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I know it’s possible these guys will hit sophomore slumps, but I think you have to lock up DelaCruz, Strand, and McClain and Abbott to go with Greene. Then fill in around them with whatever money you have left. I’m not sold on Diaz being able to do this for multiple years.
Going to be tough to keep everyone on the Reds budget as a small market team. Steer deserves to be in this conversation too and have to think Ashcraft is trending in that direction too. Someone will get traded just like they always do and likely more than one.
 
Senzel whines to the media about PT, gets the PT and looks like an original member of the Bad News Bears so Bell rewards him with more PT. SMH.
Should just cut his whining ass. He won't be missed. Players like him are a dime a dozen. He wants to get traded so bad, good luck finding an organization that would give his sorry ass the opportunities Cincinnati has over and over.
 
Should just cut his whining ass. He won't be missed. Players like him are a dime a dozen. He wants to get traded so bad, good luck finding an organization that would give his sorry ass the opportunities Cincinnati has over and over.
Lacks the balls to take this up with Bell, whines to the media instead. Reds are trying to win ballgames here, this isn't a "Everybody gets a trophy, let's have a pizza party!" deal. If I were Senzel's team mate I'd tell him to eff off. Bench your best defensive outfielder and 2 of your best hitters. Pathetic.
 
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Lacks the balls to take this up with Bell, whines to the media instead. Reds are trying to win ballgames here, this isn't a "Everybody gets a trophy, let's have a pizza party!" deal. If I were Senzel's team mate I'd tell him to eff off. Bench your best defensive outfielder and 2 of your best hitters. Pathetic.
Don't need that kind of attitude while sulking in the background and be a team chemistry killer. I guess we're all supposed to act like nothing happened now that he hit a home run against the low life Nationals which is nothing but a AAA team where he belongs.
 
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So much for a 'reduced role' when he wasn't playing hardly at all and post-trade deadline started 3 of the last 4 games. Unbelievable. Not the time to be pandering to him half a game back now.

Guess he'll be starting the remainder of the series now...
 
Even a blind pig finds an acorn.

Don't need that kind of attitude while sulking in the background and be a team chemistry killer. I guess we're all supposed to act like nothing happened now that he hit a home run against the low life Nationals which is nothing but a AAA team where he belongs.
Like I said the other day, done hyping up the little achievements here or there from Senzel. I'm happy for the Reds sake they are winning but done believing in the bullshit lines of a 'revamped swing', he's 'turning the corner' or finally 'healthy'. Take what you can get but don't get duped into believing he is anything more than what he is now in his 5th season.
 
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This is why you don't burn your closer out in non-save situations and need a dominant setup guy for a high-leverage situation like that. Left in way too damn long and frankly should not have been out there. 32 pitches and spent for the series after this.
 
How can you honestly defend David Bell after this piss poor week of management? Krall, played scared and wouldn't add anyone to help this team running on fumes. It's amazing how much 1 week can change the outlook of this season. August schedule isn't getting any easier and you cannot afford to lose to the Nationals. Wonder why Diaz doesn't look as sharp as he did earlier in the season, stunts like bringing him out for a 2nd inning. Sitting your team leader in home runs because you want to play the lefty vs right splits. Newman 0-5, Fairchild 1-4 & Senzel 1-5.
 
How can you honestly defend David Bell after this piss poor week of management? Krall, played scared and wouldn't add anyone to help this team running on fumes. It's amazing how much 1 week can change the outlook of this season. August schedule isn't getting any easier and you cannot afford to lose to the Nationals.
Bell screws around with the lineup so much that I’m expecting the ground crew to start a game.
 
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These last 2 games were wins in June. Sure looks like they've lost their way minus any comeback wins but they're also not whole either with Fraley unable to pinch-hit in a crucial situation.
 
I don't blame Ashcraft or Diaz entirely for giving up the runs but David Bell pushing them past the point to where they are gassed. At this point in the season, should no better than to pitch Alexis beyond an inning. Remember the 40-pitch save he had vs the Marlins earlier this season? Been pushed to the brink. The fact Ashcraft was able to push through 8 innings for the 2nd time a Reds pitcher done so all year was amazing. He pitched better than the 3 runs show for his effort. Also, what the hell is going on with these lineups? This approach is about as crazy as the old Billy Martin draw your name from a cap approach.
 
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Fraley to IL with broken bone in foot, Hopkins recalled. That means we now get a steady dose of whiney Senzel and his .220 BA.
 
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Senzel, coming off a start at 3B in Chicago in which he had a Bad News Bears-like 3 errors that allowed the Cubs to score 5 unearned runs, starts at 3B today. Note to all: Whining works.
 
I'll take struggling Jonathan India all day over Nick Senzel so long as India isn't rushing it to come back further risking injury. Zero reason to play Senzel once Jonathan India returns.
 
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This is why you don't burn your closer out in non-save situations and need a dominant setup guy for a high-leverage situation like that. Left in way too damn long and frankly should not have been out there. 32 pitches and spent for the series after this.
They need the Nasty Boys back there, Norm Charlton & Rob Dibble hold down the fort and Randy Myers come in for the saves. Game over once they came in after Tom Browning, Jose Rijo & Danny Jackson left the game. Getting there with Diaz, Antone once healthy and sign another setup man for 2024 since you can't add anyone else at this point.
 
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Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me to see it go downhill from here but knowing how bright the future has become. Way ahead of schedule still frankly. Still time to get it right but the momentum has clearly changed with injuries and outcomes.
Yep, just a different energy around the team now. They seem drained.

Maybe India is that important to the teams psyche.
 
This is why an innings eater should have been acquired. Can't expect rookies to carry you all season long without a struggle at some point. For the pitchers, no doubt this is the most they've ever pitched in their careers and you still have nearly 2 months to go. At this point, you're going to have to shutdown Abbott/Williamson when Greene & Lodolo are back or risk them getting seriously injured like Kerry Wood & Mark Prior early in their careers. He's better than a 5 run pitcher to the Nationals. Offense can't even put a run on the board. Hopefully India does not have any lingering injuries, got some rest and need his presence in the lineup in the worst way. I blame a lot on David Bell but Krall has a lot of answering to do not bringing in depth to stabilize this roster especially the pitching staff injury plagued all year long. 2023 is going to be what it is. They're at least a year ahead of schedule contending at this point of the season regardless when everyone probably picked them 4th or 5th in the division to start the season.
 
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Going to watch the Reds on Wed with my BIG REDS friend. They are folding like like a cheap suit. 9-13 in last 22. Pitching and hitting have left town.
 
Barry's comments are damning and he is exactly right. Unacceptable. 5 losses in a row, can't win in your division and drop the series to the 2nd worst team in the NL in your home park.
 
This organization needs to improve a few roster elements in the off-season but also get more DEPTH!

We look out of gas.
 
Front office didn’t do nearly enough before the trade deadline. Reds have the 5th worst team ERA in MLB. Should’ve tried to pickup another starting pitcher, maybe even another bat or two. Offensively Reds are middle of the pack for team BA, 7th in runs scored but 5th in K’s. Only one starter today hitting over .300, that’s not good enough.
 
Yep, just a different energy around the team now. They seem drained.

Maybe India is that important to the teams psyche.

Yup. He's a leader in that clubhouse and apparently on the field.

This is why an innings eater should have been acquired. Can't expect rookies to carry you all season long without a struggle at some point. For the pitchers, no doubt this is the most they've ever pitched in their careers and you still have nearly 2 months to go. At this point, you're going to have to shutdown Abbott/Williamson when Greene & Lodolo are back or risk them getting seriously injured like Kerry Wood & Mark Prior early in their careers. He's better than a 5 run pitcher to the Nationals. Offense can't even put a run on the board. Hopefully India does not have any lingering injuries, got some rest and need his presence in the lineup in the worst way. I blame a lot on David Bell but Krall has a lot of answering to do not bringing in depth to stabilize this roster especially the pitching staff injury plagued all year long. 2023 is going to be what it is. They're at least a year ahead of schedule contending at this point of the season regardless when everyone probably picked them 4th or 5th in the division to start the season.
Everything seems to be mounting up all at once and not slowing down. From the incompetence of the manager, injuries, overworked starting rotation giving up runs early and a bullpen that is gassed. 4 pitchers on 1 team have pitched the 5 most games of any reliever all season and the front office did next to nothing to stop the bleeding in the bullpen. Cincinnati does not have that killer instinct to come back in games right now that was there earlier in the summer and will just lay down and die when teams run up a big lead on them. The issues of not having the same energy from earlier in the year falls on leadership to figure out how to get back to that point. Not sure I trust Bell is going to be able to do it before this team finds themselves in a much deeper hole out of the race like 2021 when they fell off post All-Star Break. Now twice contending teams are falling apart in 3 years with Bell with a veteran team then and a young, talented team now. They definitely are ahead of schedule in development but quite a few of these losses are much more than rookies and injuries but the managerial decisions.

Krall & ownership failed to address the starting rotation over the offseason believing it was okay to start the year with Cessa & Overton at the 4th-5th spot and did nothing again at the deadline knowing this is the time of year to skip starts & shutdown rookies for their workload management. Played it too conservative when smaller trades could have been made for back end starters and a setup reliever or two. Then again expecting the front office to make the trades at the deadline for impact players to significantly change the course of the franchise would be delusional. Will never be big spenders like New York, Atlanta, Chicago or LA. Did not really add anyone impactful in 2021 either when they were trying to contend instead of rebuilding. Both teams dealt with injuries and the front office did little to address the issues. Pieced together a rotation on a hope and a prayer that Weaver is somehow a quality major league starting pitcher and Lively being out of MLB for 5 years was a gamble in of itself that for the most part has paid off until the last start. Cincinnati is getting what they paid for right now.

They need India's presence back on the field and enough of the Senzel & Newman experience. I said earlier in the season when India trade talks are brought up, better know what you have first in all of these prospects before trading India with the leadership he brings to this Reds team. Rookies have hit the 'rookie wall' and are making mistakes that weren't happening in June and most of July. Doesn't help when you have veterans like Senzel screwing it all up and playing Pirates scraps like Kevin Newman.

Still obviously high on EDLC, McLain, Steer, Benson, CES. India should bounce back after healing up and getting some rest. Expected more out of Stephenson offensively at this point. Reds will probably stay status quo in the outfield with Friedl top 10 in the NL batting avg & Fraley 2nd on the team with 15 HRs, most RBIs with 63. Both are good players, ideally your 3rd best outfielder in a lineup on a deep team. Why not look to upgrade there with all of these infield prospects who will never make it to Cincinnati and go trade next year for an outfielder who would have 20 + HR & 80 RBIs at this point in the season. An impact outfielder to go along with Benson, plus Fraley/Friedl would give this team much needed depth.
 
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Everything seems to be mounting up all at once and not slowing down. From the incompetence of the manager, injuries, overworked starting rotation giving up runs early and a bullpen that is gassed. 4 pitchers on 1 team have pitched the 5 most games of any reliever all season and the front office did next to nothing to stop the bleeding in the bullpen. Cincinnati does not have that killer instinct to come back in games right now that was there earlier in the summer and will just lay down and die when teams run up a big lead on them. The issues of not having the same energy from earlier in the year falls on leadership to figure out how to get back to that point. Not sure I trust Bell is going to be able to do it before this team finds themselves in a much deeper hole out of the race like 2021 when they fell off post All-Star Break. Now twice contending teams are falling apart in 3 years with Bell with a veteran team then and a young, talented team now. They definitely are ahead of schedule in development but quite a few of these losses are much more than rookies and injuries but the managerial decisions.

Krall & ownership failed to address the starting rotation over the offseason believing it was okay to start the year with Cessa & Overton at the 4th-5th spot and did nothing again at the deadline knowing this is the time of year to skip starts & shutdown rookies for their workload management. Played it too conservative when smaller trades could have been made for back end starters and a setup reliever or two. Then again expecting the front office to make the trades at the deadline for impact players to significantly change the course of the franchise would be delusional. Will never be big spenders like New York, Atlanta, Chicago or LA. Did not really add anyone impactful in 2021 either when they were trying to contend instead of rebuilding. Both teams dealt with injuries and the front office did little to address the issues. Pieced together a rotation on a hope and a prayer that Weaver is somehow a quality major league starting pitcher and Lively being out of MLB for 5 years was a gamble in of itself that for the most part has paid off until the last start. Cincinnati is getting what they paid for right now.

They need India's presence back on the field and enough of the Senzel & Newman experience. I said earlier in the season when India trade talks are brought up, better know what you have first in all of these prospects before trading India with the leadership he brings to this Reds team. Rookies have hit the 'rookie wall' and are making mistakes that weren't happening in June and most of July. Doesn't help when you have veterans like Senzel screwing it all up and playing Pirates scraps like Kevin Newman.

Still obviously high on EDLC, McLain, Steer, Benson, CES. India should bounce back after healing up and getting some rest. Expected more out of Stephenson offensively at this point. Reds will probably stay status quo in the outfield with Friedl top 10 in the NL batting avg & Fraley 2nd on the team with 15 HRs, most RBIs with 63. Both are good players, ideally your 3rd best outfielder in a lineup on a deep team. Why not look to upgrade there with all of these infield prospects who will never make it to Cincinnati and go trade next year for an outfielder who would have 20 + HR & 80 RBIs at this point in the season. An impact outfielder to go along with Benson, plus Fraley/Friedl would give this team much needed depth.
Lane Thomas could play for me in a heartbeat.
 
Senzel and his stellar .220 BA start again as Bell shoves him down our throats and he hits ahead of Benson. I know some on these Reds sites don't like Larkin, I do but whatever, but he said Benson needs to move up in the lineup. Instead he drops below a .220 hitter. SMH, maybe Benson needs to piss and moan to management, seems to be working for Senzel.
 
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Steer gets the day off. Safe to say Ripken never would've broken Gehrig's consecutive games play streak had Bell been his manager.
 
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Bell will be wearing out the BP again out of necessity. Last thing this team needed was for Greene to miss months and Lively get hurt 1-game after his best ever start.
 
McClain's really pressing and swinging at crazy pitches.
CES too, he really tied himself up on those up and in fastballs.

MM, CES, EDLC are in a tough spot. For the most part, if the Reds are to win games those guys have to hit and they know that. Most games they get very little out of the vets.
 
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The way the Reds are slumping, Votto is likely going to take the the team lead in home runs with 12 and that is all since coming off the IL in late June. Already surpassed his total from 2022. Lineup needs to start clicking again. Feel like once this team gets buried early with the pitching fails them, there is no fight in them at the plate that was there earlier in the season. Specifically during Luke Weaver's starts when the bats were carrying the team and the Reds were winning in spite of Weaver's poor pitching performances. CES has taken longer to adjust, no where near like McLain & EDLC.
 
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