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Today was Ashcraft's struggle with 7 runs. All 3 were going to have them and more than one. All part of the growing process. Less concerned about Ashcraft & Greene though. Have to go back 5 starts for a great one by Lodolo in the win 5 innings, 2 runs vs Philadelphia.
 
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Shoulder surgery has zapped him of his power but he looks really uncomfortable at bat. Maybe he's just slow to adjust and will eventually come around.
Definitely a serious injury has impacted his production especially with power. I read a lot about the Reds extending players and his name often comes up for obvious reasons. He will need to prove to be healthy and productive again before signing him to a long term extension.
 
17-4. Embarrassing way to lose a series at home to a terrible White Sox team with the Mets coming in. Scherzer Tuesday, Verlander Wednesday and Senga with his ghost forkball Thursday.
 
Time is quickly approaching that Reds have to make decisions about players, there's not enough room for everybody. My confidence in the FO to pull this off is low.

In the mean time, Greene/Lodolo need to step it up.
After today's pathetic performance it really shouldn't be that hard. There is room on this team for the deserving players that are ready so long as the FO has the gumption to pull it off. Infield, LF and the bullpen are the only areas with depth. Players like Fairchild, carry 2 catchers instead of 3, trade Myers, ditch Newman, Weaver. Neither Myers or Ramos are apart of the long term future. Cessa doesn't belong in the rotation but in the bullpen however they don't have enough ready arms in the minors to pull off replacing both Weaver & Cessa at the back end of the rotation while needing to skip starts to rest the Big 3.

Still maintain whoever between Barrero & Senzel shows the most versatility in the lineup and hit consistently needs to be the one kept. Can't keep both if they don't hit. Neither one's overall career numbers should make them feel comfortable about a long term roster spot in this franchise. Moving some of the names above would make the room for CES, EDLC, McLain, Hopkins & Abbott. It's a rebuilding year so 26 year olds like Hopkins deserve a call up.

Ready for hungry players that actually want to make it to Cincinnati than a bunch with their careers hanging on by a hope and a prayer.

 
Today was Ashcraft's struggle with 7 runs. All 3 were going to have them and more than one. All part of the growing process. Less concerned about Ashcraft & Greene though. Have to go back 5 starts for a great one by Lodolo in the win 5 innings, 2 runs vs Philadelphia.

Lodolo has been nothing short of horrible. Greene has yet to get past the 6th inning and his pitch count in relation to IP is terrible....he has to learn to "pitch" and realize that strikeouts are not the only way to get a hitter to go back the dugout.
 
After today's pathetic performance it really shouldn't be that hard. There is room on this team for the deserving players that are ready so long as the FO has the gumption to pull it off. Infield, LF and the bullpen are the only areas with depth. Players like Fairchild, carry 2 catchers instead of 3, trade Myers, ditch Newman, Weaver. Neither Myers or Ramos are apart of the long term future. Cessa doesn't belong in the rotation but in the bullpen however they don't have enough ready arms in the minors to pull off replacing both Weaver & Cessa at the back end of the rotation while needing to skip starts to rest the Big 3.

Still maintain whoever between Barrero & Senzel shows the most versatility in the lineup and hit consistently needs to be the one kept. Can't keep both if they don't hit. Neither one's overall career numbers should make them feel comfortable about a long term roster spot in this franchise. Moving some of the names above would make the room for CES, EDLC, McLain, Hopkins & Abbott. It's a rebuilding year so 26 year olds like Hopkins deserve a call up.

Ready for hungry players that actually want to make it to Cincinnati than a bunch with their careers hanging on by a hope and a prayer.

Barrero's 25, Senzel's 28. Barrero's worth keeping, ELDC forces him to CF. After Senzel's brief flash of success he's dropped off significantly hitting just .260 on his way to his more traditional .230s with no power. So far Reds haven't shown a rebuild, just a revamp of has beens, FO continues to drag their feet, development lags far behind.

The Big 3 pitchers are mired in the Terrible Twos. That's really a concern.
 
Barrero's 25, Senzel's 28. Barrero's worth keeping, ELDC forces him to CF. After Senzel's brief flash of success he's dropped off significantly hitting just .260 on his way to his more traditional .230s with no power. So far Reds haven't shown a rebuild, just a revamp of has beens, FO continues to drag their feet, development lags far behind.

The Big 3 pitchers are mired in the Terrible Twos. That's really a concern.
How is Barrero worth keeping more over Senzel? Jose hasn't done a damn thing in his career. We're now in that 6th week. It's time to shit or get off the pot making room for McLain. Not saying you're wrong about Senzel but be fair and objective to both. Jose hasn't even produced a fraction of the little Senzel has done and that's a damn problem. It's not worth keep throwing him out there waiting for the inevitable that won't happen. No wonder this franchise is in the shape it is in. The Reds won't be better off until they have a full outfield like they did in 2021 and move past both of the overall disappointments in Barrero & Senzel.
 
Lodolo has been nothing short of horrible. Greene has yet to get past the 6th inning and his pitch count in relation to IP is terrible....he has to learn to "pitch" and realize that strikeouts are not the only way to get a hitter to go back the dugout.
I don't expect a finished product from either at this stage in their career at the MLB level without growing pains along the way in the development process. That would be unrealistic. They still need to improve like any young pitcher and will. Not worried about either long term and each of these Big 3 are going to have clunkers. Greene with his 1.02 ERA in the 2nd half last year proves as much that he has it and glad the FO recognizes it. That's all that matters.

Even Castillo had moments past his rookie year it didn't look like he could pitch leading the NL in losses on an above .500 Reds team in 2021 but look at him now no longer in Cincinnati. With a young pitcher already with TJ surgery, I am just fine with Greene getting 6 innings right now and rest the young starters so they don't overwork them causing more arm injuries like we saw last year with less than a full season in MLB. Greene is never going to be a 'finesse pitcher' and people need to realize that.
 
Today was Ashcraft's struggle with 7 runs. All 3 were going to have them and more than one. All part of the growing process. Less concerned about Ashcraft & Greene though. Have to go back 5 starts for a great one by Lodolo in the win 5 innings, 2 runs vs Philadelphia.
Finally a really bad outing although the bullpen gave up 6 earned runs as well. An offense that can score 18 runs a game is hopefully coming soon. 🤣
 
How is Barrero worth keeping more over Senzel? Jose hasn't done a damn thing in his career. We're now in that 6th week. It's time to shit or get off the pot making room for McLain. Not saying you're wrong about Senzel but be fair and objective to both. Jose hasn't even produced a fraction of the little Senzel has done and that's a damn problem. It's not worth keep throwing him out there waiting for the inevitable that won't happen. No wonder this franchise is in the shape it is in. The Reds won't be better off until they have a full outfield like they did in 2021 and move past both of the overall disappointments in Barrero & Senzel.
Barrero has higher worth than Senzel because of his age, 25 vs 28, and the important positions he plays SS/CF. Those are key position to building any winner. That's not to say it's open ended, Barrero needs to reach his enormous potential NOW. As for Senzel, he was a Top 5 pick and being so he should be an All Star, a 25-30 HR guy with 80+ RBIs and a .280+ BA. He's not close to that and never will be. But the FO will stubbornly hold onto to him until FA because to dump him now would admit they failed in his eval/development.
 
Barrero has higher worth than Senzel because of his age, 25 vs 28, and the important positions he plays SS/CF. Those are key position to building any winner. That's not to say it's open ended, Barrero needs to reach his enormous potential NOW. As for Senzel, he was a Top 5 pick and being so he should be an All Star, a 25-30 HR guy with 80+ RBIs and a .280+ BA. He's not close to that and never will be. But the FO will stubbornly hold onto to him until FA because to dump him now would admit they failed in his eval/development.
Senzel a 25-30 HR guy? Expecting him to be a .310+ avg plus here, sure I agree. However his highest HR/RBI marks at any level was in 2017 with 14 HR & 65 RBIs. Barrero was also a Top 100 prospect and in the futures game with his career high in HR/RBI 19 HR & 66 RBIs in 2021 with the Lookouts & Bats.

Age makes no difference to me at this stage in their careers when neither one has been good. Has Senzel also not played CF? RF, 2B & 3B. Don't need him at SS with the depth in the pipeline coming up in fact need both out of the way there. So far it's only SS & CF at the MLB Level for Barrero so it tells me Senzel has be utilized in this lineup better than Jose with his flexibility. If Barrero can't play those positions, go back to Louisville like Senzel did after a couple of years, learn them to better help the team and learn to hit while at it.

Senzel in his 1st 350 ABs as a rookie 12 HRs, 42 RBIs, 14 SBs, 55 runs scored .256 AVG surpasses Jose's career numbers by a long shot.
Senzel career totals since 2019 140 runs, 23 HRs, 96 RBIs, 28 SBs, .242 avg.

Barrero career numbers since 2020 29 runs scored, 3 HRs, 26 RBIs, 9 SBs, and .183 career average.

I know everyone expected more from Senzel as a #1 pick and has been sorely a disappointment but it's not even remotely close compared to Jose Barrero. Both have dealt with injuries so that excuse is a wash.
 
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Senzel a 25-30 HR guy? Expecting him to be a A .310+ avg plus here, sure I agree. However his highest HR/RBI marks at any level was in 2017 with 14 HR & 65 RBIs. Barrero was also a Top 100 prospect and in the futures game. Age makes no difference to me at this stage in their careers when neither one has been good. Has Senzel also not played CF? RF, 2B & 3B. Don't need him at SS with the depth in the pipeline coming up in fact need both out of the way there. So far it's only SS & CF for Barrero so it tells me Senzel has be utilized in this lineup better than Jose with his flexibility. If Barrero can't play those positions, go back to Louisville like Senzel did after a couple of years.

Senzel in his 1st 350 ABs as a rookie 12 HRs, 42 RBIs, 14 SBs, 55 runs scored .256 AVG surpasses Jose's career numbers by a long shot.
Senzel career totals since 2019 140 runs, 23 HRs, 96 RBIs, 28 SBs, .242 avg.

Barrero career numbers since 2020 29 runs scored, 3 HRs, 26 RBIs, 9 SBs, and .183 career average.

I know everyone expected more from Senzel as a #1 pick and has been sorely a disappointment but it's not even remotely close compared to Jose Barrero. Both have dealt with injuries so that excuse is a wash.
It's not too much to expect a Top 5 pick to be a 25-30 HR guy(it needs to dawn on this FO that GABP is a tiny, bandbox park...team needs HR hitters, not a bunch of singles guys). And that Senzel played CF doesn't mean he was good at. He continually took poor angles on balls, missed cutoff men and threw to wrong bases. There's a reason he no longer plays CF. Pickler did an extremely poor job preparing him but OF D has been a problem for several years under Pickler.

BTW, this is all just my opinion...I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just how I feel based on what I see. Bottom line is Reds had a 100 loss season that both players contributed to in a negative way and both should be on a very short leash but, as I said, to dump Senzel now would admit multiple FO mistakes. FO would rather lose games than admit those mistakes.
 
It's not too much to expect a Top 5 pick to be a 25-30 HR guy(it needs to dawn on this FO that GABP is a tiny, bandbox park...team needs HR hitters, not a bunch of singles guys). And that Senzel played CF doesn't mean he was good at. He continually took poor angles on balls, missed cutoff men and threw to wrong bases. There's a reason he no longer plays CF. Pickler did an extremely poor job preparing him but OF D has been a problem for several years under Pickler.

BTW, this is all just my opinion...I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just how I feel based on what I see. Bottom line is Reds had a 100 loss season that both players contributed to in a negative way and both should be on a very short leash but, as I said, to dump Senzel now would admit multiple FO mistakes. FO would rather lose games than admit those mistakes.
You have to realize that not every Top 5 pick is going to fit the same mold and be a power hitter just because that's where a team selects them. One of the greatest Reds of all-time, Barry Larkin a 4th overall pick hit 20 or more home runs only twice in his career. Derek Jeter 3 years of 20 or more home runs. Brandon Phillips made the All-Star team with 18 home runs 3 times and ranked 13 in MVP votes with 18 for a 4th time. BP in 2010 as an AS 18 HR & 59 RBIs. The park doesn't make you a power hitter all of a sudden if that is not your game already. As I've previously stated in the last post, Barrero showed more power in 2021 with 19 HR & 66 RBIs with ZERO home runs at Great American Ballpark. Enrique Bradfield will be another one in this upcoming MLB Draft most likely a 1st Rounder that will not hit for those kind of power numbers.

We don't know that Barrero is going to be a good CF either. My guess is seeing as to how they scrapped the plan after 2021, rarely using him since then until this year they may know more about his potential as an outfielder than any of us at home why the Reds continue to give Senzel starts in CF over Barrero the past couple of years. I do think it's fair to give Jose more of a chance in the outfield but at the expense of burying prospects, it may be best to move on from the idea of both of these guys as starters in Cincinnati. Like I've said many times, whoever shows the most position versatility and can consistently hit should be kept. Both are better off in another franchise that has a place for them. They've had their chances here. IMO if it's down to just one, the decision isn't even close. Keep Senzel, ditch Barrero.
 
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You have to realize that not every Top 5 pick is going to fit the same mold and be a power hitter just because that's where a team selects them. One of the greatest Reds of all-time, Barry Larkin a 4th overall pick hit 20 or more home runs only twice in his career. Derek Jeter 3 years of 20 or more home runs. Brandon Phillips made the All-Star team with 18 home runs 3 times and ranked 13 in MVP votes with 18 for a 4th time. BP in 2010 as an AS 18 HR & 59 RBIs. The park doesn't make you a power hitter all of a sudden if that is not your game already. As I've previously stated in the last post, Barrero showed more power in 2021 with 19 HR & 66 RBIs with ZERO home runs at Great American Ballpark. Enrique Bradfield will be another one in this upcoming MLB Draft most likely a 1st Rounder that will not hit for those kind of power numbers.

We don't know that Barrero is going to be a good CF either. My guess is seeing as to how they scrapped the plan after 2021, rarely using him since then until this year they may know more about his potential as an outfielder than any of us at home why the Reds continue to give Senzel starts in CF over Barrero the past couple of years. I do think it's fair to give Jose more of a chance in the outfield but at the expense of burying prospects, it may be best to move on from the idea of both of these guys as starters in Cincinnati. Like I've said many times, whoever shows the most position versatility and can consistently hit should be kept. Both are better off in another franchise that has a place for them. They've had their chances here. IMO if it's down to just one, the decision isn't even close. Keep Senzel, ditch Barrero.
Really have no doubt you're right, this FO will sink or swim with Senzel. He and his .250 BA is already taking up ABs from younger guys. Maybe the Reds will trade MM/CES for some 35 y/o OF type.
 
Really have no doubt you're right, this FO will sink or swim with Senzel. He and his .250 BA is already taking up ABs from younger guys. Maybe the Reds will trade MM/CES for some 35 y/o OF type.
Yeah that's ridiculous and not going to happen. Better chance of them debuting before the trade deadline than being traded themselves for an over the hill player.
 
Finally a really bad outing although the bullpen gave up 6 earned runs as well. An offense that can score 18 runs a game is hopefully coming soon. 🤣
Typically how it goes once a starter gets chased and the game out of hand early on with the defeated mindset of this team knowing they weren't coming back. Sanmartin & Legumina roughed up and knowing this incompetent offense outside of the Rangers series has shown they are incapable from coming back from huge deficits. Young, Farmer and even Cessa did well in a role in relief that better suits him. Sad to have to use Maile again but got through it.

Overall both Ashcraft & the bullpen have been strengths and will bounce back from this but this was a terrible series by the Reds. With the schedule getting tougher, they needed to win this series. A sweep would have been nice. Cincinnati needs to get rid of the dead weight in the lineup and make room for the future. 2024 doesn't have to be as bad so long as the usual prospects we go on and on about get up here in time. Many organizations would have already bit the bullet to call up at least McLain & CES. I get the argument EDLC needs to be more patient at the plate but so ready to see him at GABP this year!
 
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You have to realize that not every Top 5 pick is going to fit the same mold and be a power hitter just because that's where a team selects them. One of the greatest Reds of all-time, Barry Larkin a 4th overall pick hit 20 or more home runs only twice in his career. Derek Jeter 3 years of 20 or more home runs. Brandon Phillips made the All-Star team with 18 home runs 3 times and ranked 13 in MVP votes with 18 for a 4th time. BP in 2010 as an AS 18 HR & 59 RBIs. The park doesn't make you a power hitter all of a sudden if that is not your game already. As I've previously stated in the last post, Barrero showed more power in 2021 with 19 HR & 66 RBIs with ZERO home runs at Great American Ballpark. Enrique Bradfield will be another one in this upcoming MLB Draft most likely a 1st Rounder that will not hit for those kind of power numbers.

We don't know that Barrero is going to be a good CF either. My guess is seeing as to how they scrapped the plan after 2021, rarely using him since then until this year they may know more about his potential as an outfielder than any of us at home why the Reds continue to give Senzel starts in CF over Barrero the past couple of years. I do think it's fair to give Jose more of a chance in the outfield but at the expense of burying prospects, it may be best to move on from the idea of both of these guys as starters in Cincinnati. Like I've said many times, whoever shows the most position versatility and can consistently hit should be kept. Both are better off in another franchise that has a place for them. They've had their chances here. IMO if it's down to just one, the decision isn't even close. Keep Senzel, ditch Barrero.
I don’t understand keeping either Senzel or Barerro past this season. Maybe Senzel can put together a decent half season to merit a prospect or two at the trade deadline. I just don’t see where there’s room. Would be a bad look to move India being a clubhouse and fan favorite as well as a team leader. What happens to Steer, when EDLC, McClain and CES all arrive? And Marte is nipping at some heels to get up there as well. I think Fraley is earning a spot here longer term as well.

Seriously speaking. If they called up the big 3 from Louisville tomorrow and put them all in the lineup somewhere. Are they a .500 team assuming those guys can produce at even 80% of what they’re doing in AAA?

And what the hell is up with Votto? Really quiet on his rehab, the last update on the Reds website was April 20. That’s ridiculous.
 
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I don’t understand keeping either Senzel or Barerro past this season. Maybe Senzel can put together a decent half season to merit a prospect or two at the trade deadline. I just don’t see where there’s room. Would be a bad look to move India being a clubhouse and fan favorite as well as a team leader. What happens to Steer, when EDLC, McClain and CES all arrive? And Marte is nipping at some heels to get up there as well. I think Fraley is earning a spot here longer term as well.

Seriously speaking. If they called up the big 3 from Louisville tomorrow and put them all in the lineup somewhere. Are they a .500 team assuming those guys can produce at even 80% of what they’re doing in AAA?

And what the hell is up with Votto? Really quiet on his rehab, the last update on the Reds website was April 20. That’s ridiculous.
I agree on both Barrero and Senzel needing to move on and don't think either will be satisfied with a super utility role here. Also agree it would be foolish to move the best hitter in the lineup and a great leader like India. Need to give him a break. Don't understand why people want him gone but give chance after chance to Barrero who has done practically nothing. All I'm saying if you are going to be critical of certain players, be fair in your criticism to the other who is killing this team as well. The Reds are not in this position because of one draft pick in Senzel being a bust. Cincinnati will not get any decent prospects for those 2, that ship has sailed. If there's a reason you don't want a certain player on your team, don't you think the rest of the front offices across MLB are smart enough to figure out the same thing too?

Who knows with Votto. Saw an article on the Enquirer but not a subscriber. Don't know what was said. As far as I'm concerned, not even in the plan right now and if/when he comes back leave him at DH.

I'm not sure why some people think Spencer Steer is going to ultimately be the one out of a position when he was as much a heralded prospect ranked in the Top 100 just like the McLains, EDLCs so forth everyone wants to see. Someone will be getting traded and the sooner you move on from Barrero & Senzel, the better to make room for them. Certainly on paper we don't know how they plan to fit all of the infielders in the lineup on a daily basis but I highly doubt Cincinnati keeps them all. Talking about trading prospects, those are the players teams want that still in the minors. Not the deadweight Senzel & Barrero. I have been big on Fraley since he came off the IL last July however his spot really isn't in jeopardy with the holes in the outfield in this organization. Friedl has won me back over too.

As far as your point about calling up the Big 3 in Louisville, call them up and lets find out. It's just mere speculation to say what any of them can or can't do before even stepping foot into GABP. People need to be patient and expecting them to get a 100 loss season back into the playoff picture immediately is unrealistic. They'll be lucky to make a push to .500 in 2024 with all 3. Realistically, 2025 after these guys get some real experience.
 
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Seriously speaking. If they called up the big 3 from Louisville tomorrow and put them all in the lineup somewhere. Are they a .500 team assuming those guys can produce at even 80% of what they’re doing in AAA?
The Reds have to call them up at some point to start building towards .500. I don't know about you but 80% production of the "Big 3" would be a welcomed sight on this Cincinnati team going on the assumption most players numbers are going to drop going from AAA to MLB playing against the best of the best. Outside of India/Friedl not even getting 50% from the majority of the roster. So call them up and stop delaying the future because Cincinnati sure is playing a lot of guys who don't belong in the Majors period!
 
LOL! Reds creating excuses for not calling up CES. According to some other Reds sites, FO is concerned about his D even tho that didn't prevent them from trading for him last year. And complain about his low walk total. Don't worry about walks when the guy's hitting 450 foot HRs. Don't think there's ever been a FO as incompetent as the current Reds FO.
 
Modest moves today, 5/9. Cessa rewarded for taking one for the team by being DFAed. San Martin to IL, called up Hegret/Lively. Reynolds outrighted to AAA.

Think they're getting ready to dump Barrero. Not in lineup Tuesday, recent routine is to play a day, set a day, play a day set 2 days, play 2 days and set a day. Hardly conducive to building/keeping ones batting eye but amazingly he has had modest success of late..... but Newman's the SS tonight.
 
Modest moves today, 5/9. Cessa rewarded for taking one for the team by being DFAed. San Martin to IL, called up Hegret/Lively. Reynolds outrighted to AAA.

Think they're getting ready to dump Barrero. Not in lineup Tuesday, recent routine is to play a day, set a day, play a day set 2 days, play 2 days and set a day. Hardly conducive to building/keeping ones batting eye but amazingly he has had modest success of late..... but Newman's the SS tonight.
I'm stunned they're not at least keeping him in the bullpen. Some team will scoop him up in the role he had coming here and like he had in New York, middle relief with occasional spot starts and do well. I don't like this move especially with the timing of Sanmartin going down. Easy to clown him for some bad games but by and large he was decent for the Reds. Herget was good in his time earlier this season. Lively has pitched only 1 game in MLB since 2018. Meanwhile Abbott still in AAA, doesn't need to be there much longer at his pace.
 
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David Bell must be employing the old Billy Martin approach to the batting order drawing your name out of a cap to be having Nick Senzel batting second and TJ Friedl 8th?
 
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LOL! Reds creating excuses for not calling up CES. According to some other Reds sites, FO is concerned about his D even tho that didn't prevent them from trading for him last year. And complain about his low walk total. Don't worry about walks when the guy's hitting 450 foot HRs. Don't think there's ever been a FO as incompetent as the current Reds FO.
Nobody told them the NL has the DH now. 🤣
 
This umpire behind the plate in the Reds Mets game tonight is by far the worst I have seen in many many years. He is calling pitches a foot outside a strike. How does a guy like this get a job as an umpire?
 
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Albeit limited ABs as a 3rd string catcher, it was a pleasant surprise to see Maile hitting .296. Weaver had a good start going until some trouble in the 7th. Friedl strikes again with an RBI triple, he goes all out every single game.
 
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This umpire behind the plate in the Reds Mets game tonight is by far the worst I have seen in many many years. He is calling pitches a foot outside a strike. How does a guy like this get a job as an umpire?
But such a fun game as it turns out. Buck Showalter might disagree though. 🤣 🍻
 
EDLC - Tonight for Louisville he was three for four, two home runs and a double, got his average all the way up to .284 after starting one for 22.
 
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