We'll see how this shakes out with Jones and Stoops, but Jones has a much bigger advantage with UT being a football school.
Tennessee fans are losing their minds after Florida loss.
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Theoretically, though I firmly believe that the UK fanbase will become more "football" over time if we prove that our admin is committed to football and also that we can win some SEC football games. As of right now, we are showing that, but that is TBD over time. If Stoops wins 8 games this year, then Mitch should open up the vault and pay the man to keep this going.
You mean the ACC sucks.
Tennessee would compete for the ACC title on a constant basis. Hell, UK probably would too.
Dude, really? This is sports.
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In all fairness to Mitch, he has already opened up the vault for Stoops and his assistants. I'm sure if he gets eight wins he will get a raise, but I hope you aren't talking Saban or Cal money.
At UK, if you get a coach who is recruiting top 25 classes and gets UK to 8 or 9 wins in his third year (for first time since 1984), you pay the guy a ton of money. is it Cal money? Probably not, but at least $5MM per year. The other way to look at it is that UK football brings in a lot more money than UK basketball, so you have to pay the revenue producing guy the most.
Butch is a hell of a recruiter, but as many have said, the juror is still out on him as to if he is a good coach. He followed Brian Kelly to two places and won with some things that were already in place.
Tennessee has gone down hill since winning the National Championship, but after they ran Fulmer out of town, it's been even worse. I think I read 1-21 against Florida, Alabama and Georgia since Fulmer was fired.
Tennessee has gone down hill since winning the National Championship, but after they ran Fulmer out of town, it's been even worse. I think I read 1-21 against Florida, Alabama and Georgia since Fulmer was fired.
They better, he wins 9 games or more this year, a school who is looking for a head coach will make him an offer. I don't know what he is making now, 5 is probably a little high, but he better be offered 4+. Now I don't know who will be looking, I know USC is not a very happy fan base and Stoops has been mentioned by some of them. If I were a UK fan, my big worry would be when Urban has his next breakdown and retires again. Stoops is an Ohio guy, and they would pay big, I don't know anyone else that would really be tempting to him.
Leaving UK for South Carolina would be silly. Especially since we have passed them. We aren't losing Stoops to anyone except maybe one of the top 5 schools in the country. OSU or Bama might be able to do it if those coaches leave but nobody in rebuilding mode will be able to.
Agree with this. Would be tough to keep him if OSU comes calling, but that would mean that we are killing it in football, so good problem to have. Give the man what he wants and pay the man.
I really don't believe Stoops would leave right now. You put in that much work, make this program a winner, and then just leave? I know other guys have done it but I just don't think Stoops is one of them. Maybe I'm naive but as long as we pay him and his staff, give them whatever they need to succeed, and the fans keep showing, I truly believe Stoops stays here at least 5 years. He gives us 5 great years, we should be on solid enough footing to get a great successor. I dread that day though if it ever comes.
So does the ACC even more so, thus the comment about finishing second there. Even losers do well there. Look at loserville.
This^^^ I hope they lose 10 more just like it! Their fan base is one of the worst if not the worst out there and they look at Kentucky as a joke. F them...
Yes, you are naive about this. Most coaches get into coaching looking for the dream job (see John Calipari)
UT, maybe, if they get their act together, but UK? Over FSU, Clemson, Va Tech, Miami? We would be a lot closer to the middle of the pack than in the SEC, but historically, no way we would be competing for the conference championship in the ACC, or any other Power 5 league, on a constant basis. Bud, we are finally making progress but we still have a LOOONNNNGGG way to go.
Yep, OSU and Urban scare me. That guy goes so hard he will break down again in the next 5-8 years. Hopefully, if Stoops leaves for OSU we are a more attractive choice for up and coming coaches than in the past.
That's true regardless of who the coach is at UK. Football is always going to bring in more than basketball.
I think pay should be based on results on the field/court. I think we should pay Stoops a lot more, but not more than Coach Cal...unless Stoops really takes this thing to a very high level.
You're making my point for me. If you're running a company like Ford and your F-150 division brings in half your profit and your Crown Victoria division brings in 10% of your profit, then you had best prioritize the F-150 and make sure that your VP of that division is compensated in a way that's commensurate with profits.
I have no issue with how Cal is compensated, but football is king. You pay Stoops whatever you need to pay him if he is brining in results that far surpass what UK has been able to accomplish relative to its history.
I'm not sure an elite program would take such a inexperienced head coach. Not everybody at Penn State is happy with Franklin right now. That says more about expectations at storied programs as it does Franklin. If Stoops stays at UK and wins the Eastern side of the conference a few times then a program like OSU may give him a look but they hired Meyer after he had won National Championships not merely conference championships.
Iowa, OSU and FSU were the three that I always had thought were possible. You would hope we would get some big wins, bowl games and perhaps a winning record in the SEC before we lost him.
Matt Jones said that he had heard that UK would go up to the $4 million area if teams come after stoops. Given the climate out there and the teams that may be looking the next 3 years....
I think $4 million keeps him here. Texas isn't gonna come after a guy with a couple good seasons after charlie. Osu scares me but they honestly only come if they miss on someone else. Fsu, clemson, miami, or maybe ND are the only places that would give him recruiting advantages plus more money and a path to win a title.
He's not gonna leave for Iowa, kst, virginia, or team like that cause he will have us ahead of teams like that if they try to hire him.
I think $4 million keeps him here. Texas isn't gonna come after a guy with a couple good seasons after charlie. Osu scares me but they honestly only come if they miss on someone else. Fsu, clemson, miami, or maybe ND are the only places that would give him recruiting advantages plus more money and a path to win a title.
He's not gonna leave for Iowa, kst, virginia, or team like that cause he will have us ahead of teams like that if they try to hire him.
I'm not completely sure the Stoops boys don't feel loyalty from those that stick with them is the utmost important factor to consider in these matters. They seem to have learned and hold close the values their father (a man from a different time and different values) taught them so I just think we cannot think of them as we would other men in this profession.
We would/can match any offer we choose. It will be up to Stoops which job he prefers when/if the time comes.
Yeah Tennessee and Kentucky wouldn't compete for the ACC championship I'm a diehard uk and seminole but realistically speaking UK is long ways away from competing for conference titles in any conference.
However they are making good progress every game they play.
All fans lose it after big games, including us!! Just think of the yr when we got the class of the twins, Randle, Young, etc. How bad our record was and everyone was tripping out. But we ended up making it to Final Four.
Tennessee didn't run him out of town. Fulmer should have been forced out 2 or 3 years prior. Retaining him too long is actually the biggest part of the problem. Tennessee was a power house. Go back and look at all the coaches they passed up in a 3 year window to retain an overrated old Fulmer. Most of my ut buddies actually cite this is the problem starter. All of the great coaches were had, and now, Tennessee is seen as a trap position. Fans want to compete for BCS bowls, and coaches know that's kind of impossible right now.
UT has fallen off the map worse than any football program in the country, if memory is serving correctly. They really are no longer a powerhouse SEC program. They are sitting with South Carolina these days. I don't think it will ever change either. Incompotent administration, bad hires, and in an undesirable position in this conference today.
I think we are all well situated to keep him so long as we continue to pay him his demonstrated market value. He is from an old school football family. I think he honestly wants to establish himself as a fixture in a house he built, and is driving nails right now.
Then you aren't paying attention to how bad the ACC is. Tennessee is further along than UK, so they would absolutely be a contender in the ACC THIS YEAR. FSU looks very average, Clemson has been losing to the SEC for a long time (though they have done better in recent years), and Miami and Va Tech are shells of their former selves. UK would compete favorably with Miami and Va tech THIS YEAR. I don't like UK's chances against FSU or Clemson at the moment, but UL certainly gave Clemson all it could handle and I feel that UK could do the same.
Now, could UK have competed for an ACC title in 2013? No. Could it compete in 2016? Looks like it.
