POLL: Is there a God ??

[Caveman Catfan]

Even though our sins are supposedly forgiven by his death, I always understood that it was mankind’s original sin that drew the consequences of pain, sickness, suffering, misery, etc. that all became the unfortunate part of the human condition. So, Jesus’ death allowed his Father to forgive mankind’s sins and permit entrance to Heaven, but the the sad consequences of sin, via the human condition, still remained ?? So … my point is still … why the brutal death … just forgive them. I don’t get it.

Of course, TOTAL forgiveness would forgive everything, including all consequences. Even more so, why not just go ahead and forgive TOTALLY and restore mankind to life as originally depicted in the Garden of Eden ??

Your post seems to suggest you know how God will judge and also seems to suggest that people who want nothing to do with God will want forgiveness and an eternity with God. Some may repent, but others will not.

God does not compel people to love Him or obey Him. Nor, it appears, does He demand you be in His eternal presence.

As it reads, I think the mistake of your post is the conclusion that Jesus died so we can be in heaven, as if heaven is a place like earth, but maybe better. But, the new heaven/earth and resurrection of believers is to live an eternity with God.

I am guessing that many who mock God now don’t want to be with God.

God has provided a pathway to be in His holy presence for those who desire Him. Jesus.

 

[megablue]

Your post seems to suggest you know how God will judge and also seems to suggest that people who want nothing to do with God will want forgiveness and an eternity with God. Some may repent, but others will not.

God does not compel people to love Him or obey Him. Nor, it appears, does He demand you be in His eternal presence.

As it reads, I think the mistake of your post is the conclusion that Jesus died so we can be in heaven, as if heaven is a place like earth, but maybe better. But, the new heaven/earth and resurrection of believers is to live an eternity with God.

I am guessing that many who mock God now don’t want to be with God.

God has provided a pathway to be in His holy presence for those who desire Him. Jesus.

I understand the theology as you describe. It is how I was taught. I do not argue against it here. My original thought, albeit perhaps poorly written, was simply to question why God did not TOTALLY forgive sins to the extent that everyone would receive everlasting life and there would be no earthly consequences for original sin. It is a question I would ask him if I were to receive the opportunity. He is God, he certainly could've done it what way. Thanks for the reply.

 

[MidseasonTweak]

Your post seems to suggest you know how God will judge and also seems to suggest that people who want nothing to do with God will want forgiveness and an eternity with God. Some may repent, but others will not.

We know how he would judge if he existed. It's quite clear. If you aren't in his Christian club, you get to suffer for eternity for some odd reason.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

We know how he would judge if he existed. It's quite clear. If you aren't in his Christian club, you get to suffer for eternity for some odd reason.

Actually, you don’t know how God will judge. In fact, he tells us not to judge people speculating on their eternal condition. We are not God. But, we know he will not be wrong.

 

[AmericanDragon]

My answer still stands pretty firmly at no.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

This reminds of where our culture seems headed.

“For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23‬:‭29‬ ‭ESV

 

[megablue]

This reminds of where our culture seems headed.

“For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23‬:‭29‬ ‭ESV

Nuns, with vows of poverty and chastity, are duly-blessed, of course. I was taught K-12 by them … very dedicated, to say the least. By far, the best teachers I’ve ever had.

My high school science teacher was off the charts. Physics, Senior year, was the best and most interesting class I ever had in my educational journey.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Happy Father’s Day to all who are and all who celebrate today!

 

[megablue]

I'm sure many here already knew this and have a for a long time, but I didn't. I was aware of the various other points in the link below, but never knew or thought about the first point. Here is point #1:

Every story in the Bible takes place in just one tiny area of the globe.​

Every person, place, animal, and event mentioned by the Bible are limited to one tiny area. The Bible contains no knowledge of the outside world. It’s as if the Bible’s knowledge of the world was limited by the knowledge of the people who wrote it.

| Truth-Saves

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[Caveman Catfan]

I'm sure many here already knew this and have a for a long time, but I didn't. I was aware of the various other points in the link below, but never knew or thought about the first point. Here is point #1:

Every story in the Bible takes place in just one tiny area of the globe.​

Every person, place, animal, and event mentioned by the Bible are limited to one tiny area. The Bible contains no knowledge of the outside world. It’s as if the Bible’s knowledge of the world was limited by the knowledge of the people who wrote it.

| Truth-Saves

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The story takes place in one tiny area of the world and, yet, is the most read story of all time reaching more people than any other story. Yeah, that is crazy cool to consider. Especially how relatable Jesus is across time and geography.

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

I'm sure many here already knew this and have a for a long time, but I didn't. I was aware of the various other points in the link below, but never knew or thought about the first point. Here is point #1:

Every story in the Bible takes place in just one tiny area of the globe.​

Every person, place, animal, and event mentioned by the Bible are limited to one tiny area. The Bible contains no knowledge of the outside world. It’s as if the Bible’s knowledge of the world was limited by the knowledge of the people who wrote it.

| Truth-Saves

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And yet, there are adults that believe that the buybull is 100% factual in every way, and is the unerring word of the creator of billions of galaxies and all known life forms.

Incredible!

 

[Caveman Catfan]

And yet, there are adults that believe that the buybull is 100% factual in every way, and is the unerring word of the creator of billions of galaxies and all known life forms.

Incredible!

And, you claimed you live every day as if it is your last.

Incredible.

 

[mcnicKY91]

And yet, there are adults that believe that the buybull is 100% factual in every way, and is the unerring word of the creator of billions of galaxies and all known life forms.

Incredible!

It is truly amazing that not one single fulfilled Bible prophecy as been incorrect. Absolutely mind blowing. Heck, in only looking at prophecies written about Jesus (300 in the Old Testament), which have all been historically proven to be written 500-1000 yrs prior to Jesus' birth, life, and crucifixion (all of which have been historically proven outside the Bible), not one prophecy got it wrong. Not one. And there are close to 300 of them.

The mathematical chances that any one person could fulfill all of them is one chance in a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion. And Jesus had to fulfill every single one, or He was not the Messiah at all.

This doesn't even begin to take into consideration all the Biblical prophecy unrelated to Jesus prophesied in the OT that has come true, and has been proven to be true outside the Bible. Absolutely stunning.

 

[Catemus]

And yet, there are adults that believe that the buybull is 100% factual in every way, and is the unerring word of the creator of billions of galaxies and all known life forms.

Incredible!

I’ve often marveled at the devotion and passion displayed by those who fall under a religious spell. They make the most hard-core sports fans seem dull.

Some of them will actually kill anyone who challenges their beliefs. I think it’s probably because they were groomed as children to be “holy warriors.”

They’re almost universally male, minimally educated, socially unskilled and seem to have a burning need to follow. The most dangerous of them, that is. Those who are more educated and intelligent usually lead and prey upon the followers.

 

[mcnicKY91]

I’ve often marveled at the devotion and passion displayed by those who fall under a religious spell. They make the most hard-core sports fans seem dull.

Some of them will actually kill anyone who challenges their beliefs. I think it’s probably because they were groomed as children to be “holy warriors.”

They’re almost universally male, minimally educated, socially unskilled and seem to have a burning need to follow. The most dangerous of them, that is. Those who are more educated and intelligent usually lead and prey upon the followers.

Jesus loves you and died on the cross for you, my friend. Place your faith in Him!

God Bless!

 

[JDHoss]

I’ve often marveled at the devotion and passion displayed by those who fall under a religious spell. They make the most hard-core sports fans seem dull.

Some of them will actually kill anyone who challenges their beliefs. I think it’s probably because they were groomed as children to be “holy warriors.”

They’re almost universally male, minimally educated, socially unskilled and seem to have a burning need to follow. The most dangerous of them, that is. Those who are more educated and intelligent usually lead and prey upon the followers.

If Stan Lee and other great superhero comic writers had existed in BCE and collaborated on a book, would people be worshipping THE Amazing Spider Man, Batman, Superman, THE Incredible Hulk, Wolverine, THE Flash, THE Phantom etc? 🤔

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

If Stan Lee and other great superhero comic writers had existed in BCE and collaborated on a book, would people be worshipping THE Amazing Spider Man, Batman, Superman, THE Incredible Hulk, Wolverine, THE Flash, THE Phantom etc? 🤔

As a kid I read many of The Amazing Spider-Man comic books. I believed him to be real. It said so right there in the books themselves. Every detail of how he became Spider-man, and the accounts of his great deeds, all right there. What more proof could a person need? The only logical reasons that people deny his existence is that they are either angry at Spider-Man, they had a bad experience when attending Comic Con, or they were never taught about how Spider-Man can save them.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

If Stan Lee and other great superhero comic writers had existed in BCE and collaborated on a book, would people be worshipping THE Amazing Spider Man, Batman, Superman, THE Incredible Hulk, Wolverine, THE Flash, THE Phantom etc? 🤔

Not a smart take. If you are going to reject Jesus, pretending He was a fictional character is a poorly contrived, against the evidence, reason. Additionally, while the writings from those times are fewer, for good reason, it’s not as if there were not a lot of BC stories that refute your snarky theory.

But, if you were merely baiting for a response, congrats.

 

[Ron Mehico]

I'm sure many here already knew this and have a for a long time, but I didn't. I was aware of the various other points in the link below, but never knew or thought about the first point. Here is point #1:

Every story in the Bible takes place in just one tiny area of the globe.​

Every person, place, animal, and event mentioned by the Bible are limited to one tiny area. The Bible contains no knowledge of the outside world. It’s as if the Bible’s knowledge of the world was limited by the knowledge of the people who wrote it.

| Truth-Saves

truth-saves.com

Wow, didn’t know a lot of those points in that article, is that true??

 

[Catemus]

Jesus loves you and died on the cross for you, my friend. Place your faith in Him!

God Bless!

Or?

 

[mcnicKY91]

Or?

You get what you truly desire...either a relationship with God for eternity, or separation from God for eternity.

But this has been discussed 10,000 times in this thread...

 

[Catemus]

You get what you truly desire...either a relationship with God for eternity, or separation from God for eternity.

But this has been discussed 10,000 times in this thread...

So just those two options? You proselytize a religious dogma and I proselytize science.

In religions there are absolutes, i.e., the word of God. In science there are no absolutes because knowledge leads to more knowledge.

Religion, especially American protestantism it seems, uses fear as a tool for conformity. In science, conformity is a bad thing because it can keep a bad idea alive and that can suppress progress towards more knowledge.

 

[mcnicKY91]

So just those two options? You proselytize a religious dogma and I proselytize science.

In religions there are absolutes, i.e., the word of God. In science there are no absolutes because knowledge leads to more knowledge.

Religion, especially American protestantism it seems, uses fear as a tool for conformity. In science, conformity is a bad thing because it can keep a bad idea alive and that can suppress progress towards more knowledge.

Like I said earlier, Jesus loves you and died on the cross for your sins. I pray you give your life to Jesus.

God Bless!

 

[Caveman Catfan]

So just those two options? You proselytize a religious dogma and I proselytize science.

In religions there are absolutes, i.e., the word of God. In science there are no absolutes because knowledge leads to more knowledge.

Religion, especially American protestantism it seems, uses fear as a tool for conformity. In science, conformity is a bad thing because it can keep a bad idea alive and that can suppress progress towards more knowledge.

There are no absolutes in science? Are you saying that faith is needed to believe in science and there is no truth, because everything is subject to change? Is that science?

Actually, conformity in science is a good thing. It’s called reproducibility. Conformity of results helps us understand whether something can be trusted.

What kind of science do you proselytize?