It’s a nice card to be able to play as a fanbase right! We’ve all seen the posts about not buying tickets or not going to games anymore. That’s hard to do when you’ve already put your money in. But NIL $, it’s needed now if you want to compete and get the best players. That’s a lot easier to withhold. Gives the fans more say and could expedite coaching changes. We’ll see I guess.
That same Brooks team that best LSU lost at home to a bad Mississippi st team. Got crushed by a mediocre South Carolina team and lost five games…and only made music city bowl
Which is the SEC motto for real football programs. If you ain't cheating. You ain't trying.
And again.. like I said, injuries hurt that team. We were top 10 in the middle of the season.
Well, the other side of that coin is that Brooks didn't recruit as well as Stoops does, and for sure, that is part of being a good coach. But, if you could swap each coach out and let them play with the talent the other coach had. I venture to say Brooks would probably do a little better record-wise, maybe not vastly better, but I do think he would have done better. We didn't see the same coaching gaffes under Brooks that we do with Stoops that are STILL happening 12 years later.
I could actually see this happening. He seems to hate everything about NIL (don’t really blame him). Just go enjoy life with all your millions.
How can you forget the charismatic former Notre Dame DC? He did have a major success, he got Commonwealth built.
Burton, Little and I believe a key defensive player were injured in that Miss State game.
You have to do something. Other programs do iz they don’t need to be great they need to be average. We don’t even have average right now. And I’d take a guy form lower competition that was good. Most of the trabsfer qbs that have had success have been like that. there are good players at that level. Find them
Not that the citrus bowls aren’t an accomplishment but the accomplishment of that 07 team was even being able to compete at that level. I have posted this before but that was a team with only 56 scholarships to recruit the so-sr classes so no depth and once they lost Raphael Little it knocked off some of the skill position advantage they had to compensate for a thin, undersized and breaking down line. But that was a team largely of 2 stars recruited under restrictions and with the infamous pulldown screen at the end of Nutter for the recruiting room. The win % of the East back then was upper 60’s whereas the stoops era the power had shifted west and east was mid 50’s. Neither had the same circumstances and if both were given the same I would take Brooks to out coach him
But Stoops has always brought in players. Why would we trust him at this point to FINALLY get the right ones after the last couple of years?
Hire someone new and continue paying stoops to inflate balls and wash jock straps until he decides to quit.
I hope you will be right. It is best for both to move on.
They lost to miss state after the lsu game I believe. That was a huge letdown after beating lsu. They were a good team. Brooks is 10 times the coach Stoops is.
No they played Florida after lsu team…but if you want to argue Brooks is ten times the coach who won 2 citrus bowls to Brooks best accomplishment js music city bowls….then knock yourself out
It has not been 50/50 with us on portal QBs. Actually we are more like 20/80. Will Levis had talent but was only 17 - 7 overall. His SEC record was 8 - 8 for the two years he was here. 50% wins is not great but it sure beats other portal QBs. We need to recruit a solid high school QB each year and develop the kids. It is not rocket science. When we go and over pay for a second or third string QB from a winning program, we short our selves by not having enough NIL to surround him with better talent. They are never as good as advertised. It is the old theory of doing the same thing expecting different results.
I think what the argument for brooks is, from me and seems like others, is that Stoops doesn't get to citrus bowls under the circumstances and schedules of Brooks and if brooks had Stoops circumstances he gets that next step. Brooks was a much more well rounded coach. Stoops can recruit better, or let's be honest ...at least vince can, but Brooks was a legit coach both sides of the ball. And if he had stoops facilities and no recruiting restrictions to start I'm not sure his staff were going to totally close the recruiting gap but would've closed it more than enough combined with his coaching advantage. And Brooks had done it all before at Oregon, the field there is named for him. It's not like we have to guess about him. I mean if you did nothing but put stoops facing Urban Meyer at UF and Petrino when he was really rolling at UL, I don't see him finding 9 regular seasons wins to get to that type of bowl in either citrus season. He's losing to one or both of those. If you're just talking about on paper accomplishments no doubt stoops ranks higher but relative to those paper accomplishments the east was a different animal because florida was different and again, lord help him if he was having to coach around only having 56 scholarship players in his upper three classes....
1. It’s impossible to guess how much impact facilities and increased investment makes to a coach….but certainly it can only help. But to be fair…sec money has been way higher across the board for every sec school the last decade as compared to early 2000s
I remember that. After the upset of #1 LSU, the country's eyes were set on Kentucky. Even hosted college game day that next Saturday. The football program took that amazing opportunity and momentum and just shat the bed the rest of that season.
Compare what Brooks had to work with and look at the Sec then vs now and you might see that you are off base. I really don’t care what u think. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and that is fine. But Stoops needs to go. Period.
Brooks didn’t have the luxury of the transfer portal, which has benefitted Stoops and Kentucky tremendously. He had to basically take all of the kids he recruited through their full term and develop them.
Just look at the QB stats over the course of his tenure... pathetic. QB is far and away the most important position in this day and age of football. If you can't coach up a qb and have guys that protect them your defense no matter how good it is gets frustrated and gives up anyway when you can't f'n score.
Exactly. It is pathetic. He tried his best to ruin Levis. Leary was bad. Brock looks terrible but I still believe he could be better than what we’re seeing if he had better coaching. We haven’t developed a QB in his entire time here. I still wonder how Lynn Bowden can even walk after what Stoops put him through.
