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Stoops says "Pony Up more to NIL if you're going to complain" if we want a better chance to beat UGA..............

A coach cannot direct money to NIL via his own pocketbook. The way he could help with with appearances for NIL orgs etc. Which he does. And I don't think, and neither does the NFL, that UK's roster is ready to challenge UGA for the top spot in the east. No way, No how.
I don't know, but does Stoops' salary come from the state/UK or from booster donations? If the latter, he should tell boosters to donate more to NIL than to his salary. Wouldn't that get around the issue.

UK was always going to lose the NIL wars with us being a smaller & poorer state with fewer wealthy backers. Is this coming home to roost now? Beats me. Yes, he should not have brought the issue up at that time in that format.
 
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If he's going to say that, he needs to get ready for some backlash. Georgia was better the last two years, and we played them closer than this year and we are supposed to have better players. Maybe he can defer some of the 8 million he makes a year to an NIL fund. There is a way it can be done.
Last year was a deep freeze game. It was only a two score game due to it was damn near impossible to throw in that weather…truth be told…we’ve not been within three scores each year….this one got out of hand

But to your point…it was stupid thing to say given how poorly Ky executed regardless of talent level
 
I don't know, but does Stoops' salary come from the state/UK or from booster donations? If the latter, he should tell boosters to donate more to NIL than to his salary. Wouldn't that get around the issue.

UK was always going to lose the NIL wars with us being a smaller & poorer state with fewer wealthy backers. IS this coming home to roost now? Beats me. Yes, he should not have brought the issue up at that time in that format.
The articles I have read say coaches can’t give directly no matter where the $/salary comes from. I think there is a better place to bring the NIL up, but if you read the whole comment/statement, it was half taken out of context.
 
"because that's how Georgia does it."

On his radio show tonight when a caller called to complain about the performance against the Dawgs, Stoops said this after JUST saying he wasn't going to make excuses. Hey coach, what do you think that is??!!!!!!

What do our current players think about this comment?
Is Coach Stoops saying our current roster is not capable AS IS to beat UGA?
He makes $9 million/year!!! Why can't he divert some of that BANKROLL toward NIL??!!!!

Thoughts?
If NIL isn't fixed to provide parity across the board for all student/athletes and this is the attitude of this and all coaches, winning doesn't mean anything. I care more about the well-being of my family than giving hard earned money to college athletes already receiving a free education. Why would anyone even care ... AT ALL? NIL will end college sport as we know it unless parity is established. Ignorant mismanagement of NIL by morons has brought us to this point all while minimizing the value of education.
 
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"because that's how Georgia does it."

On his radio show tonight when a caller called to complain about the performance against the Dawgs, Stoops said this after JUST saying he wasn't going to make excuses. Hey coach, what do you think that is??!!!!!!

What do our current players think about this comment?
Is Coach Stoops saying our current roster is not capable AS IS to beat UGA?
He makes $9 million/year!!! Why can't he divert some of that BANKROLL toward NIL??!!!!

Thoughts?
If I could speak two words to CMS it would be "PONY UP"
 
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Two thoughts:

1). NIL will play a big role in the future of this program. It's where things are in big time college football.
2). Piss poor timing by Stoops to even bring that up. You get your ass handed to you and one of your responses is for fans to give to NIL more. You do that after a big win and say something like, "In order to continue to compete and beat these top tier programs, we have to continue to make progress with NIL. That includes everyone giving to the 15 Club, even if it's $5.00/month."

This rest of the season hinges on this Saturday imo. We win and I believe we go 8-4 or 9-3. We lose and I can see 6-6 easily.
 
Stoops' teams show up unprepared and unfocused to multiple games every season. This isn't an isolated occurrence with his teams. It just is what it is, and Stoops will not change or grow to improve past it.

Saying "pay more" to fans who (as a fan base) can't really afford it is inexcusable. There aren't any excuses for what we saw at UGA. No one reasonably expected to win that game, but the lack of effort and poor discipline were obvious.

Stoops is a mediocre coach who is fine with getting paid top money for going to middling bowl games most seasons. You won't get any more than that, because he just doesn't demand more from his players and assistant coaches.

As a program though, I am not sure we can count on UKAA and Barnhart to hire anyone better.
 
Yes hes very wrong .. you never aim your cannon ( microphone ) at BBN .. never . And esp after YOU didnt have your mentally prepared on several occasions the past 2 years .. do your job and SHUT UP . as a several year season ticket holder and general supporter of Stoops this infuriates me .
I’m not saying it was a good move, I’m just saying it’s not untrue. There is still no reason for a team like ours to get totally obliterated in every area of the game and not even compete and that’s on him, it’s happens quite a bit under him.
 
You don't have to win bidding wars to have a talented football team.. If you think UGA doesn't have a powerful NIL base, you are out of your mind. Geez Grump you know better than that...

I said UGA's NIL goes to current players, not recruits. We just lost a kid from down the road who had been to campus 50 times the last 2 years because we wouldn't pay him more than a frosh AA was getting. A top 10 player at that, just lost a WR to Miami for same reason. UGA doesn't win the bidding wars. A TE was wanting a bigger NIL than Bowers is getting. I am sure that will kill us down the road but it's working pretty well. UGA doesn't have the super wealthy booster, our biggest is a liquor distributor.
 
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UGA has an NIL program but if NIL is the number 1 thing a player is after he isn't picking UGA. Kirby believes NIL should be rewards for current players. This past year we lost multiple players to NIL, brought 2 in. Team chemistry is important, who do you think spent more on the transfer portal, UGA or UK. UGA brought in 4, 2 WR, a kid who signed with ATM and got kicked, his dad went to HS with Kirby and asked him to give the kid another chance. He did and kid was gone in a month, and a walk-on from UT who is from Athens. Kirby believes paying newcomers big NIL deals disrupts team chemistry. Now no doubt Bowers is getting some good NIL, but he didn't come to UGA because of NIL.

I am all for players getting paid, but the bidding wars are nothing but auctions.
It’s not about transfers, it’s about recruiting. If you think UK has the NIL options Georgia does for incoming players I don’t know what to tell you. We aren’t in the same stratosphere. It’s like us in basketball vs. Georgia.
 
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Stoops' teams show up unprepared and unfocused to multiple games every season. This isn't an isolated occurrence with his teams. It just is what it is, and Stoops will not change or grow to improve past it.

Saying "pay more" to fans who (as a fan base) can't really afford it is inexcusable. There aren't any excuses for what we saw at UGA. No one reasonably expected to win that game, but the lack of effort and poor discipline were obvious.

Stoops is a mediocre coach who is fine with getting paid top money for going to middling bowl games most seasons. You won't get any more than that, because he just doesn't demand more from his players and assistant coaches.

As a program though, I am not sure we can count on UKAA and Barnhart to hire anyone better.
Perfectly said!!!!!
 
Two thoughts:

1). NIL will play a big role in the future of this program. It's where things are in big time college football.
2). Piss poor timing by Stoops to even bring that up. You get your ass handed to you and one of your responses is for fans to give to NIL more. You do that after a big win and say something like, "In order to continue to compete and beat these top tier programs, we have to continue to make progress with NIL. That includes everyone giving to the 15 Club, even if it's $5.00/month."

This rest of the season hinges on this Saturday imo. We win and I believe we go 8-4 or 9-3. We lose and I can see 6-6 easily.
Why would I care about winning another game? I'm just too concerned about the disparity of NIL and my inability to PONY UP to satisfy some delusional ill-prepared and overpaid coach. I suppose if I we're "handed" $9 million per year it would be a bit easier to play the role as a schmuck dumbass and PONY UP to watch college football players still learning to play the game while being taught to play the game by coaches still learning how to coach. We all live in a lowest common denominator world, I suppose. Stoops PONY UP comment is regrettable and will be remembered as being a Calipari-esque moment.
 
Against Texas probably not but against UK yes you probably would.

We seldom recruit the same players, we are both recruiting a kid this year and he is likely signing with UK. But to your point, we have lost multiple recruits to FSU this cycle, to AU and Miami. One to Miami after the choke job Cristobol pulled against Tech. 4 kids who were committed to us.

But this conference really surprised me about CMS. Calling the UK fanbase out like he did, granted Leary hasn't been what everyone was expecting but I was surprised he was thrown under the bus like he was, bench him and give someone else a shot.

CMS has always been intense on the sideline, gotten in an officials back pocket plenty of times. I didn't see any of that from him this weekend, reminded me of Mark Richt. Just much calmer than I expected.
 
He has a point.

UK has NO Big Donors that the likes of UGA, Texas, Oregon, etc. has. We don't have the kind of corporate donors like that to "Buy Players" and that's exactly what they are doing with NIL. It has changed everything. So, everyone else has to rely on the Transfer portal to go get the talent that isn't "good enough" to be bought by said schools.

Take UGA for instance, they are by far the biggest university in the entire state of Georgia, so they will get the massive corporate donors. I'm also sure that Texas gets much more NIL donors than Texas A & M.

If Kroger, Lexmark, Toyota, Pepsi, Buffalo Trace, Mariott, and JIF wants to pony up and donate, then that would be great! But they can't be made to do so.
 
Stoops' teams show up unprepared and unfocused to multiple games every season. This isn't an isolated occurrence with his teams. It just is what it is, and Stoops will not change or grow to improve past it.

Saying "pay more" to fans who (as a fan base) can't really afford it is inexcusable. There aren't any excuses for what we saw at UGA. No one reasonably expected to win that game, but the lack of effort and poor discipline were obvious.

Stoops is a mediocre coach who is fine with getting paid top money for going to middling bowl games most seasons. You won't get any more than that, because he just doesn't demand more from his players and assistant coaches.

As a program though, I am not sure we can count on UKAA and Barnhart to hire anyone better.
Well reasoned and I believe to be true for the coaches and administration. Paying money to recruit better players for mediocre coaches doesn't change the fact that the coach is still mediocre. Would poorly coached players who are more talented make a real difference? I don't think so ... certainly not over time. More NIL money will always be the "claimed" limiting factor for bad coaches.
 
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I said UGA's NIL goes to current players, not recruits. We just lost a kid from down the road who had been to campus 50 times the last 2 years because we wouldn't pay him more than a frosh AA was getting. A top 10 player at that, just lost a WR to Miami for same reason. UGA doesn't win the bidding wars. A TE was wanting a bigger NIL than Bowers is getting. I am sure that will kill us down the road but it's working pretty well. UGA doesn't have the super wealthy booster, our biggest is a liquor distributor.
Grumpy....I get Auburn, TN, Texas AM....and Bama as well are buying dudes at a higher level than UGA does. But let's quit pretending UGA is a pure program in terms of paying dudes. The system in place is what it is and forces you to get on the bus or get run over by it. But UGA NIL $$$$ is a part of why they have a stacked roster....it isn't just about you get to play for championships and get to NFL.

Make no mistake...you guys needed WR and you went out and plunked RaRa Thomas and Lovett off SEC rosters to fill your needs...and NIL $$$ was a huge part of why they are bulldogs vs. tigers/aggies.
 
We seldom recruit the same players, we are both recruiting a kid this year and he is likely signing with UK. But to your point, we have lost multiple recruits to FSU this cycle, to AU and Miami. One to Miami after the choke job Cristobol pulled against Tech. 4 kids who were committed to us.

But this conference really surprised me about CMS. Calling the UK fanbase out like he did, granted Leary hasn't been what everyone was expecting but I was surprised he was thrown under the bus like he was, bench him and give someone else a shot.

CMS has always been intense on the sideline, gotten in an officials back pocket plenty of times. I didn't see any of that from him this weekend, reminded me of Mark Richt. Just much calmer than I expected.
I thought Kirby was more classy than to go for it on 4th and goal from the 7 ahead by 31 points when there was only 2 minutes remaining. I guess we were both surprised by the opposing coaches.
 
It’s not about transfers, it’s about recruiting. If you think UK has the NIL options Georgia does for incoming players I don’t know what to tell you. We aren’t in the same stratosphere. It’s like us in basketball vs. Georgia.

OK, where is UGA's NIL come from? You seem to know from where and how much.
 
"because that's how Georgia does it."

On his radio show tonight when a caller called to complain about the performance against the Dawgs, Stoops said this after JUST saying he wasn't going to make excuses. Hey coach, what do you think that is??!!!!!!

What do our current players think about this comment?
Is Coach Stoops saying our current roster is not capable AS IS to beat UGA?
He makes $9 million/year!!! Why can't he divert some of that BANKROLL toward NIL??!!!!

Thoughts?
Sad that it‘s come to this in “college” football.
 
Poor timing and more than likely an out of anger statement, he probably regretted it later on.

But at the end of the day fans are expected to pay crazy ticket prices, keep up with cable packages that are skyrocketing, and then supply money for NIL to give to players that can bolt at any minute. All while coaches, and now players, are making big bank. Sounds like a fair trade.
 
I thought Kirby was more classy than to go for it on 4th and goal from the 7 ahead by 31 points when there was only 2 minutes remaining. I guess we were both surprised by the opposing coaches.

Would kicking a FG been any better, UK had a better chance of stopping the play than stopping the FG. Taking a knee would be a slap in the face to backup who have worked a fall and that drive, and then told to take a knee. I bet they give a little better effort on scout team this week.
 
Poor timing and more than likely an out of anger statement, he probably regretted it later on.

But at the end of the day fans are expected to pay crazy ticket prices, keep up with cable packages that are skyrocketing, and then supply money for NIL to give to players that can bolt at any minute. All while coaches, and now players, are making big bank. Sounds like a fair trade.

Give up your money with no guarantee of winning anything that ever matters like sec title, playoff game or national title. Lol.
 
NIL is broken, and I don't see how there's really any way to cap salaries at this time. Until the issues with NIL are addressed by some body with authority (not looking at the NCAA), the best of the best will go to big name schools with tons of money. It just is what it is.

The disparity seen across college athletics will skyrocket (assuming nothing is fixed) over the next decade or so as NIL bleeds lower programs of their best and brightest. Student athletes should absolutely be compensated for their name, image, and likeness, but millions (hyperbole) of dollars just for posing for a picture on a billboard is f-n ridiculous.

I've ways wanted student athletes to benefit from video game sales, autographs, and just in general thanks to collectives that distribute the money evenly across all scholarship players. Scholarships are great... were great, but with practice and schoolwork, there's no time to work for extra $$$ to go hang out and be a young adult in college. That's where NIL should've shined.

The highest bidder approach sucks, and the fact that NIL was enacted without any semblance of oversight by a governing body was a recipe for disaster.

Stoops' comment was poorly timed and poorly worded, but I can understand his frustration.
 
If we get better players will he promise to play aggressively in big games and not hide in his 10 yard deep zone shell? If so, put me down for 5 dollars.
 
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This is like going to PETA and asking for money for the Texas Cattleman's Association.

This is a very bad whiff from Stoops. Tone deaf and reeks of a rich man whining. Especially after getting your butt handed to you.

"We lost by 37 because we don't make enough" is EXACTLY what that sounded like. And if if there is a kernel of truth there, you can't die on that hill when your team looked like ass. It insulted the fan base, and indirectly insulted the players! You can't win a pissing contest with the fan base, right or wrong. Cal has shown that. The only reason your making 8-9 million a year is because those fans HAVE ponied up to put butts in the seat and watch the games. Even those at home on the couch support monetarily through views and merch. If those fans stop coming, and ticket sales decline and views decline, you can guarantee a coaching change would happen quickly.
 
Give up your money with no guarantee of winning anything that ever matters like sec title, playoff game or national title. Lol.
There’s a part of me that hopes this causes it to level out eventually, but it’s probably a long shot. A lot of money being thrown around to players who won’t even sniff getting their teams to the top. Add in the open transfer portal and your investment could hit the road at any point.
 
The articles I have read say coaches can’t give directly no matter where the $/salary comes from. I think there is a better place to bring the NIL up, but if you read the whole comment/statement, it was half taken out of context.
Ok, but if it comes directly from boosters in large part vs. the UKAA, then he could tell boosters to give to NIL instead - what I was trying to ask.
 
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Would kicking a FG been any better, UK had a better chance of stopping the play than stopping the FG. Taking a knee would be a slap in the face to backup who have worked a fall and that drive, and then told to take a knee. I bet they give a little better effort on scout team this week.
Listen you can defend him all you want but most coaches wouldn't go for it in that situation. He would not have went for it was a 7 point game so to go for it in that situation was just being a classless douchbag trying to run up the score IMO. After his comments post game he may have been ticked off over the 2 unsportsmanlike penalties and trying to send a statement but either way it seemed out of character for the class he has shown in the past.
 
Ok, but if it comes directly from boosters in large part vs. the USAA, then he could tell boosters to give to NIL instead - what I was trying to ask.
IMO, that's the battle that is/was going on with Mitch. There are only so many donors and so much money to go around and Mitch wants them to give to the athletic department, while Stoops knows those donors need to give to NIL for us to compete into the future.
 
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I said UGA's NIL goes to current players, not recruits. We just lost a kid from down the road who had been to campus 50 times the last 2 years because we wouldn't pay him more than a frosh AA was getting. A top 10 player at that, just lost a WR to Miami for same reason. UGA doesn't win the bidding wars. A TE was wanting a bigger NIL than Bowers is getting. I am sure that will kill us down the road but it's working pretty well. UGA doesn't have the super wealthy booster, our biggest is a liquor distributor.
Again. You don’t have to win bidding wars to have an awesome team at UGA. Other schools must pony up big NIL. Geez man you are making my case.
 
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