Stoops is spiraling now...

[Roe07]

Pony up and buy better players so Mark Stoops can coach them to a 5-7 record.

 

[K_TIME]

Or maybe just develop Cutter Boley, Aba Selm, Malachi Wood, Colby Keenum, Gilmore, Anthony Brown-Stephens, Willie Rodriguez, Kamari Anderson, Jarmion Wilcox and quit bitching about resources.

I get NIL is an uphill climb....but we have good talent on roster....coach it up like you used to.

 

[The-Hack]

I get NIL is an uphill climb....but we have good talent on roster....coach it up like you used to.

All those names had as high (or higher) recruiting profiles than dozens of players recruited and developed between 2015 and 2020. But they are on a team with about 30 players who were Top 300 recruits, unlike the teams we had from 2015-20.

Either there have been multiple recruiting misses, poor development, or a combination of the two.

Our supposed woes regarding NIL did not lead to an FCS-like beat down at home by South Carolina, as their NIL trails our own.

 

[23jumpboy]

So...explain to me losing to Vandy 2 of last 3 meetings?
explain to me 3 straight to USC?


How did guys like Bunchy, Stenberg, Fortner, etc...even role players like Nassir Watkins, Eli Cox (early years) Horsey,e tc... become such a solid Oline now we literally can't recruit and develop a single oline that is solid anymore?

Finally, Brock got reportedly 2M to get to UK...why is flailing so badly?

This can't be as simple as buy the entire roster and you win...if that is the case...why even try wtih Texas, Tennessee, LSU, Bama, Auburn, etc...in our conferenc3e.

2 mil???? 🤬🤬🤬

 

[UKWildcats1987]

2 mil???? 🤬🤬🤬

We overspent a bit lol. Maybe worth 20k. Maybe.

 

[Soupbean]

Look heres the bottom line. Nobody doubts that better players make everything easier, but we have consistently recruited at a top 25-30 level and from what I can anybody esle can see is we have enough real talent on this team on both sides to compete at that level too. And that includes depth at most positions. We dont have UGA or Ohio St talent but we have top 25 talent as far as physically gifted players and thats just a fact anybody with eyes can tell. Do we have weak points yes and the Oline is sure one of them but even there there are some highly recruited players that are physically gifted that just arent performing at the levels they should. But overall we have more physical talent and recruiting ranked talent on this roster than we may have ever had in our history.

So here is what I'd say to the Coash and any others that default to all of our problems are purely an NIL thing and we'll never be able to compete until we fix that . . . bull crap! Get better and what you do first. Be better developers, be better strategist, be better teacher, disciplinarians and motivators and be better game managers. That's where we're falling behind IMO. If not why are USC, Indiana, Missouri, Tulane, Boise St, SMU, BYU and others getting it done.

 

[entropy13]

He should use his 9 mil salary. Put it good use

Rules don't allow that, but he actually said that same idea in an interview this past offseason.

 

[doc4UK]

Donate a couple of million of your overpaid salary

 

[screwduke1]

Has Stoops thought about maybe becoming a good coach? That might help. This is the most talented team on paper he has had at UK and it probably won't be a bowl team.

What's "ponying up" gonna fix when the head man in charge can't coach to save his life?

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

This has been a very weird and disappointing season. To go from winning at Ole Miss on the road to all the losses at home, somehow I think there is more to the story. There has to be more going on internally team wise, though I've not read anything indicating internal problems, than just coaching flaws.

And the whole probation thing was weird. I don’t entirely buy they didn’t know what was going on.

 

[chevyman 50]

Stoops is good against non conference teams but a total failure against SEC schools the guy needs to be gone.

 

[BlueRaider22]

Basketball managed to find funding that wouldn't have otherwise been there if a coaching change didn't occur. When the taste in donors mouth's is sour, they tend to be complacent in their giving. When fresh air is breathed into the program, they tend to be more giving. The crafts were backing off helping Cal, they were done with him. When Pope was hired they got back onboard in a huge way. The best we can hope for is that Stoops leaves in similar fashion as Cal.

I agree. I am in favor of a Cal type departure by Stoops.....where the separation is fairly amicable and all parties can get a fresh start. My point was that Stoops is trying to fight for whatever he can get. It's not eloquently put, but I'd rather see someone fight to the end rather than just give up.

 

[Irish Beck]

No amount of money in the world is going to make a Mark Stoops team/program :

1.) Commit fewer dumb penalties
2.) Execute in the middle 8 (and especially the last two of the first half)
3.) Develop a QB that has been in our program for more than 2 years
4.) Maintain an OC and a general offensive philosophy
5.) Establish a good locker room culture (we had this when Schlarman was coaching)
6.) Be efficient in our special teams game
7.) Not play down to the level of competition
8.) Win consistently against teams of similar strength and show up for big games (especially UT)
9.) Instill actual discipline and develop leaders within the team (we had this when Schlarman/Sumrall were here)

So I suppose the situation is more like Cal than I realized. Mark had it all when he had the best players (Allen/Terry/Benny, etc.) and some of his best coaches (Sumrall, Schlarman and 1st go round Wolford). But now that all of that is gone, it's suddenly a money issue when we have gotten big name transfers, doled out millions for a sub par QB and kept our big name guys from the funds we were able to raise.

If anyone should pony up, it's the guy making 9 million a year for a 1 million a year level product.

 

[Bluesbrother]

I think he's trying to save what he can. It's not very eloquently put, but I understand. If they don't find funding, there'll be a exodus of players and things will worsen.

IMO, giving more money to bad coaches fixes nothing. It's coaching first. For Stoops, lack of NIL is a useful tool to deflect from the obvious problem within this program which is poor coaching and mismanagement. After 12 years of 1 step forward and two steps back, the writing is on the wall. This program is going nowhere under Stoops.

 

[TOMCATS1990]

We have not had an exodus of players of any quality.

We have brought in All-Conference type players from G5 and FBS.

Our Transfer QB is a former 5 Star, from UGA.

We brought in collegiate AA linebacker from UGA.

With just over a month until the 1st NSD, we are ranked 19th, with 8 four Star commitments.

Our recruiting by every objective measure is better than that which led to our Citrus Bowl victories. We have far more 4 Star/Top 300 type players on defense than can see the field at the same time.

Stoops has raised money.

And that money has helped increase our recruiting profile.

Simply put, the wins have not followed in a linear fashion.

His teams are more often then not unprepared and undisciplined and the offense barely knows what a forward pass is.

 

[3632]

It's like Calipari put on a fat suit, a skin wig, and started coaching football.

The more Stoops talks the more they sound alike. If Stoops needs the cream of the talent pool in order to win then he needs to gtfo out of Kentucky right now because this state is to poor to finance his piss poor coaching ability. That's how it really is.

Yeah every day that goes by the situations appear more and more identical. There are many things to discuss what isn’t being done well etc. but really if you want to boil it down to the main thing it’s that he’s proven incapable of putting offenses on the field. Basically in any environment of college athletics. His lone functional offense came from using the portal and nil but he complains about it non stop.

 

[3632]

All those names had as high (or higher) recruiting profiles than dozens of players recruited and developed between 2015 and 2020. But they are on a team with about 30 players who were Top 300 recruits, unlike the teams we had from 2015-20.

Either there have been multiple recruiting misses, poor development, or a combination of the two.

Our supposed woes regarding NIL did not lead to an FCS-like beat down at home by South Carolina, as their NIL trails our own.

And SC is a relatively young team and didn’t come into the season with any qb they were going to be able to lean on.

 

[The-Hack]

His teams are more often then not unprepared and undisciplined and the offense barely knows what a forward pass is.

That is my (repeated) point!

We can’t blame lack of wins on lack of raw talent if recruit rankings mean anything.

We have recruited talent that should win 7 to 10 games a year.