Yes, disagreed.
Yes, stay out.
No, but I think we could have done more to prevent the Civil War.
Not sure as I haven’t researched this one as much.
completely fine with what we did with Cuba. Keep all the commies out of the Western Hemisphere.
The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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There were probably many reasons why Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky fired Ukraine’s popular commander in chief of the armed forces, Valerii Zaluzhny, on February 8, but one of the biggest seems to have been a disagreement over how to go forward in a war that seemed to have overwhelmingly...
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You're an absolute maniac if you agree that we should have started World War 3 immediately after having finished World War 2. And all to prevent the Warsaw Pact, he says! Let's have a nuclear war, or, at least, a very hot War, to prevent a cold one!
A “role” that belies the claimed evil and threat. No one believes your phony claims about Putin, because you want a weak country like Ukraine to stop the great evils. It’s a joke of illogic.
Did Putin murder Nalvany with a Covid shot?
And did they pump Zelensky with the amphetamines they use to keep Biden awake before his nbc interview?
And did the CIA find any actual Russia collusion in the decade they were freely operating in Ukraine, per the NYT?
Not a good weekend for the Warhawks.
And did they pump Zelensky with the amphetamines they use to keep Biden awake before his nbc interview?
And did the CIA find any actual Russia collusion in the decade they were freely operating in Ukraine, per the NYT?
Not a good weekend for the Warhawks.
I support people supporting Ukraine, but to hear the lies for the reason for support is scary. Again, if there is any truth to the hyperbole, letting a weak country fight this war is cruel and in opposition to the reasons you give for your support and it defies what we have seen from this all powerful Russia. This is propaganda to engender support from the unthinking lemmings who idolize celebrity. How ignoble. If you are the presence you portray, Celebrity, go and fight evil.
Again, for those who lack comprehension, I want Russia to lose this war, but not based on lies already proven to be lies.
Curious if Trump is still wrong for not saying Putin murdered Nalvany?
And if you still believe Putin was the proximate cause of Nalvany’s blood clot, and thus, a murderer, are all politicians who force anything for political reasons that results in blood clots murderers?
Maybe so. It’s hard to know when every argument for prolonging this war seems to rest on the hoax that Putin stole an election for Trump.
My argument for it would be to stop a war criminal dictator who is the leader of one of America's greatest enemies from expanding his reach and influence across Europe until he decides to invade a NATO country where the US would be forced either into war or abandoning an ally. Neither of the two seem all that great.
He’s not invading NATO and triggering a nuclear war.
We already support NATO and so this argument doesn’t make sense.
He could have attacked NATO years ago if that was his goal.
The funny thing (really not all that funny) about dictators is that they do what they want. He could’ve invaded Ukraine years before he did that too. I think it’s very reckless to try to get into the mind of a man like Putin and definitively say what he would or wouldn’t do.
Well let’s think this through. Why wouldn’t he have attacked NATO first, if that was his true goal? He’s ruined his military in Ukraine. Why not save it for NATO?
Yeah, the Putin needs to be stopped to save our children, the future of democracy, or all of Europe has been debunked by those who claim it and by what we have seen of this war. Had Russia pancaked Ukraine, as some predicted, some of that argument could still exist. But, it appears that the goal is to improve the United States power not by making it great, but by spending money we don’t have to damage our enemy who is stuck in a potential quagmire. If China did not exist, that position, while not necessarily wise, would have seemed at least tactical.
Striving for peace in the region would give the United States a visual place as a world leader, if only that. Meanwhile, China breathes easy and a handful of greedy people get even richer.
I can only guess that he prioritized Ukraine because he assumed that they wouldn't be able to put up much of a fight. He underestimated how much outside help Ukraine would receive and it hurt him. If Putin has plans to invade a NATO country, those plans have almost certainly been pushed back several years because Russia has struggled so much in Ukraine (because of outside funding from other European countries with the US).
It doesn't help that Trump outright said that he'd let Putin attack a NATO country if he got back in office.
Are you dense? I mean truly. Are you available in between the ears? There's a video that is easily accessible of him saying that if NATO doesn't pay (whatever the hell that means since defense spending guidelines are meant to be about each country's OWN military budget and are, by no means, mandatory), then he would let Russia do whatever the hell it wanted.
What you probably don't realize is that it is estimated that for the first time ever, every NATO country will reach the 2% threshold when it comes to defense spending compared to GDP. Also, the country that is most likely to be attacked by Russia if Putin were to ever decide to do that (Poland), is the country that spends the most amount of their GDP on defense (even more than the US).
Now is that really the context of what he said, and meant?
He’s not wrong when he says they should pay a lot more for their own protection. In fact, it seems he’s about the only one in either party that will state the obvious.
That they all hate him should be the only red flag a thinking man needs, in my opinion.
Our ration is about 3.5 or 4 from what I see.
Why shouldn’t they match that?
Where in our history did the notion emerge that we would provide free military aid and defense in perpetuity for our allies?
They built welfare systems while we subsidized it. Conservatives have said it for years: there’s nothing special about the European system. You and me paid for it.
I want a guy back in office as the President of the United States who tells our non-USA treaty partners if they don’t honor their commitments to us, they’ll be on their own if Putin attacks, and he may just encourage him to do it.
The point of Trumps quote is it got them to honor their commitments.
If NATO partners aren’t going to live up to their obligations, **** them. We’ve got enough problems to worry about here and abroad.
What, Putin is going to storm through Europe, then US citizens are going to be subject to a ruler who imprisons his political rivals? Who forces major media outlets to censor news or only report favorable stories? Who changes voting laws at the last minute before an election that conveniently goes the way of the uniparty? Who forces a large portion of the population to participate in medical experiments? Etc. Etc.
Putin taking Kyiv doesn’t rank on the top 100 list of things we should be concerned about.
The point of Trumps quote is it got them to honor their commitments.
If NATO partners aren’t going to live up to their obligations, **** them. We’ve got enough problems to worry about here and abroad.
What, Putin is going to storm through Europe, then US citizens are going to be subject to a ruler who imprisons his political rivals? Who forces major media outlets to censor news or only report favorable stories? Who changes voting laws at the last minute before an election that conveniently goes the way of the uniparty? Who forces a large portion of the population to participate in medical experiments? Etc. Etc.
Putin taking Kyiv doesn’t rank on the top 100 list of things we should be concerned about.
The funniest part of this is that you think Russia is some psychotic country who is just waiting to attack other countries. For example, let's say France doesn't pay. Do you think Putin's gonna start bombing France because Trump "encouraged" it? Get real man.
Way to stretch my comments to fit your narrative. They’re led by a war criminal with a massive ego. I’m not suggesting they’d go after the historical powers (France, England, etc.) but would it be out of the realm of possibility that he would try to go after former Soviet countries, especially if Trump retakes office and uses the “they didn’t pay excuse” for why the US doesn’t intervene.
Because the suggested number is 2%. Just because America prioritizes our military, that doesn’t mean other countries need to match us percentage point for percentage point.
I guess if we’re going to take the path as leaders of the free world and fighters for democracy then maybe it could be a good idea to provide aid when democracy is attacked. Maybe you all have a more isolationist view, which is fine (I guess), but if we’re not going to help people then we can’t be shocked if no one helps us.
My point was real. The left went crazy over Trump suggesting Russia go after NATO members not paying their fair share. I asked how likely is that. But to your answer, it sounds like the former Soviet countries better pony up. Why should they be allowed to free ride?
Because they’re in NATO regardless of how much they spend. If you don’t believe in upholding your word then that’s a you problem but the whole agreement was focused on “if one of us gets attacked, we’re all under attack.”
Respectfully, two questions:
- Why would the US want to expand NATO to countries like Estonia and Ukraine. The odds of them getting attacked are much higher than us getting attacked? Them "helping us" is like a pimple on a gnat's ass - nothing substantial at all. Meanwhile if they get attacked, the US is in a war with a Superpower.
- Why would my promise to protect other countries be more important than their responsibility to pay in? You seem to be inviting countries to free ride.
Both questions can be answered by a simple desire to limit war. The more countries that are aligned in peace, the less likely that countries that aren’t involved in NATO are to decide to attack.
There’s a reason Russia doesn’t want Ukraine in NATO. It would mean boots on the ground from all these other countries
None of what I read here explains why they can’t, and shouldn’t, pay the same percentage we do.
We’re broke. They’re not.
I don’t think so at all. Not a single bit of stretching needs to be done to get what he was trying to say there.
