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Any of the players that Pope had enough interest in to begin with and was able get the player to visit Lexington, but didn't get a commitment from the player, is only a MISS, not a WHIFF!!!

The wrong fit or the money grubbing NIL mercenaries who don't choose UK or UK doesn't choose them are not misses or whiffs, they are probably lucky breaks!!

A baseball player can WHIFF at every pitch in BP and in their first three at-bats in a game and then hit a grand slam in the bottom of the ninth to win the game. What's going to be the overiding memory of most everyone?? The GRAND SLAM!!! There will always be a few, poor curmugeonly ole souls who can never, ever leave their Whataboutville community!!

If come December/ January and UK/ Pope are playing terrible and players who chose to go elsewhere are setting the world on fire, then we can start talking about WHIFFS!!!!

It's only the end result that matters in determining whether something is a success or a failure!!

After the Canada trip, most everyone (UK fans) thought 2023/24 would be a successful season, but it wasn't!!!! The whole team and coaches lost to Oakland in the NCAA and are ALL somewhere else now, it's time move on and get on board!!

No one knows what the future success will be of any recruited college/ high school player/ program, especially five months before the season begins, it's just preseason fodder!!

Recruiting players now with how the NIL is and how it will continue to affect college sports is a complete unknown. But the more money a program can lay down in front of a recruit, the better chance the marginal NBA player will choose them.

HYPOTHETICALLY: A Billionaire could pass away and bequeath all of their money to a marginal P5 program for upgrades to top facilities, hire the best coaching staff and for NIL to absorbently overpay for anyone they wanted. That scenario would be hard to compete with for the vast majority of basketball programs!!

Go Big Blue
 
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UK brings me no misery, but if you can't handle the reality that we've struck out on every top 20 portal transfer, maybe you should stay away from the conversation instead of acting like there's only one discussion to be had.

I support Pope, but he hasn't brought in an elite portal guy yet. Was he dealt a bad hand? Yes. Will he get better? Yes.

Is it okay to point out all of that without being sanctioned as a guy who's "bashing" him? Only if the reader on the side of the post has a broad perspective.
My hope with all of this is that one of these kids that is already on board can blow up the way Robinson did in his one year under Coach Pope. I really believe we have a few kids with that kind of potential. Who knew that Robinson was going to be considered such a “must have” player before he played for Pope?

With the staff Coach Pope has assembled I have NO doubt we can bring in the kind of roster that can succeed at the highest level. But this upcoming season was ALWAYS going to be difficult getting everyone who they wanted.
 
I still believe a lot of that was Nike and various forms of cheating, tampering, etc.

Cal was basically playing a near-perfect game of getting recruits to the NBA, almost no matter what they did at UK. It was almost automatic. You mean to tell me that when Coach K got jealous of this success, he was able to just "convince" players he could do the same, despite having never proven it otherwise? Please.

Funny thing is.. just look at how man whifs Duke had with elite recruits and NBA success. It's literally Jason Tatum and... and.... some middling guys like the Jones twins, Brandon Ingram, Zion's fat ass. Here's a name that you already forgot about: Vernon Carey. Coach K seems to have found the guys who wanted the easiest path, the path of least resistance. And it's alarming how many of them weren't able to make it once they got to the "real world" aka the NBA.
Yeah, Kennards recruitment battle between UK, Duke was not expected in this area.
The whole Kennard family from Grandparents on down were supposedly huge UK fans.
UK basketball, Ohio St. football, Bengals and the Reds are tops in this area. Luke was a relative quiet kid, great student and very humble and I believe he wanted that lower pressure college experience that Duke may have provided versus the 24/7, 100-mph, NBA pipeline businees that UK basketball was at the time.
 
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Great point. Kyrie Irving and Paolo Banchero are definitely considered "middling" talent.

Kyrie was smart and fixed his image, which as of a year ago, was in the absolute pits of the NBA, with the likes of Harden and Simmons. If this didnt work with the Mavs, that was likely it for him

But yes hes still a tremendous talent talent and Banchero is heading that way as well.

Now who else? Giles? Parker? Duval? Wendell Carter? Carey? Okafor? Hurt? Anyone not named Jalen Johnson from 2017 to 2022 lmfao?
 
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Robinson said he talks to Pope a lot so hopefully he told him his plans so he can move on if he stayed in the draft.
 
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Robinson said he talks to Pope a lot so hopefully he told him his plans so he can move on if he stayed in the draft.
This is a good point. It’s strange how the Robinson thing has played out. But we really aren’t hearing about UK reaching out to anyone else either. You’d think Poplar and now Watkins contact would be mentioned more. It seemed like it was always mentioned when we would contact anyone. I’m sure Pope knows what the Robinson decision is. It’s just odd how it’s played out.
 
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Seem to be a few that were expecting Pope to roll in, get a bunch of guns to win it all this upcoming season.

That very, very seldom happens.
It's fine to dream, but this is kind of the same as getting a bunch of NBA bound frosh and running the table. That seldom happens either.

This is about rebuilding a program and changing a culture. Three or four years from now the negatives are warranted if there is a UofL level meltdown that shows no sign of turning a corner.

This particular rebuild is one that fans that have been around 20+ years can relate to. Those fans from the Calipari years may struggle for a little to grab hold of, and that's understandable.

Give it a chance folks. Three or four years may seem like eternity, but it can be worth the wait.
No rational fan thought we were winning anything this upcoming season, let alone the national title. Especially now, look at all the dudes returning to the SEC..it's going to be a rough season.
 
Having as much NIL money as anyone doesn't mean we abandon principles for guys asking way over their value.

Not but the comparison in my quotes post was that we were losing out to more nil. That just isn't the case because we're on even ground.
 
If you are trying to build a winner, you need winners, which is why I would love to add Poplar. He was a starter on a Final Four team in ‘23. So he has four NCAA tourney wins on his resume. I would take Robinson because he played for Pope, but Poplar is a proven winner and I think that’s an overlooked stat.
To be honest, I’m not sure being on past teams that won tournament games is a very meaningful metric. I would still take Poplar because I think we need another wing scorer and he may be the best left available after the dust clears on who stayed in the draft, but the “proven winner” stuff is mostly just decided on after the fact to try to make sports fit into a narrative structure. Poplar and 2-3 other key contributors from that Final Four team came back to Miami last year, went 15-17 in a down year for the ACC, and didn’t even make the NIT. On the other hand, UConn’s core roster hadn’t won anything before the 2023 tournament.
 
He hasn’t coached one game here yet, let alone been allowed time to build his roster without having to scramble to do it, before you are bashing him already? Why do you follow UK if it brings you this much misery?

All of the guys I am talking about visited. Or were heavily pursued via zoom. Cope.
You seemed to be the one that is not coping.
 
No rational fan thought we were winning anything this upcoming season, let alone the national title. Especially now, look at all the dudes returning to the SEC..it's going to be a rough season.
Yeah, Oats is gonna kick everyone's ass I'm afraid. And not just in the SEC.

We missed the boat there, and it's not entirely our fault. His personal issues have kept him at Bama for the time being.
 
No rational fan thought we were winning anything this upcoming season, let alone the national title. Especially now, look at all the dudes returning to the SEC..it's going to be a rough season.
After the Oakland loss, I told myself UK wasn’t winning anything of worth for a couple years. We were either stuck with Cal’s outdated philosophy, or we were going have a full rebuild.

All things considered, I think Pope has done decent in his first ~50 days on the job; but anyone expecting UK to cut any nets down next season is setting themselves up.
 
Seem to be a few that were expecting Pope to roll in, get a bunch of guns to win it all this upcoming season.

That very, very seldom happens.
It's fine to dream, but this is kind of the same as getting a bunch of NBA bound frosh and running the table. That seldom happens either.

This is about rebuilding a program and changing a culture. Three or four years from now the negatives are warranted if there is a UofL level meltdown that shows no sign of turning a corner.

This particular rebuild is one that fans that have been around 20+ years can relate to. Those fans from the Calipari years may struggle for a little to grab hold of, and that's understandable.

Give it a chance folks. Three or four years may seem like eternity, but it can be worth the wait.
Cal won 35 games in his first year here.
Tubby won a title in year #1.
Pitino took Kentucky from probation to #1 in the nation in two years.

It seldom happens elsewhere, but it's happened at Kentucky before.
 
Seem to be a few that were expecting Pope to roll in, get a bunch of guns to win it all this upcoming season.

That very, very seldom happens.
It's fine to dream, but this is kind of the same as getting a bunch of NBA bound frosh and running the table. That seldom happens either.

This is about rebuilding a program and changing a culture. Three or four years from now the negatives are warranted if there is a UofL level meltdown that shows no sign of turning a corner.

This particular rebuild is one that fans that have been around 20+ years can relate to. Those fans from the Calipari years may struggle for a little to grab hold of, and that's understandable.

Give it a chance folks. Three or four years may seem like eternity, but it can be worth the wait.
Waiting 3 or 4 years is insane! I know Pope played here, is a really nice guy, says all of the right things and gets fans pumped, but to give him that long of a leash is mind blowing.
 
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UK brings me no misery, but if you can't handle the reality that we've struck out on every top 20 portal transfer, maybe you should stay away from the conversation instead of acting like there's only one discussion to be had.

I support Pope, but he hasn't brought in an elite portal guy yet. Was he dealt a bad hand? Yes. Will he get better? Yes.

Is it okay to point out all of that without being sanctioned as a guy who's "bashing" him? Only if the reader on the side of the post has a broad perspective.
your post count in recent weeks, and the content of your posts say otherwise. You seem miserable.

And this is coming from someone that has enjoyed your posts in the past.

At this point in time, you need to take a couple of strong gummies.
 
I bet (if) Jaxson Robinson withdrew from the draft his public statement will be where he commits for next season.
Agree, if he did that and committed to Kansas I would fully admit that a bad look for pope. If it’s byu it’s not great but it isn’t terrible and lastly I hope it’s Kentucky
 
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I suspect this probably wasn't the intention of the OP, but this post reeks of an eagerness to undermine UK and Pope IMO. It implies we struck out on big targets and that Pope is in over his head while giving off a mocking vibe. I don't think either of the implications made can be known at this point, but we are all free to say what we want. The thing that I think is unfair is the mocking tone.

Pope gets an A in my gradebook for what he's done since accepting the job. "The Hype" is indeed real from where I'm sitting. Maybe I'm wrong (it's happened before). Anyway, I can't wait to see what he puts on the floor this year and what he can do with the 2025 HS and Portal class.

My thoughts on UK's recruiting since Pope took over:

I think we as fans get a vastly incomplete picture of the recruiting game. We don't know who was on Pope's big board. Maybe we don't even know who our biggest misses were because there was nothing public about them declining our interest. Maybe Roach was our biggest miss? Maybe Deivon Smith was and the transfer problem was a smoke screen. We just don't know. Every team has misses and I don't think we've had significantly more misses than any other big-name school. But the roster we have right now is going to be a competitive one - and even more if we can get one last piece for the rotation.

The only surefire "miss" on this list is Lanier. I think it was pretty clear we were after him as a key scoring weapon and he was interested enough to visit. He spurned us for his hometown school, so no shame in that - it happens.

I know there was a lot of smoke that we were seriously interested in Davis, but I don't recall seeing anything from Davis's camp about which schools he was considering. This recruitment was shrouded in darkness from the get-go. Maybe we didn't seriously pursue him but should have? Maybe we did pursue him, and he waved off our advances. We ended up with Butler, Oweh, Kriisa, and Brea, which is very good. And we may add Poplar or Robinson still, which would take us to the next level.

Mahaney did make it to campus, but we don't know who the staff preferred between he and Brea or Kriisa. These three are all comparable at least and I would rank them Brea, Kriisa, Mahaney. I think with Brea/Kriisa we are better off so I'm not upset on that one. The fact that the staff flew out to lock down Lamont Butler right as Mahaney was starting his visit kind of suggests he wasn't super high on their list.

Osobor disqualified himself with his asking price and I'm not mad about accepting Garrison's commit in lieu of overpaying for Osobor. I'm confident that our frontline of Williams, Garrison and Carr can go toe-to-toe with most frontcourts out there and I wouldn't be afraid if they had to go against Osobor at some point.

And as for Robinson, if he chose NBA, that can't be tallied as a miss. If a kid is done with college, there is nothing you can do. If Robinson comes back to college and stays at BYU, that would be a miss. The real miss is if he were to stay in college and go somewhere other than BYU or UK.
 
your post count in recent weeks, and the content of your posts say otherwise. You seem miserable.

And this is coming from someone that has enjoyed your posts in the past.

At this point in time, you need to take a couple of strong gummies.
there have been several people who I generally agree with that have gone off the deep end recently. This thread in particular is thick with nonsense.
 
your post count in recent weeks, and the content of your posts say otherwise. You seem miserable.

And this is coming from someone that has enjoyed your posts in the past.

At this point in time, you need to take a couple of strong gummies.
I seem miserable because I like our team but also think we could add one more guy? Obviously you haven't been paying enough attention.

So what, specifically, about my content says otherwise?

Don't put someone on blast unless you're willing to step up to the mic and defend your position.

Let's hear it.
 
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The crew that wanted Oats so bad sure is making it known and without even giving Pope a fair chance. Their need to say "I was right about Oats" consumes them. Pathetic. Same Oats that got run out of Lexington by a guy they said can't coach last year. You just can't make this hypocrisy up.

Oh well, they can cry and whine about Oats while the rest of us kick back and enjoy the Pope era, both the ups and the downs.
 
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I think giving Pope the benefit-of-the-doubt is fair, but the neverending excuses some are giving him is ridiculous. All I'm saying is that we should all hold him to the same accountability as every other coach that has came here.
I'd say that's fair to hold Pope to the same standards as any other UK coach. I think what some are saying is wait until they start keeping score in games to do so. I think that's fair.
 
Like I said before I'm happy to get Robinson, but he's got to improve his consistency and get better efficiently and hopefully the other guys around him helps that.

Hope people who were doom and gloom in this thread have gotten over it now with Robinson committing.
 
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