Simple solution to our problems on offense.

[cathouse]

Put Leary in the shotgun where he has played his entire career, and go to two minute offense.

You would see an immediate turn around in the offense.

Chicken crap coaching will never allow it to happen....oh well.

 

[Creed Bratton]

I am more concerned about our problems on defense since we have given up 89 points over the last 2 games. I am also worried about the last 5 of the first half and first 5 of the second half where we have been outscored 26-6 over the last 2 games.

 

[K_TIME]

Put Leary in the shotgun where he has played his entire career, and go to two minute offense.

You would see an immediate turn around in the offense.

Chicken shit coaching will never allow it to happen....oh well.

Dude....this ain't Madden video game.

1. When we've been in shotgun passing the ball with no fake to Ray Davis running game.....this is where things go haywire.
2. WHen we're under center running the ball to our best player "RAY DAVIS"....we are competitive. When we play action to Ray.....sometimes things go well...sometimes it still goes bad.

But when Leary is shotgun and just throwing it around...he'll hit some. But he'll miss quite a bit, we drop quite a bit and our Oline can struggle to protect.

 

[gamecockcat]

K: I agree. We need more PA, more quick passes off of PA and concentrate on taking what the defense is giving. Every defensive scheme has its strengths and weaknesses. We are not doing a consistently good job, imo, of exploiting the inherent weaknesses in every opponent's defense. If they play man, scheme to get our best players in space one on one with their weakest cover guy. If it's zone-based, there will be areas that are not as well covered (see: UK's defense) and we should have receivers in those areas every single play. Take the 4-7 yard completion all night long like so many of our opponents do. Quit forcing long balls unless that is where a weakness lies. Dump to backs/TEs if those areas tend to be open. Learn how to read/react to blitz. Too many times the play called is too slow and Leary is in trouble quickly. Has to be quick/hot routes and both WRs and QB have to read it and break off their routes. Again, a 3 yard gain is >>> 9 yard loss - pretty simple, yes?

Seems at times like we're being overly complicated for no reason. Simplify and execute. Things will look a whole lot better if we just do those two things.

 

[R.O.T.Muckinfush]

Agreed. This is the style he is the most comfortable in. You can't fit a square peg in a round hole.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Put Leary in the shotgun where he has played his entire career, and go to two minute offense.

You would see an immediate turn around in the offense.

Chicken shit coaching will never allow it to happen....oh well.

I agree that would help the QB, but how does that cut down on the drops?

 

[dallasg23]

Until dudes learn to catch the ball again nothing will change. You can sling it 100 times a game but if you drop 50 of them it won’t matter. The real problem Saturday was the penalizes.

 

[cathouse]

I agree that would help the QB, but how does that cut down on the drops?

Just getting the offense in a rhythm will help passing and catching.....also minimize blocking issues for the OL.

I view that as a win, win, win based on the problems with this offense that we experience regardless of the competition level.

Time to adjust. Bye week. Last chance for the season to get this right.

 

[cathouse]

I am more concerned about our problems on defense since we have given up 89 points over the last 2 games. I am also worried about the last 5 of the first half and first 5 of the second half where we have been outscored 26-6 over the last 2 games.

Do you think the defense would pick it back up if they had any hope that the offense could actually score a few points??

We are experiencing an all systems failure, offense, defense, special teams, and coaching.

CMS can't keep doing the same thing and expect a different outcome.

Time for a serious change in the offense......again. At least TRY something different, even if it is just for a half.

How shocked would TN be if a Stoops coached team actually came out and ATTACKED them on offense AND defense instead of playing safe, ultra conservative fb on both sides of the ball until the game is out of reach.......in the first quarter???

 

[cathouse]

Dude....this ain't Madden video game.

1. When we've been in shotgun passing the ball with no fake to Ray Davis running game.....this is where things go haywire.
2. WHen we're under center running the ball to our best player "RAY DAVIS"....we are competitive. When we play action to Ray.....sometimes things go well...sometimes it still goes bad.

But when Leary is shotgun and just throwing it around...he'll hit some. But he'll miss quite a bit, we drop quite a bit and our Oline can struggle to protect.

Wow. It is obvious you have no understanding of the run game in a spread offense......

When Leary is in shotgun right now, it is in 2nd or mostly 3rd and long because of two failed plays on 1st. And 2nd down and everyone in the building knows IT IS GOING TO BE A PASS PLAY!!

If run and pass plays come from shotgun formation, it at least helps keep the defense honest, especially if you put the TE in pass eligible position.

P.S. I have never played Madden so don't have a clue what you are talking about........dude.

Go back to your XBox and tell us what will work.

What we are doing now does not work against SEC level defenses and I don't need a Madden game to tell me that.

 

[cathouse]

Until dudes learn to catch the ball again nothing will change. You can sling it 100 times a game but if you drop 50 of them it won’t matter. The real problem Saturday was the penalizes.

That is due to a total lack of discipline and holding players accountable by the coaching staff.

I said it last year and I will say it again. Somebody has to be the adult in the room. This bros before hoes buddy system is the root of a lot of these discipline problems, imo.

When is the last time you saw ANY UK coach get in a players grill on the sideline after getting a stupid penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct???

 

[K_TIME]

Wow. It is obvious you have no understanding of the run game in a spread offense......

When Leary is in shotgun right now, it is in 2nd or mostly 3rd and long because of two failed plays on 1st. And 2nd down and everyone in the building knows IT IS GOING TO BE A PASS PLAY!!

If run and pass plays come from shotgun formation, it at least helps keep the defense honest, especially if you put the TE in pass eligible position.

P.S. I have never played Madden so don't have a clue what you are talking about........dude.

Go back to your XBox and tell us what will work.

What we are doing now does not work against SEC level defenses and I don't need a Madden game to tell me that.

1. UK ran the ball down Florida's thoat. UK had a solid (not great) run game in 1st half vs. UGA. Then we got down so much and had to abandon it. UK throttled Mizzou just like Florida running Ray Davis in 1st half (13 carries for 96 yards). Ray Davis is leading SEC rusher and 6th in NCAA. Our running game is clearly working vs. SEC defense. Ray Davis is our best player by tons....ride that horse.
2. Mizzou added an extra dude in box and slowed down Ray....but dang...he finished 20 carries for 120 yards.

It is clear Leary is TO prone...and his deep balls are not accurate at all. Sure you can run from shotgun spread formation....but it's not nearly as diverse as getting him running down hill in our under center and shotgun run formations......but if you advise just sticking Leary in pocket....our oline isn't as good pass blocking, Leary isn't overly mobile and this style will take more balls out of Ray's hands and why you'd wnat more to Barion, Dingle, Stephens-Brown is beyond logic. (Tayvion is fine and Key feels like he's catching all his balls last 2 games). Make no sense.

To me the logical approach is to run the ball and play action passing.....but those play action shots needs to be 15 yard and under routes.....Leary clearly has no accuracy on deep shots. He's basically missed all but 1 deep ball (Tayvior EKU game before half). So why would I imagine he'd start hitting more deep balls vs. SEC DBs.

 

[cathouse]

1. UK ran the ball down Florida's thoat. UK had a solid (not great) run game in 1st half vs. UGA. Then we got down so much and had to abandon it. UK throttled Mizzou just like Florida running Ray Davis in 1st half (13 carries for 96 yards). Ray Davis is leading SEC rusher and 6th in NCAA. Our running game is clearly working vs. SEC defense. Ray Davis is our best player by tons....ride that horse.
2. Mizzou added an extra dude in box and slowed down Ray....but dang...he finished 20 carries for 120 yards.

It is clear Leary is TO prone...and his deep balls are not accurate at all. Sure you can run from shotgun spread formation....but it's not nearly as diverse as getting him running down hill in our under center and shotgun run formations......but if you advise just sticking Leary in pocket....our oline isn't as good pass blocking, Leary isn't overly mobile and this style will take more balls out of Ray's hands and why you'd wnat more to Barion, Dingle, Stephens-Brown is beyond logic. (Tayvion is fine and Key feels like he's catching all his balls last 2 games). Make no sense.

To me the logical approach is to run the ball and play action passing.....but those play action shots needs to be 15 yard and under routes.....Leary clearly has no accuracy on deep shots. He's basically missed all but 1 deep ball (Tayvior EKU game before half). So why would I imagine he'd start hitting more deep balls vs. SEC DBs.

We will not win another game this season just running the ball. We have to get the passing game fixed.

How easy was it for MO to make a simple adjustment on defense and eliminated RD and the run game in the second half.

We have got to fix at least TRY to fix the pass game, even if you have to give up a few RD rush plays/yards.

I will say you think alot like CMS on how to fix the passing game.

Ray Davis and the run game is not the problem, QB, OL, WR, TE, involved in the passing game are a complete failure right now in the passing game.

Having good success in practice against a defense that doesn't pressure the QB and gives a 10-12 yd. cushion on pass plays doesn't fix the problem.

 

[Eccain01]

Leary hasn’t been great this year but he wasn’t the problem last night. He got zero help from his teammates. We’re prolly going to the portal a ton this off-season for the offense

 

[Rivals_Defender]

Put Leary in the shotgun where he has played his entire career, and go to two minute offense.

You would see an immediate turn around in the offense.

Chicken shit coaching will never allow it to happen....oh well.

Apply for Offensive Coordinator since you have it all figured out.

University of Kentucky Applicant Site | Home

ukjobs.uky.edu

 

[sluggercatfan]

I am more concerned about our problems on defense since we have given up 89 points over the last 2 games. I am also worried about the last 5 of the first half and first 5 of the second half where we have been outscored 26-6 over the last 2 games.

Defense won Nick Saban a ton of national championships, but apparently not any more.

The Alabama football coach said this week, ““I do think the days of playing great defense and winning are probably behind us in college football...go watch the last 4:44 of first half and watch the different philosophies. One is geared towards winning while the other is 4 corners fb at its best.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Feed ray Davis consistently. Pa without always being such a deep drop/shot. Get brown off the touch count and let Leary throw to the open guy. Flip flop key and brown making key #1 guy.

Imo the problem is we sold these guys on displaying NFL skills in our offense. We're focusing on only that instead of mixing in those opportunities with doing what works to win games

 

[K_TIME]

We will not win another game this season just running the ball. We have to get the passing game fixed.

How easy was it for MO to make a simple adjustment on defense and eliminated RD and the run game in the second half.

We have got to fix at least TRY to fix the pass game, even if you have to give up a few RD rush plays/yards.

I will say you think alot like CMS on how to fix the passing game.

Ray Davis and the run game is not the problem, QB, OL, WR, TE, involved in the passing game are a complete failure right now in the passing game.

Having good success in practice against a defense that doesn't pressure the QB and gives a 10-12 yd. cushion on pass plays doesn't fix the problem.

Ray had 13 carries for 96 yards in 1st half.
Ray had 7 carries for 32 yards in 2nd half....4.5 yards a carry.
Finished game 20 carries for 128 yards

Mizzou certainly slowed him down....but they never "eliminated" any running game.

I have no idea why you'd want to have less touches to Ray and put the ball more in Leary's arm and Barion, Stephenson-Brown, etc... hands. I can't wrap my mind around that concept.

Long term...we for sure have to have a decent passing offense and Stoops has a glaring issue here which is why Coen is getting $1.2M to fix it. But this year we are 5-2...UK can beat Tennessee, MSU is a mess w/o Leach, USCjr is having a worse season than us to date and Louisville just got whopped by a ho-hum Pitt team. I see no reason to pretend the rest of this season is like a sandlot football practice with throwing the ball around thru our worst part of the entire team when there is still a good season to be taken with the talent we have. I'd like to see Ray Davis blast some team and our physicality wins games.

WE can work on pass game with a new QB next season.

 

[bluecoon1]

Stick with play action and try using the middle of the field which we seldom do, also need so quick hitters like a slant when they’re pinning our ears back in obvious passing downs like Mizzou did the entire 2nd half. That said, I still don’t understand how we come out hot the first couple of series and then take the air out of the ball. These guys always play better with some tempo, makes no sense to me whatsoever.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Leary hasn’t been great this year but he wasn’t the problem last night. He got zero help from his teammates. We’re prolly going to the portal a ton this off-season for the offense

Probably going to need to since l look for us to lose a lot to portal. UNTIL our HC TRULY changes are we going to see a difference going forward!

 

[Eccain01]

Probably going to need to since l look for us to lose a lot to portal. UNTIL our HC TRULY changes are we going to see a difference going forward!

Oh I agree. Us being last in plays is insane. Nowhere good enough to play that way. And that philosophy as a whole has always been stupid to me

 

[sluggercatfan]

Ray had 13 carries for 96 yards in 1st half.
Ray had 7 carries for 32 yards in 2nd half....4.5 yards a carry.
Finished game 20 carries for 128 yards

Mizzou certainly slowed him down....but they never "eliminated" any running game.

I have no idea why you'd want to have less touches to Ray and put the ball more in Leary's arm and Barion, Stephenson-Brown, etc... hands. I can't wrap my mind around that concept.

Long term...we for sure have to have a decent passing offense and Stoops has a glaring issue here which is why Coen is getting $1.2M to fix it. But this year we are 5-2...UK can beat Tennessee, MSU is a mess w/o Leach, USCjr is having a worse season than us to date and Louisville just got whopped by a ho-hum Pitt team. I see no reason to pretend the rest of this season is like a sandlot football practice with throwing the ball around thru our worst part of the entire team when there is still a good season to be taken with the talent we have. I'd like to see Ray Davis blast some team and our physicality wins games.

WE can work on pass game with a new QB next season.

Never going to have a legit passing game as long as MS is HC or TRULY changes his philosophy of how important scoring is in today's college football .

 

[Creed Bratton]

Do you think the defense would pick it back up if they had any hope that the offense could actually score a few points??

Maybe so and I agree that aggressive teams and game plans will usually equal wins.

 

[cathouse]

Maybe so and I agree that aggressive teams and game plans will usually equal wins.

Even if you lose the game playing aggressively, at least you leave the field feeling like you gave it your best shot.

Playing not to lose is a loser mentality in my book.

 

[K_TIME]

Never going to have a legit passing game as long as MS is HC or TRULY changes his philosophy of how important scoring is in today's college football .

You very well may be right....but Ky is going to have to ride out Stoops and Mitch's stupid contract extension. But also, I'd argue Stoops will get and deserves to ride out if Coen can adapt the offense to better passing execution for a few years. If Coen falls short, I'd argue Stoops will be soon behind him. Selling yet another OC will fix it won't vibe with the fanbase.

 

[cathouse]

Apply for Offensive Coordinator since you have it all figured out.

University of Kentucky Applicant Site | Home

ukjobs.uky.edu

We have a top level OC.
Why would I apply for a job that isn't even available?

There seems to be some things you need to figure out.

 

[cathouse]

Ray had 13 carries for 96 yards in 1st half.
Ray had 7 carries for 32 yards in 2nd half....4.5 yards a carry.
Finished game 20 carries for 128 yards

Mizzou certainly slowed him down....but they never "eliminated" any running game.

I have no idea why you'd want to have less touches to Ray and put the ball more in Leary's arm and Barion, Stephenson-Brown, etc... hands. I can't wrap my mind around that concept.

Long term...we for sure have to have a decent passing offense and Stoops has a glaring issue here which is why Coen is getting $1.2M to fix it. But this year we are 5-2...UK can beat Tennessee, MSU is a mess w/o Leach, USCjr is having a worse season than us to date and Louisville just got whopped by a ho-hum Pitt team. I see no reason to pretend the rest of this season is like a sandlot football practice with throwing the ball around thru our worst part of the entire team when there is still a good season to be taken with the talent we have. I'd like to see Ray Davis blast some team and our physicality wins games.

WE can work on pass game with a new QB next season.

We were outscored 21-7 in the second half.

No reason to change anything. Carry on.

 

[satcheluk]

Put Leary in the shotgun where he has played his entire career, and go to two minute offense.

You would see an immediate turn around in the offense.

Chicken shit coaching will never allow it to happen....oh well.

Before I did that, I would teach the receivers how to catch, run crisper routes, get sepeartation, sit in zone soft spots rather than streaking through them like playing against man and lowering the ADOT by (over)throwing fewer 20yd+ attempts to Brown on first down, thus putting us behind the chains and forcing us to pass on obvious passing downs.

 

[cathouse]

Before I did that, I would teach the receivers how to catch, run crisper routes, get sepeartation, sit in zone soft spots rather than streaking through them like playing against man and lowering the ADOT by (over)throwing fewer 20yd+ attempts to Brown on first down, thus putting us behind the chains and forcing us to pass on obvious passing downs.

But, my point is, you WOULD CHANGE SOMETHING with the offense in an effort to fix the problem, right???

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Just getting the offense in a rhythm will help passing and catching.....also minimize blocking issues for the OL.

I view that as a win, win, win based on the problems with this offense that we experience regardless of the competition level.

Time to adjust. Bye week. Last chance for the season to get this right.

i disagree on the drop issue, that's lack of concentration. Now it might tire the DL down and make them easier to block

 

[K_TIME]

We were outscored 21-7 in the second half.

No reason to change anything. Carry on.

Think about what you're saying....

We ran less in 2nd half and scored less....we ran more in 1st half and scored more.

The idea of throwing it around more....just has no sense in it. Dane, to me, has upped his play from early season. And Tayvion has been just fine all year. But the rest of QB, TE and WR room have not improved and I don't see why I'd put more on them to lead the offense.

- Brown-Stephens looks sort of not ready for this yet.
- Barion makes one bad play after another.
- Dingle has been shaky in all aspects of the TE play
- Leary has been staring down blitzes and not getting the ball out for un-accounted edge rushers. Leary accuracy on balls has been shaky. I thought he played poorly in 2nd half.
- Oline....they are not the best group but improved. But Eli Cox had a rough night pass blocking. Flaxie...not had some edge pressures. This Oline seems to be way better run blocking...so let's help them out if we can.

 

[sluggercatfan]

We were outscored 21-7 in the second half.

No reason to change anything. Carry on.

38-7 over last 3qtrs

 

[cathouse]

Think about what you're saying....

We ran less in 2nd half and scored less....we ran more in 1st half and scored more.

The idea of throwing it around more....just has no sense in it. Dane, to me, has upped his play from early season. And Tayvion has been just fine all year. But the rest of QB, TE and WR room have not improved and I don't see why I'd put more on them to lead the offense.

- Brown-Stephens looks sort of not ready for this yet.
- Barion makes one bad play after another.
- Dingle has been shaky in all aspects of the TE play
- Leary has been staring down blitzes and not getting the ball out for un-accounted edge rushers. Leary accuracy on balls has been shaky. I thought he played poorly in 2nd half.
- Oline....they are not the best group but improved. But Eli Cox had a rough night pass blocking. Flaxie...not had some edge pressures. This Oline seems to be way better run blocking...so let's help them out if we can.

So, run more so that we lose by less. Got it.
Like I said earlier you have a very similar mindset to CMS. I get the ultra conservative thinking but it is a losing offense in today's SEC.

Tell me what you will do when we fall behind 21-0 against these teams with a good offense??

Run some more?? Kill more clock?? Slow down the plays?

We are already at 39 seconds per play.....

 

[NoDef]

Ray had 13 carries for 96 yards in 1st half.
Ray had 7 carries for 32 yards in 2nd half....4.5 yards a carry.
Finished game 20 carries for 128 yards

Mizzou certainly slowed him down....but they never "eliminated" any running game.

I have no idea why you'd want to have less touches to Ray and put the ball more in Leary's arm and Barion, Stephenson-Brown, etc... hands. I can't wrap my mind around that concept.

Long term...we for sure have to have a decent passing offense and Stoops has a glaring issue here which is why Coen is getting $1.2M to fix it. But this year we are 5-2...UK can beat Tennessee, MSU is a mess w/o Leach, USCjr is having a worse season than us to date and Louisville just got whopped by a ho-hum Pitt team. I see no reason to pretend the rest of this season is like a sandlot football practice with throwing the ball around thru our worst part of the entire team when there is still a good season to be taken with the talent we have. I'd like to see Ray Davis blast some team and our physicality wins games.

WE can work on pass game with a new QB next season.

Snapping the ball late in the play clock is one of the reasons that we can't feed Ray Davis as much as we need to. Playing slower than anyone in the nation is going to have a negative effect on recruiting. If you want guys with NFL aspirations to come here, you cant limit their opportunities and snapping it only 55 times a game does that. Of course if the receivers didn't drop so many, those snap counts would improve, but no denying that we purposely play slow to help Stoops defense.

 

[hmt5000]

I agree Leary just can't adjust to under center. Try shotgun offense for a game and if that doesn't work then go with Sherron and some run heavy packages. But for gods sake.... If stoops demands to be so passive on offense to try to protect his defense then the mentality just isn't going to be there to be a scoring offense. Stoops would rather lose 15 to 3 than 43 to 41.

 

[Blisterpac]

In order to win more football games, we need someone to coach the DBs over the next couple of weeks. Perhaps Stoops needs to take them over like he once did years ago.
The DB coach isn't teaching these kids how to play the game. IMO, this is the most challenging position on the field to play and coach.
Our DBs are constantly out of position, not breaking on the ball, making the incorrect read, or properly covering their man when they get in position. As Van Hiles pointed out they don't have "good eyes".
It looks as if we have one decent DB in Max Hairston. The rest could really benefit from intense training, especially the safeties.
On offense, the receivers are killing us by not being consistent in catching the ball. Keep throwing the ball to our back, Davis, as he can catch it as good as anyone we have. There's plenty of coaching that can be done here as well in regard to route running.

 

[Rivals_Defender]

We have a top level OC.
Why would I apply for a job that isn't even available?

There seems to be some things you need to figure out.

Because you and everyone else seems to have the answers, but no one in here is actually the coach. Maybe you can be a voluntary Offensive Coordinator Advisor. Providing your expert analysis free of charge.

 

[FirewithFire]

Leary has vision problems. I'm not sure if he is to short to see over the taller linemen or whether he has literal vision issues and needs an eye test. My guess is the first.

The shotgun idea might give him some room to see, but he triggers from the pistol all the time and still can't get it done, so idk. You also have to worry about the snaps. I agree on the tempo thing. They really need to hurry TF up.

What they really need to do is move the pocket from side to side so that he can roll out. When he is on the move he seems to be much more accurate. Moving can also help give some extra power to his jello arm.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Before I did that, I would teach the receivers how to catch, run crisper routes, get sepeartation, sit in zone soft spots rather than streaking through them like playing against man and lowering the ADOT by (over)throwing fewer 20yd+ attempts to Brown on first down, thus putting us behind the chains and forcing us to pass on obvious passing downs.

Any go route to brown is just a wasted down if not a turnover. He won't fight for the ball at all. In fact I'm not sure he ever left his feet to highpoint a ball; or even caught a ball with his hands instead of body.

Flip brown and key like they were last year. Will go a long way to fixing our pass game. Give key the deep shots and let brown work over the middle with overs and crossers where he can catch and run from defenders. Noone is covering him man on those routes. No way. Plus they're high percentage throws instead of the low percentage go where he gives his QB nowhere to throw

Purely jmo but I think to ensure brown came back, they promised to showcase him as wr #1 with a set number of touches in an attempt to build his NFL brand. Problem is he has none of that skillset at all and it's killing our O.

 

[cathouse]

Because you and everyone else seems to have the answers, but no one in here is actually the coach. Maybe you can be a voluntary Offensive Coordinator Advisor. Providing your expert analysis free of charge.

You do realize this is an open board for fans to discuss our team, either to celebrate wins or critique losses and offer our OPINIONS on what we as former players, coaches, officials, bar tenders, or whatever expertise (or lack thereof) for others to comment on.

If you don't like someone else's OPINION, you have the choice to offer YOUR OPINION as a rebuttal, OR, if you don't like the topic, feel free to just ignore it and move on.

Instead, you and a few other posters on here who think they are called to be the defenders of CMS and the team, regardless of how bad the team is playing, and reply to our OPINIONS with your condescending remarks like you are the know all to be all.

You are right. None of us on here (as far as I know) are coaching the University of KY.

But if we were, we would sure try to " clean up" some of the reoccurring issues that this team is having in hopes of winning some of these final five games.

Right now, based on how this team is playing, and how this staff is preparing and game planning, doesn't give me a warm feeling about winning any of the games left on our schedule this year unless some changes are made.