The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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NBD, right? Not attacking us? 5000 miles away.
"Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper on Friday said Iran is likely to retaliate against Israel for a recent missile strike that hit Tehran's consulate in Damascus, Syria.
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In an interview on CNN, Esper predicted Iran will take action against Israel, but on a limited scale to avoid wide-scale war in the Middle East.
"They are going to act," Esper said Friday. "They're going to feel the need, to uphold their dignity, to maintain credibility with their proxies, throughout the region, and to really meet the demands of hardliners, within the theocracy that wants to see something done.""
www.foxnews.com
"Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper on Friday said Iran is likely to retaliate against Israel for a recent missile strike that hit Tehran's consulate in Damascus, Syria.
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In an interview on CNN, Esper predicted Iran will take action against Israel, but on a limited scale to avoid wide-scale war in the Middle East.
"They are going to act," Esper said Friday. "They're going to feel the need, to uphold their dignity, to maintain credibility with their proxies, throughout the region, and to really meet the demands of hardliners, within the theocracy that wants to see something done.""
Former defense secretary predicts Iran will strike at Israel
Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper predicted that Iran will launch a retaliatory strike at Israel after a missile hit Tehran's consulate in Damascus, Syria.
You said you didn't want Americans dying "over there". That implies to me you're OK with Americans dying somewhere for something. I just want to know where your Obama red line in the sand is. How hard is it? As for moron, thinking that letting Russia take Ukraine is a good idea for the US, you're sadly mistaken & shows your lack of intelligence..
Of course they did. Do you live under a rock? Good lord man, pay attention.
No it doesn't you baffoon. I have said multiple times I'm tired of Americans dying overseas.... period.... when we won't even protect our own border. If you are truly dumb enough to not understand what I just said then please put me on ignore as I read books and talk to people.
Ignoring all facts... OK.... Russia was willing to stop all war if they just went back to Minsk 1. The fact you have to ignore that should send you into a thought circle..... I'll bet you don't get it though. You are basically saying that We do what we want and Russia sucks eggs... And that is cool and all if they take it... it's not so cool if they threaten to use nukes to protect their borders.
Just to be clear, you are saying you want Americans in the Ukraine/Russo war? Because, if you don’t, would you agree you also don’t want Americans dying “over there?”
Sounds like you're in favor of us disarming totally. I mean you offer no line in the sand for defending the US.
No I don't. But somewhere sometime countries need to take of loss of lives in their military & even civilians. I'm trying to find out where you collectively would take that risk for what reason. I get from this that you wouldn't in Mexico or Canada or Cuba. Me, I would.
I don’t generally subscribe to this perspective. What is the foundation for this belief?
I am not completely sure what you mean by this.
I think when there is a threat to the country, the government, with perhaps the military, should respond appropriately.
There once was a philosophy that we did not engage in wars unless we had a vital interest. It appears to me that the interest we have in Ukraine is the weakening of Russia. I don’t see any other real interest.
And, then, Russia seemed less than impressive. So, as we balance the interests, risks, and costs, a never ending war, even from the most callous view of the value of life, does not seem in our interest.
Name-calling has always been fundamental, elemental to the pro-war "argument." And should be illuminating to thwose of suffcieitn discernment.
The reality of "their truth" never even dawns on them as they post JayinKyiv tweets.
The reality of "their truth" never even dawns on them as they post JayinKyiv tweets.
Wherever it is, it is NOT in at an otherwise meaningless and backwards part of Europe where we have no strategic interest other than war profiteering or blakrock. The US and our allies in NATO were never and will never be at risk had we just chosen to negotiate a settlement before the war, during the war, and now. The reverse is true: ht elong we engage this proxy war, the more our lives and way of life in the West are at risk.
Russia has invaded Ukraine 3 times. What the hell do you mean “a settlement”. Russia will just rebuild and launch another invasion. Treaties mean nothing to them. The only thing Putin listens to is force and strength.
He laughed at my post almost immediately upon my posting and then took 15-20 minutes to come up with that stupid dig, as if he has taken up the blade himself. It’s really just stupid. Not other way to couch it. 🤦♂️
IOW, risk American lives for a threat against the country.
Disagree on your U take. I think it's to prevent R expansion aims regardless of their strength.
IOW, you could care less what happens to U b/c in your opinion it has no possible future consequence to the US. I find that view appallingly shortsighted whether that's your actual or not. Whether there's never ending war or not, I believe there's never-ending evil aimed at the US which must be faced vs. ignoring it.
No. I do care what happens to Ukraine, including the people dying for the West’s desire to weaken Russia with only Ukraine boots on the ground. How easy for Americans to sit at home and watch Ukrainians die and pretend this is about Russian expansion.
There is a difference between caring and thinking Russia has created a threat to the U.S. I think the people who want an intact Ukraine and less Ukrainian deaths probably care more about Ukraine than those who want this war to last a decade before the inevitable.
Just an incoherent response that is patently false. You have zero clue what you’re talking about. Unbelievably clueless.
By inevitable, I believe you mean Russia takeover/incorporation of Ukraine. If so, then you really don't care what happens to it. And if inevitable happens, the world becomes a much riskier place imo. The idea that Russia taking over Ukraine is more caring that preventing that is mindlessness.
There's nothing to conclude.
It's all just what I was telling you two years ago; namely, this civil war between the same people could've been easily avoided through competent diplomacy. But it was never the agenda, so it didnt.
Your opinion that this war is necessary fight for the west's survival from an imperialist Russian czar madman hellbent on taking over Europe is an ignorant one. It always has been.
Brothers aren't the same people/person. Duh. I reported Russia's terms then on here a couple weeks back. If you don't recall, they say Ukraine belongs to Russia. If that's competent diplomacy to you, we have different definition of competent.
I see Ukraine losing the territory Russia controls, but doubt it will by neutered.
He say's they're the same "народ (narod)" nation, because they are.
Everyone knows (everyone who actually knows the region) they are the same nation except when it's politically expedient, like the nazi nationalist movement in the western ukr during world war 2. The movement which still has repercussions today.
The blade is being wielded against Russians for we who are against this war?
Is that right?
Talking about people who oppose the ''millitary industrial complex'' when it's not shielding them from harm.
You just described Russian history. To which I say, so what?
So you agree that Russia has a history of not caring about treaties. And invading countries for land conquest. But you constantly rail for ''peace settlements''. Lol, too hilarious.
I guess I don’t follow. Not a big fan of what Eisenhower predicted but I still am a fan of the military protecting me from threats to my country.
We already have NATO to protect from Russia so I’d say we’re pretty well shielded. Until, that is, some idiots bring Ukraine into NATO.
