Yeah, reading what Stupes said makes me wanna vomit. We've plateaued as a program if that's what he thinks. Hell, at this point, those 10-3 seasons look like flash-in-a-pan anomalies now.
Scran and Yenser got to go
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WR room is, dingle is very good young TE, RB room is below avg outside rodriguez, and the o-line is bad.
Tonight's game was simple. You have one HC who's offense is designed to score a lot and often and the others is to play slow methodical 1970s fb and puts zero premium on scoring. You would think tonight's game would make the one coach reevaluate the way games/championships are won today in cfb. I wouldn't hold my breath.
Two weeks ago UT beat Alabama and that game wasn’t as close as the final score. UT was in control for most of it. We have more talent on our Roster across the board than ever in our history. Can it still step up a notch or two further? Of course, but we do not “lack talent” and for it to step up we need to be beating out the Alabamas and UGAs for it. How do we do that?
After about 6 tries UT got lightning in a bottle with Huepel. Now tell me who were supposed to replace Stoops with that will have us competing for a Natty in year two? I’ll hang up and wait for your answer.
Oh please...knock it off.
You think guys like Deone Walker, Ox, Weaver, Wright, Wallace, Valentine, Vito Tisdale, Keaton Wade down the road, etc... are typical UK defenders?
You think UK has rolled out Key, Brown and Robinson at WR in your lifetime? Dingle is a poor TE? The Oline is huge mystery to me.....I for the life of me have a hard time believing what has been at least mid to above average Oline all these years is suddenly worst Oline in SEC. I just think there is a major coaching problem going on.
I agree with the opening post...
1. Yenser 100% percent has to go. You just can't bring him back. We've have middle to well above average Oline under Stoops for so long. And we've lost guys like Big George, Toth, Bunchy Stallings, Stenberg, Landon Young, Drake Jackson,, etc...and plugged and moved on. I just can't believe the Oline kids (who are as highly rated as we've ever had) are this huge a talent drop. Heck, Horsey and Cox have been fine before and not are not.
2. Scang....it's getting harder and harder to see a reason to keep him. I can try to put it on the Oline so much. He was handed LEvis, CROd and got some very good WR talent to Ky.....he has crapped the bed with what he inherited.
1. Yenser 100% percent has to go. You just can't bring him back. We've have middle to well above average Oline under Stoops for so long. And we've lost guys like Big George, Toth, Bunchy Stallings, Stenberg, Landon Young, Drake Jackson,, etc...and plugged and moved on. I just can't believe the Oline kids (who are as highly rated as we've ever had) are this huge a talent drop. Heck, Horsey and Cox have been fine before and not are not.
2. Scang....it's getting harder and harder to see a reason to keep him. I can try to put it on the Oline so much. He was handed LEvis, CROd and got some very good WR talent to Ky.....he has crapped the bed with what he inherited.
Folks, we struggled to block and score on Youngstown State. We had a HUGE talent advantage in that game and still struggled. It's not the lack of talent. It's a lack of coaching and bad schemes.
I knew the season would be a disaster when they started talking about using a fullback in the preseason....
Disagree. There are soots where UK is as talented as anyone in the SEC. WR, TE maybe. There are some up and comers at LB possibly. D line is maybe a little above (interior). The rest, nope. Edge rush us severely lacking. O line is bad. Secondary is average. No depth at QB.
It's not where you think it is. Recruiting has improved, but not enough. An injury here or there wrecks this team. Need more depth. Need more speed.
Jimmy's and Joe's brother. Can't coach size and speed. UK has some of that, but not near enough.
We saw what happened without Levis. Without C Rod. No depth. No dudes behind the. Key and Brown are legit, but no depth behind them.
Guys get better in practice. Not games. If the starters have no competition pushing them, it shows up in games.
Does the personnel and the ability to recruit to a school with our history and the lack of numbers in state factor in? Stoops has made great strides in this area but it's a never ending battle.
I agree but we would have won despite all of the mistakes if not for a penalty at the end.
Marrow produces at a very high level. Your expectations that have no basis in reality are not his failing.
He’s been here ten years. We have a QB that draft experts are drooling over. We have talent at the receiver position. We have an All SEC running back. Our offense still sucks. If not now, then when is Stoops going to be asked to have an offense that isn’t bad?
We have the worst offense in the conference. Are we supposed to hang on to that for future success? It literally doesn't get any worse from here.
His draft status is based on potential. Reality right now is he is a great competitor and leader with huge talent and some flaws still to work out. The OLine has largely sabotaged the passing game. He has had good offenses that won a lot and many still whined because we didn't throw enough. I do understand the value of throwing the ball. Do you understand the value of doing what gives the best chance to win with what you have?
Most of what you said is true, but getting beat by 38 is unacceptable. At this point in the building process you would at least expect for this team to compete. I didn't see that last night. Didn't expect really to win down there, but did think we would give them a game.
Focus next year needs to be two fold:
OL development and self scouting our offensive approach. First one is self explanatory so let's focus on the second.
Last year coen struggled most of the season. We barely put up anything vs Florida or any other sec opponent until after the MSU game.
What happened? Coen, like scang, came from the NFL and thought he would just put scheme these cfb suckers. Found out he was dead wrong. Every defense in the NFL is much the same schematically. In college every week is totally different. To counter that, coen finally embraced some cfb wrinkles: QB run and rpo.
Add in those wrinkles and this offense takes off. If we stick with endless shifting in hopes of getting that perfect 1 on 1, it isn't working. As we saw numerous times this season, players can ruin a perfect play call.
Line up. Play college football
OL development and self scouting our offensive approach. First one is self explanatory so let's focus on the second.
Last year coen struggled most of the season. We barely put up anything vs Florida or any other sec opponent until after the MSU game.
What happened? Coen, like scang, came from the NFL and thought he would just put scheme these cfb suckers. Found out he was dead wrong. Every defense in the NFL is much the same schematically. In college every week is totally different. To counter that, coen finally embraced some cfb wrinkles: QB run and rpo.
Add in those wrinkles and this offense takes off. If we stick with endless shifting in hopes of getting that perfect 1 on 1, it isn't working. As we saw numerous times this season, players can ruin a perfect play call.
Line up. Play college football
I'm normally not a "fire the coach" guy, they certainly know more than I do. But like K says, there's major coaching problems going on here for whatever reason. I hope Stoops decides his OC/OL hires aren't working and pulls the plug. Hell, I'd give the OL to Jackson even tho he's too young, a GA, inexperienced. Can't possibly be as bad as the current guy.
This, a lot of people on here want to use the oline as an excuse for all our problems.
Scangarello/Yenser will never succeed here because they are inflexible and unwilling to change/adapt. Gran and Coen at least had the ability to adapt and improvise. Scang is 100% set in his ways. In his mind, his system is perfect. That is why we keep doing the same crap every weekend with the same results. Get rid of him now. His system sucks for this level of football and it is never going to be adequate, no matter how many years you give him. I would much prefer to start all over with a new approach under the right coordinator than to continue this BS for another year under the present one. Scangarello is every bit as terrible as the guy Rich Brooks brought in here from K-State back in 2003.
Mistakes yes but Tennessee got every break they could get too. Hard hit on that slant but the ball doesn’t bounce into someone’s arms without moving very often. They punted 3 c. Each punt downed inside the 3 yd line. The 1st one ball hit at the 2. Bounced straight up 15 feet That doesn’t happen much either. I’ve played sports all my life and been a part of teams just getting all the lucky breaks. They were better than us. But man they got every bounce and call their way all night.
They beat LSU 40-13 I’d argue that if we don’t commit stupid turnovers that stopped sure scoring drives and keep giving them short fields it would’ve looked better for us than that. I’m sure LSU is talentless too though.
It’s a line of scrimmage league. Tennessee owned both lines; Tennessee has an elite front four, their back seven, not so much. Hooker would look mediocre if he was in Levis’s position.
LSU decided that using a more aggressive passing attack was the way to go, and they have played better. Getting your butt kicked can be a good thing if you learn from it like LSU did. LSU ran a horrible offense against Tennessee and executed terribly to end the half. LSU learned their lesson, will Kentucky?
Definitely not. Haven’t learned in 10 years. And from post game stoops is still adamant that this is the way he wants to do things.
Not talentless. Not as talented as they are normally. Plus they are learning a new system.
That Pick in the 2nd qtr was the lucky bounce they got to win that ballgame on. It was completely over at that point. We had it marching down the field and into the RedZone and if we score right there instead of throwing a INT the whole thing is different as score goes to 20-13 provided we get lucky and make PAT. Also, maybe it gets the crowd simmered down for just long enough to get to halftime down only 1 score, and our ball to start the 2nd and if we get that TD, or just any points for that matter maybe get a little confidence booster.. then has a chance to grow some more and get guys clicking if it ever becomes a 20-20 game but instead hell with all that and go the locker room looking at a 27-6 halftime score with a team who's just not in sync and nobody looks close to being on same page most of time.
That lucky bounce we needed was that 2ndQ pick. Was stupid how it even happened. Unlucky shit. Then that also causes even more scared play calling as if it wasn't already shaky enough.
But I'll say a lucky bounce or 2 is always big and much needed in any game and esp the kind of environment like last night. They smacked us but nothing we was gonna do about it in the 2nd half. I also hate bye weeks btw. Sometimes rest is good for guys with injuries but mainly bye weeks seem to always do more harm than good. It just seems to throws shit off and this team is already off far enough. We don't have the chemistry of the Wisconsin Vadgers Volleyball team. That's what this team needs.
Eddie Gran would have adjusted and beat SC with CRod and one of Crowder/Brown/Robinson running RPO in the backfield
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