Metrics are facts. You can ignore them if you want, but they tell the real story and not your eye test.
No. You take # of 3s taken, and # of 3s made. You do not get to take his best game and deduct it. Hell, take his worst game and deduct that then if you are wanting to finagle his true shooting %. Even if you did your slanted thinking, 35% is NOT bad. Where would that have placed him on this years team ? Funny you leave out other important stats like his 3.8 assist per game. 3 point shooting is not all UK needs, somebody has to be able to score inside (this years teams big weak spot). He plays physical, evident by his attempting 7 free throws per game. The MOST FT's attempted on this years roster, was Oweh at 5.3 per game. Everybody wants to get caught in 3 point shooting, but at the end of the day, SOMEBODY has to score 2s and inside. The biggest thing that cost UK this year in the end, was not having people who could play physical, score inside, or draw fouls. Teams never got in foul trouble because UK did not draw fouls enough to do so.
He averaged something like 6 assists per game, and as you point out, was only partially the facilitator of the offense. Those are pretty good numbers. Not to mention he had a 2:1 A/TO ratio. Nothing to sneeze at either. There are better pure PGs out there, for sure. But Butler is pretty solid overall. I just disagree with the assertion you don't need a PG in this offense. I'd be curious to see Demary in that role though. Compared to what we had, I definitely think Demary would've been better than any of the non-Butler options. No argument from me there.
It's an extremely small sample size. He said it in an earlier post, he went 1-9 in the month of Feb. Good 3 point shooters don't make 1 or take 9 in a month. He's just a guy that shot a few threes and made a few threes. Nothing more, nothing less. He barely attempted one per game in 33 mins/game. There's no solid evidence that would support he shoots it all that well.
IMHO, all this is due to his immaturity as a player. He gets far too involved in the emotions of everything TOO MUCH. Solve that and maybe we're working with a guy that can do it. But to me, that his major roadblock to success.
100% correct. But I agree, get all the feedback needed. It's silly not to. The ability to make money (while developing) next year at UK is probably a much more attractive option than developing in the G-League at $40K. Hell, he can do that the next year when he's out of eligibility.
Butler is a heck of a pg, nobody is doubting that.
Totally agreed about not needing a guy like that to win one. In my mind, complete roster construction makes a huge difference too. Take this years team, for example. We REALLY needed Butler especially after Kriisa went down. We were just toast without that. Then JR went down and we were really toast. But even if JR stayed healthy, I'm not sure a big sample size with him in the PG rotation would be awesome. I know everyone talks about Oweh's need to improve his shot, and that's FOR SURE an area for improvement. But I'd really like to see him improve his handles, finishing, and decision-making with the ball in his hands. And honestly, I think that's a far more possible improvement over a few months than completely reworking his shot mechanics. That's just not an easy thing to do, especially over the course of a few months.
Seems like we need guys that specialize in something.
No. That's why I am a STATISTICIAN and you are NOT.
At Center, Garrison and Gwath would split close to 20/20 in minutes, I would think. That’s what Pope did most of the year with Williams and Garrison until Williams really asserted himself toward the end.
He may be listed at that. He doesn't move anywhere near as well as Bailey. He moves like a 7'2" center that can barely dunk
Yet between "barely being able to dunk" and playing mostly on the perimeter, he gets 50% more rebounds than Bailey. Damn Bailey must have the vertical of me (which is really bad).
WHOA Buddy, look out, we got us a STATISTICIAN on here. Well Stat man, you didn't take his worst performance shooting out, ONLY his best, thus my SLANTED comment. Yeap, writing down players stats at a scorers table DEFINITELY qualifies you to use slanted stats to fit your narrative. When I grow up, I want to be JUST like you, a STATISTICIAN. Hell, you used all caps to make yourself look super important and full of knowledge. LOL, I have seen it all now.
Lol, you really are making yourself look more and more stupid.
I think you’re missing the point. These dudes are one year mercs as long as the rules are what they are. There’s zero guarantee any of them that can stay, will. That’s what I mean by not being able to play the long game. Pope has a little bit of traction this year because they had some success. Go 18-14 next year and the entire team will bounce. He’s on record as saying a mix of 4/5 star frosh, experienced portal guys, and returnees is the formula. I don’t think he’s wrong about that.
I wouldn’t use the word horrific. It’s only a slight hitch. He shot 35% from three. That’s not bad.
That's a roster that gets bounced in the Sweet Sixteen.
And Wheeler was shooting 36.6% before the QUITTER quit on his team. But he still was a bad shooter, since no one would even try to guard him outside 15' making every jumper he took a longer FT for him.
Yeah, that's the big thing I see. If Garrison or Oweh had to shoot the 3s JR or Brea did...they'd be in the 20s, maybe. Those guys are basically playing H-O-R-S-E when they take a 3. Nobody is running them off the line. If Brea got Oweh's attempts, he'd have shot somewhere between 60-80%.
What was wheelers sample size? 12 takes? Cal bringing in wheeler is why we are where we are. If the old timer had brought in a legit pg those two wheeler seasons would have ended differently. A legit pg with Oscar TyTy and kellen and we make a deep run. All cal had to do was recruit a competent pg something he had excelled at.
I didn’t miss the point.
Your entire roster was built of underclassmen. That's my point. And I think was Pope's as well when he made the comment. Mix your returnees with elite level youth (whether that is portal frosh or incoming from HS) and portal vets (Carr/Williams/Butler). The days of having a cohesive roster are over until the rules change.
could the differences be attributed to style of play, competition?
Wheeler had many problems, one of which is that he's tiny.
15-41. The EXACT same number of attempts Reed Bailey took this year (17-41), but Wheeler's came in 13 less games.
The dumbest thing is you thinking that was comparing Oweh to Wheeler. SMH
Yes, of course they can.
