Possible loss of Marrow to Southern Miss.?

[mrschwump]

No, we will never consistently be in the mix to win the SEC. In the mix meaning we will be in the next down from the teams that are consistently fighting for the title (UGA, Bama, Texas, etc.) Then be ready when everything comes together and have a great year and actually swing with the big boys.

We definitely have the talent to do that, we just haven’t had the coaching.

And you didn’t say this, but I feel like this has to be said re: recruiting: just throwing out the stat that we are 10th/12th/14th in the SEC with no other qualifier is deceptive and silly. The difference between the number 14 overall class in the country and the 21st overall class is one or two players being ranked a 5.8 4* vs a 5.7 3*. Basically, there is no difference. But there may be 4 SEC teams ranked between the 14th and 21st ranked class, so it makes it look like you’re near dead last in the conference when in reality you have essentially the same overall roster talent as 8 other teams in the conference

Absolutely right re ranking but people don't want to hear that, doesn't fit their agenda. Difference in maybe 6th in the conference and 12th is minimal, maybe as little as one player.

 

[JPFisher]

He doesn't strike me as a head coach. He's a relationship guy and a person who placates talent. If Stoops left I'd be cool but I would like to keep marrow for recruiting. He works hard for Kentucky and he's responsible for the most recruiting success we have ever had. Why would anyone want him to leave other than he is tethered to Stoops? Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Marrow would do about as well as a HC as Kenny Payne did, IMO. You're exactly right. He's the cool grandpa/uncle type that kids gravitate to, but I think he could be lax on discipline.

 

[ArtLaibsGhost]

Absolutely right re ranking but people don't want to hear that, doesn't fit their agenda. Difference in maybe 6th in the conference and 12th is minimal, maybe as little as one player.

The only " agenda" some of us have is seeing Kentucky be competitive in the SEC. Those of us who have been watching UK football since the 1960s would like to see us compete at least once with the upper echelon of the league
You say it can't be done. I say that is a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Irish Beck]

A lot of you folks weren't here during the end of the Joker era arguing with PEPSIMAN99 about how we would be doomed if we let a recruiter like Joker walk.

We can, and will, have better years ahead after Stoops. Thank you for your time and efforts, but we have to move on.

 

[Crystalglass]

The only " agenda" some of us have is seeing Kentucky be competitive in the SEC. Those of us who have been watching UK football since the 1960s would like to see us compete at least once with the upper echelon of the league
You say it can't be done. I say that is a self fulfilling prophecy.

We played UGA for the SEC East title a few years ago. The point isn’t that we can never compete, it’s that we aren’t going to ever consistently recruit like UGA or Bama. Given that fact, we are actually recruiting in the vicinity of our reasonable ceiling. Can we do better? Marginally, sure. Does the recruiting acumen of Stoops and Marrow mean they shouldn’t be gone at the end of the season? No.

I’m all about moving on from Stoops, it just drives me nuts that we as fans have to start denigrating the legitimate success he’s had here to somehow justify wanting him gone. He’s the best coach 95% of fans have ever had. We’re recruiting about as good as we likely ever will. He’s also gotten complacent and clearly doesn’t have the edge anymore and it’s hurting the program. Those points can both be true at the same time

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

I have heard marrow is always looking for any way to make more money. Maybe he is using the bad times for leverage to get more $$ out of uk.

 

[billoliver40]

I read a report he withdrew his name....if it ever was in there.

 

[screwduke1]

The intense hatred of Stoops is disturbing. Easy to tell who has had substantial losses betting on games.

We are 4-6 and probably will miss a bowl game. Did you expect a parade for Stoops lol.

Btw I don't hate Stoops. I don't even know him personally to hate him. I appreciate what he has done for UK for most of his coaching term here. But it's definitely time for a change. Pretty solid recruiter especially for UK standards and seems like a good blue collar guy...but he can't coach a good offense to save his life.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

And Vandy lost to Georgia State.

Sure, they’ve punched above their weight, but that means they have done the exact opposite of Kentucky. UK has averaged 20th in recruiting the last 4 years, and Vandy about 40th. They have Pavia, and he’s a heady player on the college level, but we likely have 8 or 9 defensive starters who would start for Vandy, if they were on that team.

If Vandy is truly more physically talented than UK, that is a damning indictment on the Kentucky staff’s ability to recruit (and/or develop) talent.

I think k UK is deeper, but the only one I can say would

And Vandy lost to Georgia State.

Sure, they’ve punched above their weight, but that means they have done the exact opposite of Kentucky. UK has averaged 20th in recruiting the last 4 years, and Vandy about 40th. They have Pavia, and he’s a heady player on the college level, but we likely have 8 or 9 defensive starters who would start for Vandy, if they were on that team.

If Vandy is truly more physically talented than UK, that is a damning indictment on the Kentucky staff’s ability to recruit (and/or develop) talent.

I dont think Vandy is more talented than UK except QB, who is just a player and plays better than he probably should. UK is more talented overall, but weren't that day. I think OM is more talented than UK, with a coach several schools would like, but they weren't better than UK that day. Upsets happen every week.

 

[cathouse]

I think k UK is deeper, but the only one I can say would


I dont think Vandy is more talented than UK except QB, who is just a player and plays better than he probably should. UK is more talented overall, but weren't that day. I think OM is more talented than UK, with a coach several schools would like, but they weren't better than UK that day. Upsets happen every week.

Grumpyolddawg, I love you man, BUT, losing 2/3 to Vandy, 3 straight to S. Carolina, 10/12 to UT, 12 in a row to Georgia, getting blasted by a bad Florida team, that is not what you call an "upset".

That is a bad trend.

If this was Georgia, Georgia fans would be at Kirby's door with the torches. You guys ran off a coach who AVERAGED 10 wins per year. If losing games like that are not good enough for Georgia, it should not be acceptable to UK fans who want better for our football program.

This "upset" narrative is a pathetic excuse for losing games we shouldn't be losing 12 years into CMS tenure.

 

[jeffky]

Do you realize we haven’t scored over 20 against a power conference team? And we’ve only scored exactly 20 against two of them. Won one and lost one. Scoring 20 won’t win anything these days against good competition.

Damn that's a hell of a comeback nice job 👍

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Grumpyolddawg, I love you man, BUT, losing 2/3 to Vandy, 3 straight to S. Carolina, 10/12 to UT, 12 in a row to Georgia, getting blasted by a bad Florida team, that is not what you call an "upset".

That is a bad trend.

If this was Georgia, Georgia fans would be at Kirby's door with the torches. You guys ran off a coach who AVERAGED 10 wins per year. If losing games like that are not good enough for Georgia, it should not be acceptable to UK fans who want better for our football program.

This "upset" narrative is a pathetic excuse for losing games we shouldn't be losing 12 years into CMS tenure.

I wouldn't be happy for sure with those results. But if that happens we would be stuck, 134m buyout would be hard to come up with. Richt wasn't fired so much for the wins. I posted the details here one day, sure people wanted to win a championship, but being in the hunt kept most happy. It was his unwillingness to make changes more than losses. And when he made one he made sure it was a bad one.