Self Still Talking About Getting 'Real Close' to a National Championship in 2012

[DwayneMeighan]

Damn, I didn't even pick up on that. Oh well, another victim for the ignore list.

 

[Bigkyfan10]

@DwayneMeighan

No offense, but you're being trolled. He's arguing with you just for the sake of arguing with you. He knows damn well that the staff (specifically Robic) watched the film.

Notice in his very first post that I quoted, he says "Maybe Cal will actually have his players watch game film before the final four game and championship game this year." No mention of the staff.

And then in his second post to me he says "But it is a fact that he made a mistake when he didn't have his players watch game film." Again, no mention of the staff.

Once he was shown how ridiculous he sounded, he did what all trolls do and completely changed his argument to fit his agenda. He has no other purpose here but to bash Cal by any means necessary.

1. I'm not a troll. I'm an alum who was in the marching band and actually born in Lexington. 2. I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm arguing, because I don't like it when people are wrong, incorrect, incompetent. 3. I wasn't wrong. I said that coach Cal didn't have his players watch the game film/(highlight package made by Robic) which if you watch the game again you will hear the broadcaster say that the team didn't watch ANY film. So I was correct. Then the other guy says that coach Cal never has his team watch game film. I find a piece saying that coach Cal has his players watch 10 minutes of film at dinner. BOOM, what do you know, I was correct again. Then the guy's response is Robic watches the game film and the players just watch the highlight package that Robic makes up(so dude now is contradicting himself by saying the players watch a highlight film Robic made up). Dude is incompetent and doesn't realize that game film and highlight package are the same freaking thing. Both involve watching tape of the opposing team play. I'm glad that dude ignored me, it's one less incompetent person I have to listen to.

 

[hoodro]

Dude is incompetent and doesn't realize that game film and highlight package are the same freaking thing.

Actually, they're not. When Cal says the players don't watch any game film, he's not talking about the 10-20 highlight package from Robic. They always watch that. He doesn't consider that "watching game film"

When Cal says that the players don't watch any game film, he's talking about them sitting in a film session and breaking down film of the other team for a couple hours. That's what he considers "watching game film".

There is a big difference between the two. Cal has personally explained this himself on multiple occasions. If you refuse to understand what he means by it, then so be it. Just know that you are wrong.

 

[Smashcat]

 

[brianpoe]

1. I'm not a troll. I'm an alum who was in the marching band and actually born in Lexington. 2. I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm arguing, because I don't like it when people are wrong, incorrect, incompetent. 3. I wasn't wrong. I said that coach Cal didn't have his players watch the game film/(highlight package made by Robic) which if you watch the game again you will hear the broadcaster say that the team didn't watch ANY film. So I was correct. Then the other guy says that coach Cal never has his team watch game film. I find a piece saying that coach Cal has his players watch 10 minutes of film at dinner. BOOM, what do you know, I was correct again. Then the guy's response is Robic watches the game film and the players just watch the highlight package that Robic makes up(so dude now is contradicting himself by saying the players watch a highlight film Robic made up). Dude is incompetent and doesn't realize that game film and highlight package are the same freaking thing. Both involve watching tape of the opposing team play. I'm glad that dude ignored me, it's one less incompetent person I have to listen to.

Easy big fella. No amount of film was going to help us make a shot in that 3 minute span that lost the game.

I am sure we can all come up with a pretty long list as to why we lost before film work shows up.

 

[UKhoopCat]

I find it very telling that Self is already saying that Bragg will be a multiple year player.

 

[RC_Texas]

I find it very telling that Self is already saying that Bragg will be a multiple year player.

Not only Self, but Bragg isn't listed on any of the 2016 Mock NBA drafts. Not right to push out a kid if they are only going to sign with the D-League. He should stay.

 

[.S&C.]

I was just quoting you. You said just because Coach Rupp only played for the Jayhawks that doesn't make him a Jayhawk. I disagreed with you. We have exchanged posts before on other thread. You have been critical of my statements that Coach Rupp and Coach Calipari were part of Kansas basketball history. I was not then, or am not now, trying to minimize their impact on Kentucky basketball history.

You had said that not many people knew that Rupp was a Jayhawk. Maybe many UK fans didn't know that, I will take your word on that. But, that doesn't change the fact that he was a Jayhawk.

And like I said, hopefully you get to see Kansas move past schools like Louisville in championships and prestige before the ole dirt nap. I know lots of past Kansas fans never got to see what Rupp and UK did in 1951, win a 3rd title. That's how much of a joke you are to UK fans.

Stand with Louisville, look at the back of Uconn, and stfu. Having a "neat" arena, copying UK, playing in a lot of games, does NOT make you a blue blood. I never include Kansas as a blue blood, I don't want to bring down the collective best with Kansas mediocracy.

BUT WE PLAYED IN LOTS OF GAMES!!!!

You will always follow big step bro UK. we are the standard, oh jealous chap.

 

[Hoskins91]

Are we really nitpicking about this? I don't have a problem with saying this. I understand it makes people think of the "we just ran out of time", and agree that was a stupid thing to say, especially since we expanded the lead in the last few minutes.

 

[Chairman Meow]

And like I said, hopefully you get to see Kansas move past schools like Louisville in championships and prestige before the ole dirt nap. I know lots of past Kansas fans never got to see what Rupp and UK did in 1951, win a 3rd title. That's how much of a joke you are to UK fans.

Stand with Louisville, look at the back of Uconn, and stfu. Having a "neat" arena, copying UK, playing in a lot of games, does NOT make you a blue blood. I never include Kansas as a blue blood, I don't want to bring down the collective best with Kansas mediocracy.

BUT WE PLAYED IN LOTS OF GAMES!!!!

You will always follow big step bro UK. we are the standard, oh jealous chap.

You forgot to include the Holy Grail of KU basketball accomplishments - the 11 conference championships in a row.

 

[.S&C.]

You forgot to include the Holy Grail of KU basketball accomplishments - the 11 conference championships in a row.

Isn't it funny watching a "blue blood" tout conference titles because it's what they have to ring home about?

We have, what? 60 something combined conference championships? I mean, WGAF? Cal doesn't even want to play for conference titles.

Again, Kansas is showing why they are NOT a TRUE blue blood.

 

[Willy4UK]

Not only Self, but Bragg isn't listed on any of the 2016 Mock NBA drafts. Not right to push out a kid if they are only going to sign with the D-League. He should stay.

Bragg stays because he wants a Big 12 conference championship ring.

 

[RC_Texas]

I know you a 'll are trying to be funny. But should the goal really be to see how many kids can be drafted only to end up playing in the D-League? Again why push a kid (s) out when they are not ready?

 

[Chairman Meow]

I know you a 'll are trying to be funny. But should the goal really be to see how many kids can be drafted only to end up playing in the D-League? Again why push a kid (s) out when they are not ready?

Self's McDonald's All-Americans don't end up not getting drafted or panning out in the NBA, they just run out of time.

Sincerely,
Wayne Simien
Josh Selby
Cliff Alexander
Micah Downs
Xavier Henry
Wayne Selden
Elijah Johnson
JR Giddens
Julian Wright
Russell Robinson
Aaron Miles
Sherron Collins
etc etc

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

Self's McDonald's All-Americans don't end up not getting drafted or panning out in the NBA, they just run out of time.

Sincerely,
Wayne Simien - Injuries
Josh Selby - Shouldn't have left early (see Harrison twins)
Cliff Alexander - NCAA eligibility issues did not allow him to showcase
Micah Downs - Played at Gonzaga
Xavier Henry - Injuries
Wayne Selden - Still in school
Elijah Johnson - Wasn't a McDonald's all-american
JR Giddens - Went to New Mexico because of off court issues. Was recruited by Roy.
Julian Wright - Never really had any basketball skill. Played in the NBA for several years despite this.
Russell Robinson - Wasn't a McDonald's AA.
Aaron Miles - Was a Roy recruit.
Sherron Collins - Weight problems. You cannot coach eating disorders and self control.
etc etc

 

[reddickulis81]

IIRC we basically dominated that game in 2012 (and I do recall correctly), he wasn't close.

Go back n watch... MKG saved our ass.

 

[Chairman Meow]

I meant Darrell Arthur instead of Selden. that is my bad.

Forgot Cole Aldrich too.

the rest of those excuses are really pathetic.

Russell Robinson was an 2003 Parade AA. His wiki page says he was McD AA but looks like that is wrong.
Elijah Johnson was a consensus top 20 recruit for sure, so same thing as McD.

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

I meant Darrell Arthur instead of Selden. that is my bad.

Forgot Cole Aldrich too.

the rest of those excuses are really pathetic.

Russell Robinson was an 2003 Parade AA. His wiki page says he was McD AA but looks like that is wrong.
Elijah Johnson was a consensus top 20 recruit for sure, so same thing as McD.

None were as highly rated as the majority of players who played at Kentucky and none were expected to be anything other than role players in the NBA. Is your argument that if Anthony Davis had played for Self at KU that he wouldn't be the NBA all-star he is today?

 

[Clive Gollings]

Fact is he played at UK and is the all star he is today. Opinion is he could have done that anywhere.

Another opinion is if Davis played at KU is would be on the list above of McD's AA that have flamed out of the NBA like the other KU players.

I don't mind KU fans talking about ties Calipari and Rupp have to KU. Everyone knows where there success happened and it wasn't KU. KU fans realize this and want some of that good UK success to build up their lack of success.

 

[RC_Texas]

Fact is he played at UK and is the all star he is today. Opinion is he could have done that anywhere.

Another opinion is if Davis played at KU is would be on the list above of McD's AA that have flamed out of the NBA like the other KU players.

I don't mind KU fans talking about ties Calipari and Rupp have to KU. Everyone knows where there success happened and it wasn't KU. KU fans realize this and want some of that good UK success to build up their lack of success.

Clive, good to see you posting again!

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Not only Self, but Bragg isn't listed on any of the 2016 Mock NBA drafts. Not right to push out a kid if they are only going to sign with the D-League. He should stay.

You haven't even seen him play yet in a college game and you're already saying he should stay?

It appears Coach Self has successfully brainwashed you Jayhawk fans into thinking guys should stay and "develop."

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

None were as highly rated as the majority of players who played at Kentucky and none were expected to be anything other than role players in the NBA. Is your argument that if Anthony Davis had played for Self at KU that he wouldn't be the NBA all-star he is today?

Here's the better question - had Cal coached Wiggins, would he have lost in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament with a 2/6 showing from the field?

 

[Chairman Meow]

What a ringing endorsement of Bill Self. He probably uses it for recruiting.

"Hi. I'm Bill Self. I've been making McDonald All Americans into D Leaguers and European players for over a decade now."

 

[Clive Gollings]

Clive, good to see you posting again!

Why are you following me? I post here all the time, maybe not as much as some KU fans but still a regular.

Stop being a stalker.

 

[RC_Texas]

You haven't even seen him play yet in a college game and you're already saying he should stay?

It appears Coach Self has successfully brainwashed you Jayhawk fans into thinking guys should stay and "develop."

I am just saying if he isn't on NBA mock draft and Self is saying maybe he needs more than one year of development, maybe he shouldn't be looking to join the Fort Wayne Mad Ants next season. Self won't push him out to free up scholarships.

 

[Clive Gollings]

Very few KU recruits are able to go early due to development while in college.

Self and KU doesn't have a great track record of producing pros.

Under Self, their players seem to reach the peak of their careers when winning a Big 12 championship. They flame out in the tournament and then the NBA.

They are proof that top recruits can't "go anywhere' and succeed in the NBA.

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

Very few KU recruits are able to go early due to development while in college.

Self and KU doesn't have a great track record of producing pros.

Under Self, their players seem to reach the peak of their careers when winning a Big 12 championship. They flame out in the tournament and then the NBA.

They are proof that top recruits can't "go anywhere' and succeed in the NBA.

I love it when in the same thread, sound counterarguments to what you posted are made, and are simply ignored.

 

[Clive Gollings]

Good. No wonder you're here daily. KU fans "counterarguments" are ignored for good reason. They're just plain dumb. Hence the repeat.

At some point in time, I suspect you guys will realize your schtick and made up realities doesn't fly here. Or, you're to dense to comprehend and you'll be here when you wake up in the morning saying the same stuff over and over.