Quit the whining please!

[ukcatfaninsc]

The refs did not cost UK this game. We had a chance to win at the end of regulation and had a miscue. Our bigs had a hard time defending without fouling tonight. I know it's tough to lose a close game we had a chance to win but you really make yourself look petty when you whine about the officials. It was a great game and we saw that the Cats have a great chance to be right there at the end in march. GBB!

 

[Bill - Shy Cat]

If the whistle had not been so lopsided, the miscue by Murray at end of game would have been meaningless.

 

[BigBlueCatNation]

Please stop. I realize you're just trying to mitigate the madness here, but it's just not working. Kentucky got out reffed this game and it was so blatant that even Jay Williams from ESPN said it.....

 

[catben]

Yes we had our chances to win, but 46 to 22 is hard to overcome in a hostile environment.
It's not "whining" when it's the truth!

 

[Dreklie]

Man shut up, 17 free throws to 0 in the last 10 minutes, 25+ more free throws, 3 guys fouled out? none for KU, just shut up.

 

[FishersBlue]

Stop. That FT disparity is just insane. No justification for it.

 

[ukcatfaninsc]

The whistle may have been lopsided, for me it is hard to say objectively due to blue tinted glasses. However, it's not like we didn't have chances. Lee deserved every foul he got as did Skal. It did seem like KU got more leeway on the defensive end but we still could have won.

 

[runt#69]

I can't find it anywhere, but has any opponent in the entire history of UK games shot MORE than the free throws KU did tonight? I tried looking it up and failed. The closest I could come to was the 43-19 disparity we had at Vandy in 1993.

Anyone?

 

[LmdCat]

If the whistle had not been so lopsided, the miscue by Murray at end of game would have been meaningless.

Murray's miscue as you labeled it didn't make Ulis turn the ball over. KU was going to pinch in on Ulis no matter what Murray did because it was the high percentage thing to do. Meaning, Ulis had a much greater chance of making that layup than Murray hitting the 3.

If you don't think the lopsided officiating didn't determine the outcome, you are either blind or a KU fan.

 

[Ugoff]

Funny how these low post count people just crawl out of the woodwork after a loss.

 

[wcc31]

The refs did not cost UK this game.!

False.

And stop preaching.

 

[deplion]

I'm not mad, but it is sad that officiating is so poor across the country.

I expected to get screwed by the officials. We did. Just like pretty much every team that ever walks into their gym.

The good news is we only get it once every couple of decades. Imagine if you were a fan of KSU or UT and got it every single year.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Einsteins like the OP would say the same thing if the disparity was 55 to 2. They pride themselves on never blaming the refs. Tell me this. Did officiating cost the USA a gold medal in 1972? Of course, so just shut up.

 

[Bill - Shy Cat]

Murray's miscue as you labeled it didn't make Ulis turn the ball over. KU was going to pinch in on Ulis no matter what Murray did because it was the high percentage thing to do. Meaning, Ulis had a much greater chance of making that layup than Murray hitting the 3.

Noted. I was relying on Ulis' reaction to Murray not moving. I suppose that Ulis could have been shifting the blame. However, that doesn't appear to be his style.

 

[ukwazoo]

Man shut up, 17 free throws to 0 in the last 10 minutes, 25+ more free throws, 3 guys fouled out? none for KU, just shut up.

I thought we had four guys foul out. Skal, Willis, Lee, Poythress.

 

[Woodrow_Call_1998]

Did the OP even watch the ball game?! The damn statistics speak for themselves.

 

[The_Answer1313]

Just because there's a disparity in free throws doesn't mean anything.

Do people ever on this board say ANYTHING about the refs when UK has the huge disparity in their favor?

I wish the blaming ref people would at least be consistent.

So if it's 50-20 in KU's favor = refs fault.
If it's 50-20 in UK's favor = refs are fine.

Disparity means nothing. But if your gonna point to it as evidence the refs are for certain teams then do the same exact thing when it's in our favor too.

 

[ukwazoo]

I can't find it anywhere, but has any opponent in the entire history of UK games shot MORE than the free throws KU did tonight? I tried looking it up and failed. The closest I could come to was the 43-19 disparity we had at Vandy in 1993.

Anyone?

Excellent question. Even the 1997 title game didn't have that many. That game was so awfully reffed I would have quit watching basketball if I could have made myself.

 

[runt#69]

Kentucky at Tennessee
- Tuesday, January 21 1992 -

Vols shot 59 free throws and UK 33.

Only game I could find where there was more than the Vandy debaucle here in nashville in 1993 for free throws and disparity in such.

Brings back bad memories. BAD.

No, bad officiating isn't just an excuse, it's a reality and it happens, like tonight.

For those young fans or trolls or whatever arguing the absolutely pathetic way in which this game was called, just stick with UK and you'll eventually live long enough (hopefully or not, as the case may be) to witness these kinds of things as I have over my 40 years as a UK fan.

just sayin'.

 

[dave5164]

This is Kansas basketball in AFH. This is how they remain Big 12 Champs each year! I have seen so many Big 12 games that were close there at AFH and the OU 3 overtimes was one and there has been so many others when it comes down to last 2 min of game and your tied with Kansas you are losing at AFH!

 

[ukwazoo]

Just because there's a disparity in free throws doesn't mean anything.

Do people ever on this board say ANYTHING about the refs when UK has the huge disparity in their favor?

I wish the blaming ref people would at least be consistent.

So if it's 50-20 in KU's favor = refs fault.
If it's 50-20 in UK's favor = refs are fine.

Disparity means nothing. But if your gonna point to it as evidence the refs are for certain teams then do the same exact thing when it's in our favor too.

Yes, people do - a lot. Hell, I saw people just tonight saying we got a favorable whistle the first half. People do complain about the refs too much on here, but tonight was robbery.

 

[Bill - Shy Cat]

Just because there's a disparity in free throws doesn't mean anything.

Do people ever on this board say ANYTHING about the refs when UK has the huge disparity in their favor?

I wish the blaming ref people would at least be consistent.

So if it's 50-20 in KU's favor = refs fault.
If it's 50-20 in UK's favor = refs are fine.

Disparity means nothing. But if your gonna point to it as evidence the refs are for certain teams then do the same exact thing when it's in our favor too.

I just watch the game and when I see f@cked up calls, I form my opinion.

 

[runt#69]

I can't lay it out there any better than that, friends.

 

[Bigblueincincy]

Just because there's a disparity in free throws doesn't mean anything.

Do people ever on this board say ANYTHING about the refs when UK has the huge disparity in their favor?

I wish the blaming ref people would at least be consistent.

So if it's 50-20 in KU's favor = refs fault.
If it's 50-20 in UK's favor = refs are fine.

Disparity means nothing. But if your gonna point to it as evidence the refs are for certain teams then do the same exact thing when it's in our favor too.

Never happens but officiating does matter when it disrupts the flow of the game and give an advantage to one team. And tonight it was certainly the case.

 

[runt#69]

Just because there's a disparity in free throws doesn't mean anything.

Do people ever on this board say ANYTHING about the refs when UK has the huge disparity in their favor?

I wish the blaming ref people would at least be consistent.

So if it's 50-20 in KU's favor = refs fault.
If it's 50-20 in UK's favor = refs are fine.

Disparity means nothing. But if your gonna point to it as evidence the refs are for certain teams then do the same exact thing when it's in our favor too.

Fair enough. I already stated those games where a blind man could see UK got "hosed" on the road. And sure, we've had games where it was the opposite.

Funny how it always happens to be this much of an disparity ON THE ROAD (usually in conference road games).

So go ahead and give those games where we had a 59-33 disparity like against us in Knoxville in 92, or the Vandy game here in Nashville in 93'.

I'll wait for a response.

 

[runt#69]

Also note that in those games, we really got hosed how much worse we LOST, as opposed to taking a good #4 kansas AT Allen Fieldhouse as opposed to say, an unranked Vandy or the unranked Vols in Knoxville or Nashville.

You can't do it because it has never happened.

Either that, or shutup and show me where we had outshot the opposition 59-33 at the line, I'm still waiting.

 

[cats2010]

Just because there's a disparity in free throws doesn't mean anything.

Do people ever on this board say ANYTHING about the refs when UK has the huge disparity in their favor?

I wish the blaming ref people would at least be consistent.

So if it's 50-20 in KU's favor = refs fault.
If it's 50-20 in UK's favor = refs are fine.

Disparity means nothing. But if your gonna point to it as evidence the refs are for certain teams then do the same exact thing when it's in our favor too.

You can't tell me that UK fouled on every possession down the stretch of the game while Kansas played perfect defense. Kansas lived at the free throw line while UK had to earn every point. Not a big fan of blaming refs either but this game was so one sided when it mattered it was hard to ignore.

At one point KU had shot 18 FT's to our 17 and ended up with 47 to our 23. That was all from 8:00 in regulation to OT when the game was on the line. The zebras took over and there is no denying that.

 

[Ugoff]

How to spot a troll 101.. When you see this at the bottom of their post....

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[The_Answer1313]

All I'm saying is be consistent.

If your view is that difference in free throws mean one team is getting a favorable whistle, call in both ways.

Cause in the 6 years that Cal has been here we have DEFINITELY won the free throw battle the majority of the time.

And I think the fact that we arent so much this year speaks volumes to the team we currently have, not the refs.

 

[runt#69]

I had sworn I thought Vandy had another one of those high 40's - into the 50's in free throw attempts and beat the hell out of us in one of those road games, too, but I can't find it.

Must've been that 93 game in nashville against them I was thinking of.

Memory is getting a little foggy. A few more years and I'll be joining those blue hairs at Rupp ....

 

[wcc31]

Just because there's a disparity in free throws doesn't mean anything.

Do people ever on this board say ANYTHING about the refs when UK has the huge disparity in their favor?

I wish the blaming ref people would at least be consistent.

So if it's 50-20 in KU's favor = refs fault.
If it's 50-20 in UK's favor = refs are fine.

Disparity means nothing. But if your gonna point to it as evidence the refs are for certain teams then do the same exact thing when it's in our favor too.

I watched the F'ing game. Maybe you should have, too.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Just because there's a disparity in free throws doesn't mean anything.

Do people ever on this board say ANYTHING about the refs when UK has the huge disparity in their favor?

I wish the blaming ref people would at least be consistent.

So if it's 50-20 in KU's favor = refs fault.
If it's 50-20 in UK's favor = refs are fine.

Disparity means nothing. But if your gonna point to it as evidence the refs are for certain teams then do the same exact thing when it's in our favor too.

You don't need to rely on stats. If you honestly believe KU was called for even half the fouls they committed, and for which we were called for, then I question your eyesight.

 

[The_Answer1313]

You don't need to rely on stats. If you honestly believe KU was called for even half the fouls they committed, and for which we were called for, then I question your eyesight.

Yeah but my view isn't about a single game. Every loss people complain about the refs. Every time there's a disparity in free throws in our opponents favor, someone brings it up.

Maybe we just suck at playing D without fouling lol

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Yes, people do - a lot. Hell, I saw people just tonight saying we got a favorable whistle the first half. People do complain about the refs too much on here, but tonight was robbery.

We actually did get a favorable whistle in the first half. I told my brother that, but I also told him they would more than make up for it in the second half, because I knew it was coming.

 

[runt#69]

We actually did get a favorable whistle in the first half. I told my brother that, but I also told him they would more than make up for it in the second half, because I knew it was coming.

that's the kicker, right there.

 

[Bigblueincincy]

We actually did get a favorable whistle in the first half. I told my brother that, but I also told him they would more than make up for it in the second half, because I knew it was coming.

I really didn't think we got a favorable 1st half whistle. I would say it was a fair whistle. I think Kansas still shot one more free throw than us and they had one more foul than us. The 2nd half was piss poor officiating.

 

[The_Answer1313]

After the game.

“We just gotta learn how to play without fouling. That’s something we’ve been struggling with all year,” Alex Poythress said.


Even the players know. It's not just specific to this game. It's been an issue all season long. Especially with the bigs.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

You know KU 's FG% was actually helped by the officiating. It actually boosts FG % when missed shots aren't counted because you are going to the FT line.

 

[deplion]

After the game.

“We just gotta learn how to play without fouling. That’s something we’ve been struggling with all year,” Alex Poythress said.


Even the players know. It's not just specific to this game. It's been an issue all season long. Especially with the bigs.

Poythress said what he should say, and the only thing he can say. I am proud of him (and Cal) for not taking the easy bait.

The state of officiating in the college game flat out sucks though. Home court advantage is completely out of whack. At places like Cameron and AFH it is absurdly bad - as we saw tonight.

You are correct that "whining" does not change anything. On the other hand, it is now so bad that I believe it is literally ruining the college game.

It is way past time for the major college conferences to employ full-time professional referees IMO.

 

[wcc31]

It was a historically awful game when it comes to officiating. Just look at the numbers.