Pony up and buy better players so Mark Stoops can coach them to a 5-7 record.
Stoops is spiraling now...
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Or maybe just develop Cutter Boley, Aba Selm, Malachi Wood, Colby Keenum, Gilmore, Anthony Brown-Stephens, Willie Rodriguez, Kamari Anderson, Jarmion Wilcox and quit bitching about resources.
I get NIL is an uphill climb....but we have good talent on roster....coach it up like you used to.
I get NIL is an uphill climb....but we have good talent on roster....coach it up like you used to.
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All those names had as high (or higher) recruiting profiles than dozens of players recruited and developed between 2015 and 2020. But they are on a team with about 30 players who were Top 300 recruits, unlike the teams we had from 2015-20.
Either there have been multiple recruiting misses, poor development, or a combination of the two.
Our supposed woes regarding NIL did not lead to an FCS-like beat down at home by South Carolina, as their NIL trails our own.
We overspent a bit lol. Maybe worth 20k. Maybe.
Look heres the bottom line. Nobody doubts that better players make everything easier, but we have consistently recruited at a top 25-30 level and from what I can anybody esle can see is we have enough real talent on this team on both sides to compete at that level too. And that includes depth at most positions. We dont have UGA or Ohio St talent but we have top 25 talent as far as physically gifted players and thats just a fact anybody with eyes can tell. Do we have weak points yes and the Oline is sure one of them but even there there are some highly recruited players that are physically gifted that just arent performing at the levels they should. But overall we have more physical talent and recruiting ranked talent on this roster than we may have ever had in our history.
So here is what I'd say to the Coash and any others that default to all of our problems are purely an NIL thing and we'll never be able to compete until we fix that . . . bull crap! Get better and what you do first. Be better developers, be better strategist, be better teacher, disciplinarians and motivators and be better game managers. That's where we're falling behind IMO. If not why are USC, Indiana, Missouri, Tulane, Boise St, SMU, BYU and others getting it done.
So here is what I'd say to the Coash and any others that default to all of our problems are purely an NIL thing and we'll never be able to compete until we fix that . . . bull crap! Get better and what you do first. Be better developers, be better strategist, be better teacher, disciplinarians and motivators and be better game managers. That's where we're falling behind IMO. If not why are USC, Indiana, Missouri, Tulane, Boise St, SMU, BYU and others getting it done.
Rules don't allow that, but he actually said that same idea in an interview this past offseason.
Has Stoops thought about maybe becoming a good coach? That might help. This is the most talented team on paper he has had at UK and it probably won't be a bowl team.
What's "ponying up" gonna fix when the head man in charge can't coach to save his life?
What's "ponying up" gonna fix when the head man in charge can't coach to save his life?
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And the whole probation thing was weird. I don’t entirely buy they didn’t know what was going on.
Stoops is good against non conference teams but a total failure against SEC schools the guy needs to be gone.
I agree. I am in favor of a Cal type departure by Stoops.....where the separation is fairly amicable and all parties can get a fresh start. My point was that Stoops is trying to fight for whatever he can get. It's not eloquently put, but I'd rather see someone fight to the end rather than just give up.
No amount of money in the world is going to make a Mark Stoops team/program :
1.) Commit fewer dumb penalties
2.) Execute in the middle 8 (and especially the last two of the first half)
3.) Develop a QB that has been in our program for more than 2 years
4.) Maintain an OC and a general offensive philosophy
5.) Establish a good locker room culture (we had this when Schlarman was coaching)
6.) Be efficient in our special teams game
7.) Not play down to the level of competition
8.) Win consistently against teams of similar strength and show up for big games (especially UT)
9.) Instill actual discipline and develop leaders within the team (we had this when Schlarman/Sumrall were here)
So I suppose the situation is more like Cal than I realized. Mark had it all when he had the best players (Allen/Terry/Benny, etc.) and some of his best coaches (Sumrall, Schlarman and 1st go round Wolford). But now that all of that is gone, it's suddenly a money issue when we have gotten big name transfers, doled out millions for a sub par QB and kept our big name guys from the funds we were able to raise.
If anyone should pony up, it's the guy making 9 million a year for a 1 million a year level product.
1.) Commit fewer dumb penalties
2.) Execute in the middle 8 (and especially the last two of the first half)
3.) Develop a QB that has been in our program for more than 2 years
4.) Maintain an OC and a general offensive philosophy
5.) Establish a good locker room culture (we had this when Schlarman was coaching)
6.) Be efficient in our special teams game
7.) Not play down to the level of competition
8.) Win consistently against teams of similar strength and show up for big games (especially UT)
9.) Instill actual discipline and develop leaders within the team (we had this when Schlarman/Sumrall were here)
So I suppose the situation is more like Cal than I realized. Mark had it all when he had the best players (Allen/Terry/Benny, etc.) and some of his best coaches (Sumrall, Schlarman and 1st go round Wolford). But now that all of that is gone, it's suddenly a money issue when we have gotten big name transfers, doled out millions for a sub par QB and kept our big name guys from the funds we were able to raise.
If anyone should pony up, it's the guy making 9 million a year for a 1 million a year level product.
IMO, giving more money to bad coaches fixes nothing. It's coaching first. For Stoops, lack of NIL is a useful tool to deflect from the obvious problem within this program which is poor coaching and mismanagement. After 12 years of 1 step forward and two steps back, the writing is on the wall. This program is going nowhere under Stoops.
His teams are more often then not unprepared and undisciplined and the offense barely knows what a forward pass is.
Yeah every day that goes by the situations appear more and more identical. There are many things to discuss what isn’t being done well etc. but really if you want to boil it down to the main thing it’s that he’s proven incapable of putting offenses on the field. Basically in any environment of college athletics. His lone functional offense came from using the portal and nil but he complains about it non stop.
And SC is a relatively young team and didn’t come into the season with any qb they were going to be able to lean on.
That is my (repeated) point!
We can’t blame lack of wins on lack of raw talent if recruit rankings mean anything.
We have recruited talent that should win 7 to 10 games a year.
Stoops saying he can't be competitive without more money is a losing argument. People will not invest in something without feeling there is a reasonable likelihood the venture will be successful. Simple question,if Stoops had huge NIL money would he be successful. I don't think he would. Give him and say UT and Bamas coaches the same money and see who co.es out on too. Stoops will never be competitive in this environment because a significant portion of our fan base no longer believes in him. He needs to go for his and everyone else's sake
At least I now know why we suck , Ole Mark is down at the bank trying to balance the check book !! If only he would address his own flaws instead of the system's . The school wont see my season ticket money til his ass is gone . Period . Not OC's or DC's or Nancy's .. he needs to go .
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Absolutely spot on. Stoops' attempt to deflect criticism for poor performance onto the schedule and a faux talent deficient doesn't hold up. The issues are structural and it starts with the man in the mirror.
I won’t pull them up, but most long-term posters here know I have some lengthy threads through the years comparing our annual recruiting haul to our typical opponents (SEC and Louisville).
And by every measure I have seen, our classes are better measured against our opponents than were the classes that took us to the Citrus Bowl victories.
Recruiting misses? Lack of development? Exaggerated sense of entitlement?
Does it matter, as any weakness is ultimately the responsibility of the Head Man.
We have more 4 Star players than we’ve had since the Star system was developed: we have more defensive “Blue Chip” players than we have starting spots.
You do good work Hack , appreciate ya !! GO CATS , I was 4 rows off the floor last night at the hoops game .. it's GREAT to win and have a hoops team to root for , but nothing is like football.
Yes.
My tender years were all roundball, and then came Art Still when I was 12-14. I’ve been hooked, since.
I still do some basketball, but got so incensed with Cal, I quit watching even televised games in 2017/18.
I have a very good, very wealthy friend with high dollar Rupp tickets. Any time she offers them to me, I find someone deserving who really still cares.
Frankly, I don’t think I can ever again be the basketball fan I was at age 10, and spend about all my spare/hobby time on UK football. This transition was fueled in part by having “cousins by the dozens” in Tennessee, Bama and Florida. Guess which sport they all want to talk about at family gatherings!!
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If his point is, it’s going to be hard to compete with Georgia and Texas without more money, then probably fair. If his point is we can’t get to .500 or a little better without more money, then respectfully GTFO.
We lost at home quite handily, to Vandy and USCe teams that trail us in NIL.
We ain’t going .500 very often with losses to Vandy and USCe.
Money is not why we are bad . Auburn has all the money in the world and they suck. We aren’t good cause the players we’ve spent big on since wandale have sucked. Leary and Brock were paid top dollar. Leary was average and Brock has been bad. We paid for 2 tackles and they both suck. I could keep going but evaluation and coaching are our biggest issues. If either of the QBs were good this wouldn’t be a topic.
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