NIL or no NIL....UK is a 5 to 8 win program 90% of the time. They will occasionally catch lightning in a bottle and hit the 9-10 mark. All of the NIL in the world isn't going to change that. Stoops is an avg at best HC, and they have been able to field some competitive teams, but any dreams of jumping the bar into elite SEC status is just that, a dream. UK has had a losing SEC record 3 of the last 4 years, and that will be the norm going forward when the two big boys join up.
Stoops says "Pony Up more to NIL if you're going to complain" if we want a better chance to beat UGA..............
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Yeah, we all get it that Kentucky Football is not on the same playing field in NIL with your Alabama's, Ohio State, UGA's, Texas so forth but this is a horse shit cop out for getting your ass blown out in games of this magnitude. Feel totally disrespected by my head coach if I'm in that locker room when your HC is paid among the best of them. If Cal said this after a loss to Kansas or Gonzaga, heads would be rolling. Always been a big Stoops guy but the timing of this remark is piss poor. You can level the playing field and I would still expect Stoops to get steam rolled by Georgia right now.
The best of the best are going to go to the same schools they did before NIL....they want to win championships and go to the NFL. Sure, some schools may have a sweet deal or 3 to get an elite player once in a while, but they will be on an island and playing around 2 and 3 star players. You also left out the most important part....coaching. Stoops doesn't move the needle for most of the top recruits and this is even more evident when he plays better teams.
If they're coached to do something and then make dumb decisions or play like hot shart water, I don't know that they take offense to the comment. I'm sure some will, but if I crackback block some dude after the play is over (for all intents and purposes), elbow drop some dude after the play is dead, or bite on every trick instead of playing my assignment – leading to MULTIPLE huge plays, I might be due some introspection.
I get your comment, though.
Man you hit the nail on the head!
"doesn't move the needle regarding coaching" regarding Stoops is poignant but true. The money he's paid would suggest otherwise ... shout-out to Mitch Barnhart.
Maybe Stoops should consider an idea that he should PONY UP with regard to 'COACHING AND PREPARATION".
Bull crap
Kirby and Saban have done a great job regardless of talent they have (but Saban sure wasn’t anything special in his one year in NFL)
But Sarkesian has never been much without overwhelming talent…and he’s bellying up at Texas
Jimbo has been a mediocre coach to me…but he’s getting all kinds of kids
Notre dame Coach has shown to be not too great on the field..yet he’s sitting in top five
Norvel at Florida State is not a name and he’s stacking up kids
Billy Napier at Florida has shown to be a poorer coach than stoops imo…and he’s sitting top five recruiting now
Oregon…Dan Lanning…newbie but shocking to see he’s in top 10..I wonder if Nike money matters to that rise?
Oklahoma…Venables was a wreck in year one….yet he is now top ten in recruiting…I wonder why?
We could swap rosters and Kirby would still beat Stoops.
You listed the following schools....Bama, UGA, Texas, A&M, ND, FSU, UF, Sooners, and Oregon (who has moved the needle big time in recent years)
So....as I said, the same schools are going to get the best of the best, NIL or not.
Norvel is not a name? He took over a program during covid that had been struggling, and now he is 15-3 his last 21 games, after a successful stint at a sold Memphis program.
You may want to research the rest as well.
Think it's a frustrating time for Stoops. Think he may have thought he was making some headway only to see his team continue to make mistake after mistake after mistake. I don't mean to lay all of this at Burton's feet but a coach has to draw the line somewhere. To allow Burton to "get away" with his constant eff ups is crazy, bench him all ready!
You stated
"You also left out the most important part....coaching. Stoops doesn't move the needle for most of the top recruits and this is even more evident when he plays better teams."
Coaching is important for sure...and Stoops/White/Coen are solid coaching room IMO...not elite but not bums. I'll stand easily by what I posted....Sarkesian, Jimbo, Marcus Freeman, Napier, Venables have plenty of warts. Lanning and Norvel are very new .....but hard to call them good coaches yet.
Bottomline.....sure certain schools have gotten players and that will probably happen going forward....but spare me they are coaching it up. Put Sarkesian at UK and we'd score more but he'd be getting 40 hung on UK week in and week out.
I think I believe what I heard this morning on KSR that they didn't realize how bad of a hit that was. We all saw it from the upper view and it was horrible. If Stoops starts him on Sat, we will have an answer on discipline for sure.
Before smart Georgia had been a good program but they hadn’t been relevant in the title picture in nearly 40 years. Georgia is not Georgia because of the NIL and we use it as an excuse way to much
That may be true but if you are in the crowd that believes coaching doesn’t matter and that its all NIL, then I would say spare me to that
Keep the same teams and give us Kirby and give UGA Stoops and UK likely pulls off the upset. Stoops plays scared even against EKU.
I imagine that's true. The play was being run away from the UK bench so they would've had a poor view(worst place to watch a football game is ground level). I just think a coach, any coach, has to send a message that constant mistakes will not be tolerated. If that means making an example of someone then so be it.
Wood Georgia pay 9 million a year for Kentucky results? And l'm not asking to be GA or Bama because nobody else is either. But, 51-13!!! Totally unacceptable.
Stoops isn't wrong. But most people in this state are blue collar and don't have the money to be doing this kind of stuff. The movers and shakers need to be stepping up. Most of us do well to put money together to take a family to a game.
why?even if he had the players Stoops isn't good enough for the big time.
Imagine you're a player on this team and hear that. He's basically telling them they're not good enough.
One way to lose your locker room which is full of players that by their coach’s own admission…”just aren’t good enough”
This is my biggest problem with his rant. We just got our _sses kicked and the HC blames it on not enough NIL money to bring in players that would be BETTER than the ones we have. Saying this RIGHT AFTER he says "No excuses" for the way we played.
This is a HORRIBLE INSULT to the current players!!! No way around it!!
Earlier in the day Coach Stoops said in his noon PC that he wasn't going to allow any "moping". Heck, a statement like this one on the Call-In Show would be a REASON for HIS players to MOPE!!!
It's a HUGE smack in the face to our team!!!
You got to have players that want to improve their game. Not NIL, Not recruiting the numbers game......just teach and improve players.
Deion Sanders at Colorado.....How'd they beat TCU and get close to USC?
Deion Sanders at Colorado.....How'd they beat TCU and get close to USC?
The PFs by our own players were a smack in the face. Stoops really stuffed his Nikes in his mouth, yes, but the players themselves are accountable for their actions as well.
As a very dedicated Stoops supporter, that's just not a good look for him.
You are exactly right. We can’t expect to win games when we have teams with some 4 star players sprinkled around among the 85. Georgia has 5 star players as backups. We have 3-4 guys on the team that may play in the League. Georgia has 10 times that amount. Measure the difference in the NFL talent and college talent. It’s men against boys
I have a hard time justifying ponying up for college kids on scholarship when there are so many needy charities in the world (being not of the independently wealthy sort).
If you don't execute and you make stupid idiotic penalties ...you're not beating good teams much less the top teams. Have several on this team that need some pine time.
This is the correct answer!!!!! You could give him Georgia's talent and because of his philosophy on offense he'd be an 8 win team each season. You're in what, year 12 and still have a problem. No excuses. He himself is VASTLY overrated and overpaid.
Players deserve criticism when warranted. I never subscribe to the theory they are just kids and absolved from being criticized in the NIL era getting paid especially the ones they rake in the dough themselves. That said, there are ways of address bullshit performances and penalties especially with Burton. I don't believe in general this comment is one that needs to be said. Some of them bust their ass off like Ray Davis and others, your coach just threw you all under the bus saying you aren't good enough for him to beat Georgia. It's true they aren't good enough to be competitive vs UGA but that comment would also rub me wrong as well if I'm a recruit knowing my coach thinks he is better than all of us and he is the one ultimately responsible for the product on the field.
Hit Joe Craft up for some money. Dude paid 10 million for a ham at the state fair.
it’s funny how salty these coaches get with fans when they get the big money. Stoops and Cal both have been more direct with fans after getting the big bucks and performing below the level they should.
it’s funny how salty these coaches get with fans when they get the big money. Stoops and Cal both have been more direct with fans after getting the big bucks and performing below the level they should.
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