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Records never to be broken

It was 37 years after Affirmed before American Pharaoh won the next Triple Crown, and while that probably qualifies him as a "superhorse", the thing to keep in mind about Secretariat is that in winning his Triple Crown 51 years ago, he broke the records in all three races and they all still stand. The second thru eighth fastest times in the Belmont Stakes are all within 0.86 seconds of each other, from 2:26.00 (Easy Goer) and 2:26.86 (Tabasco Cat), while Secretariat is two full seconds faster - an eternity in a horse race, which is why I included his 2:24.0 time in my opening list.

This. The veterinarian who performed Secretariat’s necropsy estimated that his heart weighed about 22 pounds. The average horse’s heart is 8.5 pounds. People talk about Wilt or certain other athletes being freaks, but Secretariat was truly a freak of nature.
 
Not a fan of his, not a hater, either, but I have a hard time believing anyone will ever break LeBron's all time scoring record. His longevity is something we will never see again. Averaging 25/8/7 at age forty.

Someone would have to average 25 points a game for 20 years, and that is to get to 41000. Odds are, LeBron will clear that next season pretty easily. Also keep in mind, this is assuming that said player plays all 82 games each of those 20 seasons. You can't even start in the league until you're 19 right now.

I don't see it happening in my lifetime.
 
Sorry Nap.... In 1943, Josh Gibson had a 466 batting average that year is now the highest mark in Major League history. just like that, an unbreakable is broken.
I gave you a "LIKE"...because Josh may be the greatest.

But his record was in the "Negro League", right?
Sad to say that...because I detest Racial Bigotry.
 
Bobby Fischer the American chess king and Franklin Delano Roosevelt elected 4 consecutive terms will 100% never be broken
 
Emanuel Lasker was the reigning world chess champion from 1894 to 1921
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Bobby Fischer the American chess king and Franklin Delano Roosevelt elected 4 consecutive terms will 100% never be broken
FDR is like Bob Gibson: they changed the rules because of him.

There might be another American #1 chess master. Probably not, though.

Until they do away with the 3 point shot, nobody can break Maravich's scoring record: it's a different game with the 3 point shot. It just has the same name.
 
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FDR is like Bob Gibson: they changed the rules because of him.

There might be another American #1 chess master. Probably not, though.

Until they do away with the 3 point shot, nobody can break Maravich's scoring record: it's a different game with the 3 point shot. It just has the same name.
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FDR is like Bob Gibson: they changed the rules because of him.

There might be another American #1 chess master. Probably not, though.

Until they do away with the 3 point shot, nobody can break Maravich's scoring record: it's a different game with the 3 point shot. It just has the same name.
The record that won't be beaten is Bobby's streak of 20 consecutive tournament wins without a draw against international grandmasters
 
The record that won't be beaten is Bobby's streak of 20 consecutive tournament wins without a draw against international grandmasters
You're probably right.

Computer chess has diminished the game. It's a game of memory as much as imagination now.
 
It was 37 years after Affirmed before American Pharaoh won the next Triple Crown, and while that probably qualifies him as a "superhorse", the thing to keep in mind about Secretariat is that in winning his Triple Crown 51 years ago, he broke the records in all three races and they all still stand. The second thru eighth fastest times in the Belmont Stakes are all within 0.86 seconds of each other, from 2:26.00 (Easy Goer) and 2:26.86 (Tabasco Cat), while Secretariat is two full seconds faster - an eternity in a horse race, which is why I included his 2:24.0 time in my opening list.
Sham, the runner up to Secretariat in the Derby, recorded the second fastest time in Derby History. They both finished in under two minutes. Sham was a pretty remarkable horse in his own right and could have been great had he not been overshadowed by Secretariat. Unfortunately his career ended after that Belmont race.
 
You're probably right.

Computer chess has diminished the game. It's a game of memory as much as imagination now.
Which is why Bobby invented Chess960 - to eliminate the advantage of rote memorization of openings and put the emphasis back on tactical analytical skill. It hasn't replaced Chess yet, but there is an FIDE sanctioned world championship.

Chess, Checkers, Othello, even Go have all been mastered by computers - al least in the sense than no human can beat the best programs. What they have in common is they are all perfect information games (ie, both or all players know everything about the state of the game). The same is not true of incomplete information games. Humans still mop the floor with computers in Contract Bridge and Stratego.
 
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You are right!! But I was kind of right too.

"But in the 1930s and '40s, Gibson was also racking up hits in the Negro Leagues. He even posted a career-best .466 batting average for the Homestead Grays in 1943."

However this year, 2024, MLB added Gibson's stats to the MLB record book!
And that is very, very cool.

It gets better: He supplanted Ty Cobb from #1. And (I LOVE THIS) Cobb's great-grandson Tyrus applauded the idea!! That makes this old geezer smile.
 
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I was about to say Novak Djokovic's grand slam record, whatever it ends up at, but it looks like Alcaraz might be the next guy. Hell, I thought Sampras at 14 was a done deal.
 
Sham, the runner up to Secretariat in the Derby, recorded the second fastest time in Derby History. They both finished in under two minutes. Sham was a pretty remarkable horse in his own right and could have been great had he not been overshadowed by Secretariat. Unfortunately his career ended after that Belmont race.
Yeah. Sham was running well in the Belmont until about a half mile to go. Then, it's like the horse just said, "F T S" and just walked it in. That margin of victory was as impressive as the time. It's a myth that Secretariat's quarter miles improved as the race went on, but his 2nd quarter was faster than his first. Which is still impressive. There's also a myth that he was a dud in the breeding shed. What he did, though, was sire great mares.
 
Yeah. Sham was running well in the Belmont until about a half mile to go. Then, it's like the horse just said, "F T S" and just walked it in. That margin of victory was as impressive as the time. It's a myth that Secretariat's quarter miles improved as the race went on, but his 2nd quarter was faster than his first. Which is still impressive. There's also a myth that he was a dud in the breeding shed. What he did, though, was sire great mares.
It’s not myth, but the race is the Kentucky Derby, not the Belmont Stakes. Secretariat’s successive quarter mile splits in the Derby were 25-2/5, 24, 23-4/5, 23-2/5 and the last in 23 flat. He was accelerating throughout the entire race.
 
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It’s not myth, but the race is the Kentucky Derby, not the Belmont Stakes. Secretariat’s successive quarter mile splits in the Derby were 25-2/5, 24, 23-4/5, 23-2/5 and the last in 23 flat. He was accelerating throughout the entire race.
wiki says 23 3/5, 22 3/5, 23 3/5, 24 2/5, 24 4/5, 25

Total 2:24
 
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I said Lou's would never be broken before Rupken played his first game.
I don't think Cal's will be but it's definitely not unbreakable
It is in today’s game. Completely different than it was 20 years ago. A player would have to play over 16 seasons without missing a game. I just don’t see it with how careful teams are with injuries and such. It isn’t like it was before where you played through bumps and bruises.
 
Not a fan of his, not a hater, either, but I have a hard time believing anyone will ever break LeBron's all time scoring record. His longevity is something we will never see again. Averaging 25/8/7 at age forty.

Someone would have to average 25 points a game for 20 years, and that is to get to 41000. Odds are, LeBron will clear that next season pretty easily. Also keep in mind, this is assuming that said player plays all 82 games each of those 20 seasons. You can't even start in the league until you're 19 right now.

I don't see it happening in my lifetime.
Just wait until we add the 10 point shot, because more scoring is wanted.
 
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It is in today’s game. Completely different than it was 20 years ago. A player would have to play over 16 seasons without missing a game. I just don’t see it with how careful teams are with injuries and such. It isn’t like it was before where you played through bumps and bruises.
Oh I agree 100%. But I still don't think it's impossible that a player would come along a break it. 1% chance.
But IMO 0% Chance of anyone breaking Cy Young's records.
I highly doubt any of the records mentioned in this thread will be broken.
But I still say Cy's are the most unbreakable records in all of sports.
 
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The thread on Wilt Chamberlain got me to thinking about this. Nominate your choice for a sports record unlikely to broken in the lifetime of any of our posters

I'll start it of with these five (and in rough order of just my opinion of their unbreakability)

.426 single season MLB batting average (post 1900) - Nap Lajoie
11 consecutive PGA wins - Byron Nelson
2,857 NHL goals - Wayne Gretzky
2:24 for a mile-and-a-half - Secretariat
100 points in a single NBA game - Wilt Chamberlain

Also, speak up if you think any of these are not as untouchable as I think they are.
Alex Ovechkin is approaching Gretsky's goals number. He surpassed Howe this past season. Nowhere close to that total points mark, though.
 
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I was about to say Novak Djokovic's grand slam record, whatever it ends up at, but it looks like Alcaraz might be the next guy. Hell, I thought Sampras at 14 was a done deal.
It seems like these tennis players before they are 30 get some kind of injury that kills their career. Alcaraz and Sinner have already started with the injuries. That is the real reason Novak has so many record, he has until this year been a physical specimen
 
Alex Ovechkin is approaching Gretsky's goals number. He surpassed Howe this past season. Nowhere close to that total points mark, though.
You beat me to this. I wouldn’t go so far as to say Ovechkin is guaranteed to break the record because he’s at the age now where sudden declines aren’t unheard of, and a serious injury could prove career ending. I’d say he currently looks to have a good shot at it though. He’s only 41 short of Gretzky and has scored 50, 42, and 31 in his last 3 seasons. If he can maintain anything like that pace, he only needs to stick around for another season and a half or so.

For truly unbreakable records, I’d say any of Cy Young’s durability marks. 815 games started, 749 complete games, and 7,356 innings pitched. The game has evolved so much towards a combination of managing workloads and bullpen specialization that we’ll never see anyone even get reasonably close to those numbers.
 
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As unlikely as it is for any basketball player to score 100 points or a horse to break Secretariat's record it just takes one more freak having the best day of their life and it's possible. I think the ones that are unbreakable because of changes in the sport. For instance, nobody in baseball is ever going to hit .430 or better and nobody is ever going to break Cy Young's win total records. How many times has a pitcher gotten 25 wins in a season in the last 50 years? Do it 20 years in a row and you'll be near Young's win total.
 
Seriously doubt Greg Maddux record of winning 15 games or more for 17 consecutive seasons will ever be broken. His 18 gold gloves also seems safe given the nature of today's MLB. BRET FARVES 321 consecutive NFL starts will not be broke n either
 
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As unlikely as it is for any basketball player to score 100 points or a horse to break Secretariat's record it just takes one more freak having the best day of their life and it's possible.
You’re right of course. I titled the thread as “never to be broken “ but in the body of the opening post, I did qualify it by asking for records “unlikely to broken” in our lifetimes.
 
Nobody will ever beat LeBron and Bronny's record of most career points by a father and son duo.
 
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Yep. Crazy that in 2022 (that's the most up to date one I saw), only 2 players in all of MLB played every game.
They said for decades that Gehrig's record couldn't be broken. Now baseball's records are frozen because of all the rules changes. Extra inning free runner is ridiculous. If he scores, the hitter gets an rbi which never would have happened before the rule change. So we can't compare rbi before/since. We will have fewer pick offs because of disengagement rules. It's communism.
 
Your total for Gretzky is his points, not goals, and that record is unassailable.

Ovechkin is going to break 99’s goals record, though.
 
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