I had no idea UK and UL played a basketball game until it was over.
Recruiting reality
- Thread starter BlueBomb
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Kentucky's portal class was ranked 7th nationally, 2nd in the SEC next only to Ole Miss at 3. IMO the portal class is at least as important as the high school class for a couple of reasons. First on average about half of HS recruits never make a significant contribution, and second you are only guaranteed to have them for one year anyway.
Me either.
Watched a 5 minute replay.
We won by 19, but we’re up by 25-30 earlier.
Lots of Blue in that KFC place!!
Are you seriously stating Ohio does not produce top college Football players? We don't get the best recruits in Ohio. They go to OSU and Michigan. We get some of the rest. UK just needs to continue recruting deeper in Ohio.
You can't compare Ohio and Kentucky High School football any more than you can compare UK and OSU Football.
I'm stating Jim Harbaugh started satellite camps in the south for a reason...and now he's in the play offs.
Urban turned OSU around for one reason and one reason only, he had strong SEC recruiting ties and knew he needed to hit them hard.
I don't want next tier down Ohio kids...If we're going to get next tier down kids, and our classes are going to be primarily 3 stars maybe half dozen 4-star kids I'd rather them be Texas, GA, Florida, California kids who would probably be upper tier stars in Ohio.
The pitch in Ohio is play in the SEC and stay close to home. That pitch doesn’t work in GeorgiaFlorida, etc. That’s why we are stronger in Ohio than we are in Ga, Fl, etc. Even though Fla and Ga have better recruits overall than Ohio, we can get better kids out of Ohio than we can Deep South, Tex, Cal.
Damn.
I just counted 35 players on the Michigan roster from the South (including Missouri, Texas, Virginia, Georgia, Tennessee, North and South Carolina, Louisiana and Florida . . . a couple more of you count Maryland and DC.).
Damn.
Georgia ain't that far away. Top half of Florida is a day's drive, bottom half maybe day and half.
Thanks to NIL ma and pa can fly and stay in a nice hotel now...for free
Petrino did a decent job at getting southern talent to UL...I would have settled for Lamar Jackson's back up.
Ole Teddy found a way to get to UL too...would have also taken his back up. Bench warmer at Miami Northwestern would set records and Cincinatti Muller or Youngstown high.
Yes. Georgia and Florida aren’t that far away. The point is there are 9 other SEC schools closer than Kentucky from those places.
Not gonna pick a fight with anyone, but can a basketball first guy explain this? With all the NBA players UK has put into the league, how can this coach have won only one championship?🤔
No. False. UL has never been a recruiting power getting talent who turn down SEC schools and never will be. Lamar was a 3 star athlete who nobody in the SEC would give him a scholarship as a QB.
Yeah, that's the harsh reality. To get SEC talent this staff has to convince kids to pass by schools closer to home with much more historical tradition and money to choose Kentucky. Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida....all the same story.
Nobody said UL was a recruiting power getting talent who turned down SEC schools. I said Petrino did a decent job recruiting southern talent.
Lamar is the perfect example of what I'm talking about. Petrino's teams had a handful of kids like that. 3 star guys from southern territories who may not be getting serious sniffs from bigger programs, but they were legit. Fast, freak athletes turned out to be good players.
I think the pitch isn't as hard as most folks think. "Hey kid you might not play a whole lot at FSU, UGA, UF..."
That's basically what Dabo did.
Even more than a "pitch" I think it's more of a decision to intentionally focus on recruiting certain areas.
CMS day 1 prioritized Ohio and home state talent. I think he could very easily reshape the recruiting philosophy, ask Mitch for a recruiting budget bump, and really hit the southern territories.
Lamar was a solid 4 Star on Rivals, 17th at his position in the nation with reported offers from Clemson, FSU and 4 SEC schools, including Auburn.
He does hit the southern territories. He hits Kentucky and Tenneesee hard, Alabama was giving us a few good players there for a good while too.
I think he is right, no program recruits the top kids in Ga harder than OSU. In their 24 class only 7 are from Ohio. Not sure why, maybe it's the HS coaching, weather, I don't know. UGA signed a huge class, 28, all but 7 were from warm weather but 1 and one of those is a kicker.
Agree. According to this site, here are some numbers:
2002 (Morriss) 94th nationally/14th in SEC
2003-2009 (Brooks) average 53rd/12th, best was 2006 (36th) nationally and 2004 (10th) for SEC
2010-2012 (Phillips) average 58th/13th, best was 2010 (50th and 13th)
2013-2024 (Stoops) average 26th/10th, best was 2022 (13th and 5th)
That's all some of us have been saying.... is figure it out. We've been doing this for 11 years now....Sooooooo....
Compression is a great description. The problem with compression is it creates combustion too and that show how much pressure there is to keep up even at the level we have. Let up for one minute and we’re Vandy.
Gotta score points. We can't expect to shutdown everyone and win 20 to 14 or something. We need to hit on a qb so that if we need to score 45 to win... it's possible.
Lamar came in during the clint hurt payola year. They loaded some guys that off season.
No, Hurtt bought in Teddy Bridgewater to be qb for Charlie Strong
Lamar Jackson prime recruiter was Lamar Thomas, for Petrino
Lol.
Wish it was that easy.
I’d rather have Stoops paid Top 10, recruiting at about 20th, than have his predecessors paid at about 30th and signing classes ranked in the 50’s.
Maybe it does. You could pay a coach at Kennesaw State a $billion/year and they still won’t recruit with Georgia no matter how good of a recruiter they are.
Yeah that’s right. He was the last band aid holding it together after that prior group moved out
If that’s true then it could be said the same on the flip side. It’s fairly obvious at this point that being in the sec puts you about top 30 at all schools by default but the lone bastion of academic requirements Vandy who finished 38. So giving him undue level of credit doesn’t seem to make much sense either.
Oh it does huh. All 16 of us can put it on autopilot and be top 30? Don't spend on coaches or facilities or NIL? cash the ESPN check and save it for a rainy day?
You have no proof of that.
Yes, most SEC Schools benefit from mere proximity to talent.
LSU’s Coaches could recruit on an E-Bike.
We’ve held serve, to an extent, promising what most others cannot: coaching stability.
And paying Stoops and his assistants well has been a big part of that selling point.
Would we recruit the 30th ranked class with simply no effort?
Nice try!! Most of our talent has to cross a state line or two.
It is insanely hard to win a 6 game win or go home tournament. There's 68 teams, and you're probably getting at least the top 50 best teams plus some outliers. An injury to a key player, bad reffing/foul trouble, running into a red hot shooting team or being ice cold yourself, or even just a bad matchup can end your season.
A lot of those NBA guys weren't exactly at that level in their one year of college. Bam Adebayo was really good, but he wasn't what he is now. We've still underperformed with the talent we get.
But it's very common to see the best team go home early in March. There's a huge luck component of it. There's a reason the blue bloods have only won it all anywhere from 5-11 times total. And many of those wins were when the tournament wasn't as crowded. And all of those blue bloods have some really embarrassing, unexplainable losses. It's the nature of the sport.
Joker basically proved you couldn't recruit a 30th ranked class with no effort at Kentucky.
Stoops has the most talent deficient local recruiting base of any SEC coach.
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