on funding Ukraine till the last one of them is dead.
Competent diplomacy is not isolationism.Unreal how you believe this. When has isolationism worked?
I like how you use the useful idiots moniker. It makes you seem smart, above it all. A intelluctal. Yet you openly do the bidding of a political party (GOP). The irony is not lost on you, I'm sure.
1. Trump has said he doesn't support Ukraine ceding land to Russia. 2. So has Biden 3. A few days ago Russian publicy said they would not accept any peace plans, that deal with ceding land back to Ukraine.Competent diplomacy is not isolationism.
What they've done has only served to destroy Ukraine and line some pockets. It's worked. That's what's worked. And that's all that's worked.
.Thhat's not why I use it. I use it in the technical sensse, and have from the start, because it's true. I said from the begining that there is a seductive and skillfully crafted media narrative used to manufacture consent; of course they'll poll 75% agreement.
Tha'ts an integral part of it. I'ts narrative, not reality.
Yeah yeah, we've heard it all. Muh media. It's only brainwashing when it's the other side. Not your side.Competent diplomacy is not isolationism.
What they've done has only served to destroy Ukraine and line some pockets. It's worked. That's what's worked. And that's all that's worked.
.Thhat's not why I use it. I use it in the technical sensse, and have from the start, because it's true and precise. I said from the begining that there is a seductive and skillfully crafted media narrative used to manufacture consent; of course they'll poll 75% agreement.
Tha'ts an integral part of it. I'ts narrative, not reality.
And the Rs are just as pro-war as the Ds.
So you don’t think Democrats have committed many Authoritarian actions? Some even might say, sending a seemingly endless supply of tax payer funded weaponry to a foreign nation. To fight a war a large percentage of those tax payers don’t care about is pretty authoritarian.Yeah yeah, we've heard it all. Muh media. It's only brainwashing when it's the other side. Not your side.
What other authortarian platform will you gravitate to. If Trump loses this year? Or, when his 2nd term is up? Who's the next guy up?
Why do you keep going back to democrats? I don't like either one of them. Republicans say they want limited government, until they get into power. Then it's big government for your own good. Democrats claim to love free speech and personal liberty. Until it's used to stop them, from enroaching on your liberty. Then it's an issue.So you don’t think Democrats have committed many Authoritarian actions? Some even might say, sending a seemingly endless supply of tax payer funded weaponry to a foreign nation. To fight a war a large percentage of those tax payers don’t care about is pretty authoritarian.
You claim to want limited government intervention in our lives. How does that jive with supporting sending Billions of dollars to corrupt governments? Where do you think that money is coming from? Ukraine is losing some of their land. You, Trump and anybody else who believes they’re not are fooling yourselves. Some of us want serious discussions held to end this waste of lives and resources as painlessly for the Ukrainian people as possible. To my knowledge that hasn’t come close to happening since the beginning of the war. Is the US a world leader or not? Bring these people to the table instead of enriching the weapons manufacturers over and over again.Why do you keep going back to democrats? I don't like either one of them. Republicans say they want limited government, until they get into power. Then it's big government for your own good. Democrats claim to love free speech and personal liberty. Until it's used to stop them, from enroaching on your liberty. Then it's an issue.
I wish we didn't have to tax people. But like I said, there's not a way to fix that at this moment.You claim to want limited government intervention in our lives. How does that jive with supporting sending Billions of dollars to corrupt governments? Where do you think that money is coming from? Ukraine is losing some of their land. You, Trump and anybody else who believes they’re not are fooling yourselves. Some of us want serious discussions held to end this waste of lives and resources as painlessly for the Ukrainian people as possible. To my knowledge that hasn’t come close to happening since the beginning of the war. Is the US a world leader or not? Bring these people to the table instead of enriching the weapons manufacturers over and over again.
This sounds fantastic and that whoever this is actually put thought into it. But is anybody in power on either side going to wanna stop sending the commoners into the meat grinder?VD Hanson on how the war can/should/will end:
"...formalization of the 2014 Russian absorption of Crimea and Donbass.
Russia would then agree to withdraw all its forces to its pre-2022 borders. Ukraine would be fully armed but without NATO membership.
Both sides would agree to a demilitarized zone on both sides of the Russian-Ukrainian border. Russia would brag that it prevented its former province from joining NATO while finally institutionalizing its prior incorporation of the Donbass and Crimea.
Ukraine would be proud that, like heroic 1940 Finland, it miraculously stopped Russian aggression. It would remain far better armed than at any time in its history and soon enjoy a status similar to that of non-NATO Austria or Switzerland."
If Putin thinks his millitary can get him some more land, he won't. That's why it's important to bleed em dry.^ Not to be offensive, but I thought everyone here knew who Victor David Hanson is.
Not disagreeing with what VDH thinks is the answer, just don't think Putin settles for this.
Fully respect VD Hanson. However, not realistic and won’t happen.VD Hanson on how the war can/should/will end:
"...formalization of the 2014 Russian absorption of Crimea and Donbass.
Russia would then agree to withdraw all its forces to its pre-2022 borders. Ukraine would be fully armed but without NATO membership.
Both sides would agree to a demilitarized zone on both sides of the Russian-Ukrainian border. Russia would brag that it prevented its former province from joining NATO while finally institutionalizing its prior incorporation of the Donbass and Crimea.
Ukraine would be proud that, like heroic 1940 Finland, it miraculously stopped Russian aggression. It would remain far better armed than at any time in its history and soon enjoy a status similar to that of non-NATO Austria or Switzerland."
Is anyone saying the war hasn't been devastating?
Putin can end the war anytime. He just has to pull out of Ukraine. Why hasn't he?
The MAGA wing is really a party within a party. I guess I should have said MAGA. But it fits under the GOP umbrella.