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Stop bashing the players who chose to declare for the draft

cathouse

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They really did not have any other choice.
If they decided to come back and the season gets cancelled, then what?

Wait 2 more years to declare for the NBA?

Sure, some of them are taking a chance on not getting drafted, but they would be taking a far greater risk to their potential NBA careers if they decided to come back and the season gets cancelled.

And I think that is a very real possibility.
 
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gojvc said:
If the college season is cancelled the NBA season will be too.
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Yes. But the draft will take place as planned and those that get drafted will receive the guaranteed money based on the players agreement with the NBA.
If these players miss an entire year playing games, do you think they will better or worse after sitting out a year of competition?
 
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cathouse said:
Yes. But the draft will take place as planned and those that get drafted will receive the guaranteed money based on the players agreement with the NBA.
If these players miss an entire year playing games, do you think they will better or worse after sitting out a year of competition?
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What about the players who don’t get drafted? EJ won’t be picked and most likely at least one of Hagans, Quickley, and Richards won’t either.
 
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cathouse said:
Yes. But the draft will take place as planned and those that get drafted will receive the guaranteed money based on the players agreement with the NBA.
If these players miss an entire year playing games, do you think they will better or worse after sitting out a year of competition?
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would this not also affect every single other player? In effect they would only be better or worse off if they decided to be better or worse off. If no one is allowed to play any games or participate in events wouldn’t you have to improve on your own anyways? I agree bashing players is not really a good look, but it certainly is frustrating seeing so many guys leave for not for sure money. However to each his own, if they want to try to go pro even if they are a 6th round selection in a 2 round draft more power to them.
 
cathouse said:
Yes. But the draft will take place as planned and those that get drafted will receive the guaranteed money based on the players agreement with the NBA.
If these players miss an entire year playing games, do you think they will better or worse after sitting out a year of competition?
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But only the first rounders get guaranteed money, right? So basically Tyrese and Nick. I don’t think anybody has an issue with those guys leaving.
 
cathouse said:
Yes. But the draft will take place as planned and those that get drafted will receive the guaranteed money based on the players agreement with the NBA.
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The only players who get "guaranteed money" under the collective bargaining agreement are first round picks. Only ONE of our guys (Maxey) falls in that category. The rest are projected as either second rounders (Nick, Quickley and Hagans) or not to be drafted at all (E.J. and Whitney).

So doesn't that shoot your own argument in the foot for everyone but Maxey?
 
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CB3UK said:
Some of them made dumb decisions. Deal with it OP. Call a spade a spade.
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Not saying they didn't make a dumb decision. None of them are NBA level players right now. Not even Maxie, in my opinion.

I just think with the uncertainty of the future based on this virus, the choice to return to UK was a much more difficult decision than rolling the dice on the draft.
 
cathouse said:
Not saying they didn't make a dumb decision. None of them are NBA level players right now. Not even Maxie, in my opinion.

I just think with the uncertainty of the future based on this virus, the choice to return to UK was a much more difficult decision than rolling the dice on the draft.
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You do understand the point we’re all making that only 1st round picks get guaranteed money though, right?
 
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cathouse said:
They really did not have any other choice.
If they decided to come back and the season gets cancelled, then what?

Wait 2 more years to declare for the NBA?

Sure, some of them are taking a chance on not getting drafted, but they would be taking a far greater risk to their potential NBA careers if they decided to come back and the season gets cancelled.

And I think that is a very real possibility.
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No, they had a choice. Most of them made poor decisions. And I haven't seen any bashing. Where is the bashing? Saying the kids made dumb choices isn't bashing. It's telling the truth.
 
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gojvc said:
That’s not guaranteed though. They have to negotiate it. How much leverage does the player if there isn’t going to be any games?
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The team can guarantee it. Many second round picks get guaranteed money. The first round is automatic.
 
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Bill Withers said:
Especially if there may not even be a draft, let alone NBA summer league. How are marginal, at best, players going to help themselves make a roster?
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What if there is no college season? If they declare maybe they can get some money from agents.
 
Ed323232 said:
The team can guarantee it. Many second round picks get guaranteed money. The first round is automatic.
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I think maybe you’re not wrapping your head around the term guaranteed as it pertains to the collective bargaining agreement. Yes, of course any team can give a player a guaranteed contract after they draft him in the 2nd round, but NO 2nd round pick gets guaranteed money. It’s up to the team at that point. That’s not the same thing as guaranteed.
 
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Ed323232 said:
What if there is no college season? If they declare maybe they can get some money from agents.
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How much money is an agent giving EJ Montgomery, a guy who won’t be drafted?

I’ll answer that for you. Not much. Much less than a scholarship at UK is worth.
 
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STL_Cat said:
I think maybe you’re not wrapping your head around the term guaranteed as it pertains to the collective bargaining agreement. Yes, or course any team can give a player a guaranteed contract after they draft him in the 2nd round, but NO 2nd round pick gets guaranteed money. It’s up to the team at that point. That’s not the same thing as guaranteed.
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Read what you put. You can get guaranteed contract but it’s not guaranteed. Huh
 
Ed323232 said:
Read what you put. You can get guaranteed contract but it’s not guaranteed. Huh
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Yes, the TEAM that drafts you can CHOOSE to give you a contact. That’s a choice they can make, it’s not a guarantee. I’m confused as to how you’re not understanding the clear distinction.
 
Ed323232 said:
The team can guarantee it. Many second round picks get guaranteed money. The first round is automatic.
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Well, ok. I think you and I are defining “guaranteed” differently. Certainly, a second round pick can negotiate guaranteed money into his contract. In fact, IIRC, Tyler Ulis did just that. But the money isn’t guaranteed merely by virtue of their draft status. Only first rounders have that guarantee. That’s all I’m saying.
 
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gojvc said:
Well, ok. I think you and I are defining “guaranteed” differently. Certainly, a second round pick can negotiate guaranteed money into his contract. In fact, IIRC, Tyler Ulis did just that. But the money isn’t guaranteed merely by virtue of their draft status. Only first rounders have that guarantee. That’s all I’m saying.
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I’m saying the team can draft you in the second and can still give you a guaranteed contract. It’s much more common for that to happen than not. Didn’t Vanderbilt get one? I know it’s the team doing it not just by the draft position.
 
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UK2KJAG said:
A 2nd round pick or undrafted player doesn’t get guaranteed money. Do your research first OP before you chastise the rest of us
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Additionally, if there are no NBA or overseas seasons they maybe quickly forgotten about when the next round of college players become available. Even if the NCAA season is cancelled they can stay in school and be eligible for the following season or draft. If they go and don’t make it and the pro season is cancelled around the world they could easily end up with nothing and no eligibility to play college again.
 
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Ed323232 said:
I’m saying the team can draft you in the second and can still give you a guaranteed contract. It’s much more common for that to happen than not. Didn’t Vanderbilt get one? I know it’s the team doing it not just by the draft position.
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Wait, now you’re saying more often than not 2nd round picks get guaranteed contracts and money? That’s not even close to true.
 
Vanderbilt got 5.9 over 4 years. First 2 years guaranteed for 2.4 or so. Third year was a team option. And he was hurt.
 
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I can’t link stories. I read a 2018 story that said 91 out of 132 picks over the previous 6 years in the second round got guaranteed money. Some were 1 year league minimum
 
Ed323232 said:
I can’t link stories. I read a 2018 story that said 91 out of 132 picks over the previous 6 years in the second round got guaranteed money. Some were 1 year league minimum
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6 x 30 = 180 players

I’d need to see the link. No chance 70% of 2nd round picks are getting guaranteed deals.
 
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Ed323232 said:
I can’t link stories. I read a 2018 story that said 91 out of 132 picks over the previous 6 years in the second round got guaranteed money. Some were 1 year league minimum
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I guess the bottom line is that if you’re drafted in the first round it’s a 100% certainly that you are getting paid. If you aren’t, it isn’t.
 
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