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Still Think Cal Is A Great Coach?
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When you are right 82.4% of the time you are prone to stick with what got you to that point. Who does it better, especially in the OAD era we now live? People tend to forget that most of the coaches UK faces are no slouches, not as good as Cal, and are paid big money to win, not bow at the altar of BBN. We are not entitled to win and have been fortunate over the last 7 years to see some amazing basketball. True, there have been some disappointments but what endeavor is lacking in those?
Its almost as if he thinks Cal lost those games by throwing them and didn't even try.
Also correct me if I'm wrong but does being a 5 star recruit equate to on the court production in college? Or am I missing where Lee , Poythress, and Skal are tearing up the college world? He acts as if you reach five 5 star players and its a willy wonka golden ticket to the title game.
from what you just posted, I don't think your IQ could drop a whole point, have a nice day
Yeah, we were going to Final Fours and championship games with Tubby Smith and Billy G on a yearly basis. No, no we weren't. Without Cal, we're no longer the winningest team in college basketball. That would be Kansas.
Oh there you go again... with that quick wit and originality ! I mean obviously my IQ couldn't go down a whole point... thats not how it works. I mean your posts make me feel like I'm having a stroke but I'm not really having a stroke.
Not being a smartass but I don't think you have a clue about coaching. You're butt hurt over our losses, so grow up. Has Cal really have an opportunity to coach a team since he's been here? He's had to babysit and watch a lot of them go through baby steps to finally reach a plateau where they perform at a higher level. He's had to depend on freshmen leadership which is inconsistent at best. Has he allowed some young players to make decisions that ended up hurting us, yes but they also won big games with their decisions. Even Coach K is finding out how hard it is to coach up these OAD players without having that elite 4 year senior talent to lead a team. It's a shame that he doesn't get to coach a full team of great athletes over a 4 year period but the situation with the NBA doesn't allow it to happen. In the end I'll take Cal's stubbornness over your lack of knowledge in coaching.
You're so into yourself, i take it that the kids at your school must have bullied you and now you're striking back like a little baby. Start your own site, you think you are a legend in your own silly uneducated mind anyways.
You were obviously drinking while posting. You started your post by declaring Barnes doesn't inspire players to play above their talent level and yet you finished it by stating UT won because his team played above their heads. Even you should be able to figure out this one. WOW!! LOL
(I know I'm contributing to it now, but) Why do we have to resurrect this thread? Cal is a great coach. He's done it before with less than the best talent. He can do it again now. He can coach good talent to be great. Cal's preferred coaching method is to teach players how to make the best decision on the fly instead of calling every single play from the sideline. Don't like it? Tough. Does he call plays? Yes. Don't think he does it enough? Tough. There's not one single way to coach correctly. If you prefer another coaches style, so be it, but you are ignorant if you think Cal is a "C" level coach.
We were still KENTUCKY when we were recruiting the Dakota Eutons...
College basketball is about the coach nowadays, has been for awhile.
Why haven't these other great coaches had this talent?
Recruiting is a big part of coaching.
I guarantee you that Tyler Ulis would be a top draft pick with Alex's body...
So what? He can't and neither can any of these other fictions coaches you never name.
It's always the coach at a crappy school who is the best...
Used to be Cal at UMass when he was beating Pitino and our best team ever, and taking them to the FF or taking Memphis to the title game.
All of us arm chair coaches can complain about specific items:
Zone defense
Inbounds plays
Timeouts
Slowing the ball down
Etc
But to say he isn't a good coach is dumb.
Only a couple slow ones out there like @LmdCat and @Graves51 think KY makes the coach.
BCG proved u must have talent at the helm combined with UK's greatness to get consistent results.
The only problem with playing a zone is that Punter was killing us when left open. We lost because UT wanted it more. They became the aggressor and we didn't respond to their 10-0 run. Our front court is weak. I won't write this team off. Did that a couple years ago and Cal got em turned around and in the championship game. Cal is the best in the business. I'd take him over anyone. Don't want another coach. Just gonna watch and hope this team gets it soon.
wow, you really make no sense PLUS you are not funny or witty, if you don't think the program is bigger than Cal I would be happy to ignore you or not argue about it. Let me know.
Making a guess? I at least provided some substance. You've added nothing but insults, which makes you look foolish.
Be careful. LOL! Willis has a big fan club who haven't figured out what you have.
OK, what was the substance, maybe I misunderstood. I am just saying that nobody knows what happens IF. I firmly believe we would remain the winningest program either way.
Calipari doesn't like zone defenses because he is in the business of recruiting elite talent and then preparing them to become NBA 1st round draft choices. That means man to man. Although the NBA allows zones now, lottery picks must be good on ball defenders. There have been occasional times when Calipari was forced by his personnel to mix in some zone while at Kentucky. But Kentucky doesn't play zone very well, which is exactly what you would expect when the coach isn't committed to zones. At places like Syracuse, the coach is committed to teach zone so the zone is effective. It will never be that way at Kentucky while Calipari is our coach.
You could say that about several of our starters but why would you.
How about the two coaches I provided that came before him? Tubby Smith reached one Final Four in the 9 seasons he was here. Billy G did nothing. That's two coaches who did almost nothing for 8 years. Both North Carolina and Kansas were at our heels to taking over and becoming the all-time wins leader. You're very naive if you think the current UK program would be where it's at these last 7 seasons without John Calipari. He is up there with Rupp as far as success and winning goes. Please list the names of coaches who would have came in and did better. The fact that @CUT-NETS liked your post tells me you're anything but intelligent when it comes to the sport of basketball. Congrats!
Calipari doesn't like zone defense because man to man defense is a more effective strategy. Especially the manner in which Cal coaches man to man. There's a reason that so few teams utilize zone defense as their primary strategy and the pre-eminence of man to man over zone has been well established.
And the schools that do rely primarily on zone defense take advantage of the fact that they become so proficient at it, that they can exploit the fact that opponents have less experience attacking a zone. In other words, they rely on becoming excellent at a novelty.
For a zone to become a weapon like that, though, requires that you specialize and focus on it with the same fanaticism with which Cal focuses on man to man. You can't simply switch mid-stream and expect it to work well. It just doesn't work that way.
This team, as is true of almost all teams, has a much higher ceiling playing man to man. The wisest approach is to continue coaching the team so that they can execute it well. It's not an issue of physical ability, it's a mental issue (focus, desire, understanding, etc.). Switching to a zone won't fix that.
In this situation, a smart coach doesn't abandon the plan, they keep practicing it until they finally get it right. And if the guys simply don't want to play at that level, that's something no coach can fix.
Why start a thread like this? Seriously, what is it for? It just shows what an ignorant point of view you have. You and CUT NETS need to start your own website. It's exhausting listening you 2 guys bitch and moan constantly and think you know more than a HOF coach. It's actually just ignorance but whatever. You bring nothing to this site but whining and crying. Go away.
Did you see where Zaytovencat had said in another thread Fox and Monk were going to be the best backcourt in the past 15 years. The guy is just setting Cal up to fail , especially in his own mind.
At places like Syracuse, how many championships have they won playing zone?
If you can't guard your man, you lose in March. And very, very rarely get to play in April.
Cal has got to go this FL game was a disaster and you know it was his fault that POY was hurt and everything else bad that happened. We were lucky to win but won't get lucky like that down the stretch with such an average coach
We need to listen to the armchair coaches more if we gonna get any better They have some good ideas for the HOF coach
All of you that think Cal is not an ELITE coach, are idiots plain and simple. The man was a first ballot hall of famer for a damn reason. He has went to 4 final fours in the past 5 years, with a championship, for a reason. He took umass and memphis to a final four and a title game for a reason. Jesus christ you keyboard coaches make our fanbase look ridiculous.
You are still guessing, I am intelligent, as a matter of fact I am too intelligent to stoop to your level. IF, IF, IF, Nobody knows what would have happened IF. Where else did Cal get as many 5-stars as he has at Kentucky? Kentucky is the reason for the season. (basketball) Intelligent? LMAO
Just want to check in on this thread again and say that I still think Cal is a great coach, and those questioning him are out of their minds. That is all.
Um Cal was going to land a class of Henry, Wall and Cousins at Memphis then came to UK and brought Wall and Cousins with him. And yes , Wall and Cousins have both said they were going to play for Cal no matter where he was.
If 5 stars played for the university instead of the coach.... Indiana wouldnt of fallen to crap.
If 5 stars played for the university instead of the coach.... Indiana wouldnt of fallen to crap.
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Cal already had the longest winning streak (54 games) at Rupp_Arena. With the current 33-game win streak, he's also got the second longest.
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Cal already had the longest winning streak (54 games) at Rupp_Arena. With the current 33-game win streak, he's also got the second longest.
The greatest driving force behind Calipari's recruiting while at UK was the result of the 2010 draft. Most of the UK freshman in that class would've have played for Memphis had Calipari stayed there instead of coming to UK. So when you factor in Xavier Henry and the Memphis kid that was drafted, Cal would likely have still had 5 players drafted in the first round from Memphis. This likely would've set him up to have the same type of recruiting success there.
Point being, Cal recruits well primarily because of his ability and less because he happens to be at Kentucky.
You can't even provide substance. That shows you lack intelligence. I provided evidence that UK (by pointing out two different coaches) would not be where they are today without Cal, or at least made a valid argument. You can't even do that. When has UK landed the talent it has today before Cal? When did it land consecutive No. 1 classes like Calipari has done? Like I said, you're too stupid and naive to talk basketball. However, continue to make yourself look completely foolish. You're good at it.
Some of the Cal haters are trolls and rival fans.
But there is another segment made up of earnest cat fans who are emotionally equivalent to a 5 year old.
You know how sometimes you just get a random outburst of crying from a spoiled kid at Christmas? You ask them what's wrong, and it turns out that the hundreds of bucks of toys was worthless because one of the ones the kid was SURE they were getting did not turn up.
If your brain just can not wrap around the concept that there are
- other good teams who all want to win just as much
- other good, great, and elite coaches
- rosters that also have many five stars (just usually spread over 4 classes unlike us)
- mediocre teams that are still tough to beat at home
- mediocre teams who can get very hot from 3
- terrible odds against even an utterly dominant team in a six game single elimination tournament (even if you have an 80% chance to win each individual game including the final four and championship, your likelihood of winning the whole thing is only a paltry 26%)
.. If you can't understand all that, then when we sign 4 five stars in one class, that five year old excitable brain of yours will pee its pants, because you KNOW that it should be IMPOSSIBLE to lose because OH MY GOD FOUR FIVE STARS...
and then when Cal only wins at the same percentage as Rupp in a vastly more competitive era and only makes 4 of the last final fours... You can only conclude THAT HE SUCKS AND BY GOLLY EVERYONE IS GONNA HEAR ABOUT IT IN EVERY THREAD.
that's it. They are essentially children who are woefully miscalibrated due to their naivete.
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Great school attracts the great coach. Great school does not attract the great players. Great coach attracts the great players.
Our school's attraction to top recruits is indirect - we can pull great coaches from good programs, and they will bring in the recruits. No idea why people have trouble with that.
Although, our next guy may have a boost from Cal thanks to all the kids growing up watching an NBA starring cats everywhere.
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