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POLL: Is there a God ??

Is there a God ??

  • Yes

    Votes: 214 76.7%
  • No

    Votes: 65 23.3%

  • Total voters
    279
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Louisville doesn’t have the Bryan Station Inn

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Is that a rent-by-the-hour place?
 
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I think we cracked it. Hell is an eternity in a one or two- story “murder motel” . More than likely with a roommate who smells like farts and ground beef and works at a Sav-A-Lot
 
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Much rather gamble that there's a heaven and hell and than that there's not. I guess thats why atheists work so hard to disprove it all.......they have no clue, either, and are hoping. Hoping nothing good happens after this life so they can be lazy and not do the hard work it would take to believe in this one. Yikes.

Do you wear garlic around your neck “just in case” vampires are real?

I’ve never understood the whole Pascal’s Wager nonsense. What a waste of time, energy, and brain cells. Not to mention 10% of one’s gross income.
 
Heaven and Hell are real, something we will all know one day. The only question is on an individiaul evel , will it be too late.

The modern scientific reductionist has no reason to trust his own reasoning for he is saying that reason itself must have an irrational source. There is no more illogical statement than it is to say from norhting came evertyhing. Understanding how some of that everything works says nothing about the why, it says nothing about the miracle that we exist. Give you one free miracle that is the big bang and only then can you begin with "your" presuppositions and conclusions. Give you one free miracle that is abiogenesis, and only then can you begin with evolutionary theory and your descriptions of consciousness, how something entirely different (animate and self-determining) come from sothing not, something inert without its own agency.
Santa is real, when I was a child I got presents labeled from him.
 
Could it have been someone else who quoted Freud? I didn’t. I stated fairly clearly that I don’t think that God is an illusion at all. Rather, I think that the God concept manifests in the human brain.

ETA: However, after looking at it, I would say that I agree with the last part of his quote:


We are a species that has largely escaped the constraints of natural evolution but a great majority of us still feel most comfortable living and functioning within a hierarchy headed by a single “great leader” who gives peace to those who obey and punishes those who stray out of bounds. That’s why tyrants such as Kim Jong Un, Xi Xinping, Vladimir Putin, and the leaders of minor countries such as Cuba, Venezuela, Namibia, Afghanistan, etc. rule over large populations in the 21st century.
You accept God or you make your own god. Pretending others need coping mechanisms is a coping mechanism.
 
Well done, yes I would categorize some of the “atheists” in here of not being that at all - but rather “antitheists”. Many atheists don’t harbor bad feelings towards religion. Nor do Agnostics.
We have some evangelical atheists on this board. They are not simply atheists who are ambivalent about other people’s beliefs. Some are evangelical out of insecurity. They tend to be more of the trolls. Some appear to be evangelical because atheism is their religion. And, there are a handful of true atheists who have no belief in God and are just having a fair discussion.
 
Santa is real, when I was a child I got presents labeled from him.

Believers are no less aware of that reality.

We have some evangelical atheists on this board. They are not simply atheists who are ambivalent about other people’s beliefs. Some are evangelical out of insecurity. They tend to be more of the trolls. Some appear to be evangelical because atheism is their religion. And, there are a handful of true atheists who have no belief in God and are just having a fair discussion.

Atheism doesn't just mean without theism, but also proactive rejection. That is the complete definition, and as it is used today colloquially; to denote certainty, and a strong stance against theism, contrasted with agnosticism, which is simply not knowing, i.e. ignorant, sharing the same etymological root.

Which is what I would qualify you aheists as, ignorant. You are ignorant of the principal reality to our existence. You have answered to yourselves, as of now, incorrectly to the only question that really matters. And you want that belief (error) to be more prevalent.

But why does the atheist even care what other people believe, and what benefit does he have imposing his beliefs on others? I understand some of you may feel your lives would've been better without Christianity, that maybe you would prefer others in your lives weren't Christian and saw things as you do, but that is certainly not the case for everyone.
 
What is? Atheism? No, it’s just the absence of beliefs in deities. Many people, in fact most, misuse the term atheism when antitheism is the appropriate word. By definition, atheism is not anti-religion, anti-God, or anti-anything
If phrasing it that way helps you sleep have at it.

doesn't change the fact that it's inaccurate.

disbelief IS a belief. And without anything to prove or disprove your non-belief it is, as I said, faith-based.
 
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I love history so I'll provide a couple links I watched one night. Even if it's nonsense it's still interesting. It's amazing that the world just builds on top of itself as generations pass. The fact that the area where Julius Caesar was assassinated was discovered and now open to the public for example sorta blows my mind. Faith-wise, religion is what it is but the history and possible archeological finds is what I've always been interested in.


 
Believers are no less aware of that reality.



Atheism doesn't just mean without theism, but also proactive rejection. That is the complete definition, and as it is used today colloquially; to denote certainty, and a strong stance against theism, contrasted with agnosticism, which is simply not knowing, i.e. ignorant, sharing the same etymological root.

Which is what I would qualify you aheists as, ignorant. You are ignorant of the principal reality to our existence. You have answered to yourselves, as of now, incorrectly to the only question that really matters. And you want that belief (error) to be more prevalent.

But why does the atheist even care what other people believe, and what benefit does he have imposing his beliefs on others? I understand some of you may feel your lives would've been better without Christianity, that maybe you would prefer others in your lives weren't Christian and saw things as you do, but that is certainly not the case for everyone.
You call atheists ignorant yet you believe a sky fairy exists that cares enough to send people to eternal suffering because they refuse to believe in something with no proof, oh and somehow that sky fairy also loves you despite damning most people to suffering for all time.

And Christians care far more about the religion or lack of religion of others. They're always proselytizing, telling people they aren't good enough, etc. We have nutbag Conservative politicians who want this county to be a theocracy.

Christians have hateful views. They want to deny gay people marriage, remove the rights of women to their own bodies, etc.

Religion simply isn't needed modern times. Religions were partly created to try and explain things primitive people were incapable of understanding with science.
 
You call atheists ignorant yet you believe a sky fairy exists that cares enough to send people to eternal suffering because they refuse to believe in something with no proof, oh and somehow that sky fairy also loves you despite damning most people to suffering for all time.

And Christians care far more about the religion or lack of religion of others. They're always proselytizing, telling people they aren't good enough, etc. We have nutbag Conservative politicians who want this county to be a theocracy.

Christians have hateful views. They want to deny gay people marriage, remove the rights of women to their own bodies, etc.

Religion simply isn't needed modern times. Religions were partly created to try and explain things primitive people were incapable of understanding with science.

Ok, but I disagree with all of that.

So what.

And I mean ignorant in a technical sense, not as a pejorative. You are ignorant of something important, the most important something.
 
Ok, but I disagree with all of that.

So what.

And I mean ignorant in a technical sense, not as a pejorative. You are ignorant of something important, the most important something.

From my own experience, atheists are in no way ignorant of christianity or the bible. They tend to know it quite well, in fact. And because they know it so well, it reinforces the idea that it’s all made-up nonsense with no basis in logic or reality.
 
From my own experience, atheists are in no way ignorant of christianity or the bible. They tend to know it quite well, in fact. And because they know it so well, it reinforces the idea that it’s all made-up nonsense with no basis in logic or reality.

Ignorant of the reality (necessity and logic too, but not what I meant) of God. The reality of His existence.

Not ignorant of various facts or details. It is your opinion that God is nonsense.
 
From my own experience, atheists are in no way ignorant of christianity or the bible. They tend to know it quite well, in fact. And because they know it so well, it reinforces the idea that it’s all made-up nonsense with no basis in logic or reality.
Not most atheists in this thread.
 
As a believer, it can be very challenging to prove the existence of God the Father to non believers. While it may appear simple to us as believers that something cannot come from nothing, and that God exists outside time, matter, and space, it does not appear that way to non believers.

I have found more success in proving the God of the Bible exists by providing evidence that God the Son (Jesus) existed, was crucified, and rose from the dead (discovery of empty tomb), as that is the foundational piece of Christianity.

Jesus Christ is the most proven person to have lived. Even the vast majority of well know atheist scholars do not deny His existence. Jesus' life is well documented in numerous non-biblical sources. His crucifixion is well documented in numerous non biblical sources, especially by those who detested Jesus and early Christians. The earthquake and darkening of the sky described in the Bible, right at the moment when Jesus died, are talked about in numerous non biblical sources.

Subsequently after Jesus death, resurrection, and ascension to Heaven, Jesus' disciples were persecuted/beaten/killed for preaching endlessly about Christ. They would have nothing to gain by spreading a lie about Jesus, except persecution and death.

Also, aside from Jesus, the accuracy of biblical prophecy is just staggering. And this, as well, can be sourced by evidence from outside the Bible. Not just the Bible said this would happen, and then the Bible said it happened. Really, really cool stuff.
 
If phrasing it that way helps you sleep have at it.

doesn't change the fact that it's inaccurate.

disbelief IS a belief. And without anything to prove or disprove your non-belief it is, as I said, faith-based.
If phrasing it that way helps you sleep have at it.
Okay, if defining something is the same as phrasing something then I’m going to stick with it.


disbelief IS a belief.
Maybe it is in your circle but in the world at large it isn’t.
 
Okay, if defining something is the same as phrasing something then I’m going to stick with it.



Maybe it is in your circle but in the world at large it isn’t.

That is not the definition. You are giving part of the definition, omitting the rest. The word atheism does not mean solely without belief in deity. This is too shallow of a definition.

It may mean that, and only that to you, but that is not the entirety of what the word means. Your phrasing is incomplete, and your disbelief is a belief by definition as well, whether it's consensus opinion amoung you atheists or not. You believe that God doesn't exist because you do not have satisfactory evidence for such a claim. In the absence of such evidence, you form a blief which you act upon and use going forward in all your analysis.

I did after you said I did, yes.

ALl of the beliefs you expressed have been expressed previously by thinkers such as Freud. He believed many of the same things about God and religion that you do, which should not come as a surprise. Freud believed just as you, that God is an idea invented by man, for man, for societal purposes.

He was wrong.
 
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So we’ve established that no one knows for sure, and no one has converted anyone, either way, correct?

Do you know for sure that Odin does not exist? How about Amun-Ra or Allah or Zeus or Quetzalcoatl? Or any of the other thousands of gods that have been rumored to exist?

They can’t all be real. So the only logical conclusion, for me, is that they are all fiction.
 
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Do you know for sure that Odin does not exist? How about Amun-Ra or Allah or Zeus or Quetzalcoatl? Or any of the other thousands of gods that have been rumored to exist?

They can’t all be real. So the only logical conclusion, for me, is that they are all fiction.

That is an error in logic.

Such thinking would only be logical if the existence or nonexistence of other gods somehow affected the existence or nonexistence of others. Once you have disproved one, you have not disproved all others, but just that one.

But yes, gods do not exist. They are fiction. There is one God, and He came to us as Jesus so that we could know Him.
 
That is an error in logic.

Such thinking would only be logical if the existence or nonexistence of other gods somehow affected the existence or nonexistence of others. Once you have disproved one, you have not disproved all others, but just that one.

But yes, gods do not exist. They are fiction. There is one God, and He came to us as Jesus so that we could know Him.

But didn’t the christian god acknowledge that others existed when he told you in his # 1 rule was to not worship the others?

“You shall have no other gods before me.”

If no other gods are real, why did your invisible friend put this in his top 10 naughty list?
 
By the way, if Catemus is correct, and I know people hate to hear this, nevertheless, all of the global warming crap is a bunch of meaningless doo doo. Your smallest parts will be just fine if this world burns. Placing value on unintended sophistication is as big of an illusion as Catemus believes God to be.

Do you wear garlic around your neck “just in case” vampires are real?

I’ve never understood the whole Pascal’s Wager nonsense. What a waste of time, energy, and brain cells. Not to mention 10% of one’s gross income.
You don’t have to give 10% but I’m sure you find way worse ways to blow that 10% of yours than helping feed the hungry, clothe the needy and provide safe places for children and adults to have fun community get together.

How much of that do you do in your free time? Churches do it every day/week. They don’t go blow that money they reinvest it in the community. What a horrible idea.

My church did that with 6 million last year, what did you and your buddies do?
You call atheists ignorant yet you believe a sky fairy exists that cares enough to send people to eternal suffering because they refuse to believe in something with no proof, oh and somehow that sky fairy also loves you despite damning most people to suffering for all time.

And Christians care far more about the religion or lack of religion of others. They're always proselytizing, telling people they aren't good enough, etc. We have nutbag Conservative politicians who want this county to be a theocracy.

Christians have hateful views. They want to deny gay people marriage, remove the rights of women to their own bodies, etc.

Religion simply isn't needed modern times. Religions were partly created to try and explain things primitive people were incapable of understanding with science.
Bro, you had faith in the mfing Cowboys and they’ve PROVEN for 28 years to factually be shit, but you give us grief for having faith in God? 🤔
 
But didn’t the christian god acknowledge that others existed when he told you in his # 1 rule was to not worship the others?

“You shall have no other gods before me.”

If no other gods are real, why did your invisible friend put this in his top 10 naughty list?

No, that is another error in logic. That doesn't imply/necessitate they are real. There is one God, man shouldn't make one up and put that before Him, which is idolatry.
 
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No, that is another error in logic. That doesn't imply/necessitate they are real. There is one God, man shouldn't make one up and put that before Him, which is idolatry.

Again, if I was making up a top 10 list, I wouldn’t include things like gods that don’t exist. Would you? I think your imaginary friend either ain’t too bright, or has admitted to you that his competition is real. Pick one!
 
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Again, if I was making up a top 10 list, I wouldn’t include things like gods that don’t exist. Would you? I think your imaginary friend either ain’t too bright, or has admitted to you that his competition is real. Pick one!

No, I don't accept the premise of your reasoning.

You live today, modern Man. You demand God's word be what you want it to be for us today, as modern man, with no historical regard to the needs of the past, the conditions and societies they lived under.
 
We have some evangelical atheists on this board. They are not simply atheists who are ambivalent about other people’s beliefs. Some are evangelical out of insecurity. They tend to be more of the trolls. Some appear to be evangelical because atheism is their religion. And, there are a handful of true atheists who have no belief in God and are just having a fair discussion.


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I did after you said I did, yes.
No. You quoted the typical Freudian claim that religion is a way for people to calm anxieties about the unknown. I responded by calling it what it was.
I haven’t said what I think God is, but to accommodate you I’ll state that I think that God is a general concept of the human brain, devised to provide: A quick and easy explanation for the unknown; a maintenance of the social hierarchy that humans inherited during our evolution as intelligent social primates; a comfort to turn to when we experience trauma in our individual and community lives; and, most prominently, a justification for the actions we take regarding interactions between groups of humans and the use of resources in our environment.

We make war upon other groups in the “name of God,” whether defensively or, especially, offensively for a myriad of reasons; and we use the resources of our environment with an unchecked consumption because of the dominion over the world and all of its other species of life that was given to us by this being that resides only within our brains as a communal thought.
Atheists like to tell believers why they believe, rather than ask. And, atheists call Christians arrogant.
 
No, that is another error in logic. That doesn't imply/necessitate they are real. There is one God, man shouldn't make one up and put that before Him, which is idolatry.
Not a flaw in logic, but an example of someone who has not read or studied scripture.
 
You don’t have to give 10% but I’m sure you find way worse ways to blow that 10% of yours than helping feed the hungry, clothe the needy and provide safe places for children and adults to have fun community get together.

How much of that do you do in your free time? Churches do it every day/week. They don’t go blow that money they reinvest it in the community. What a horrible idea.

My church did that with 6 million last year, what did you and your buddies do?

Bro, you had faith in the mfing Cowboys and they’ve PROVEN for 28 years to factually be shit, but you give us grief for having faith in God? 🤔
How much of that 10% went towards harboring pedo priest and pastors.....
 
How much of that 10% went towards harboring pedo priest and pastors.....
Well I go to a baptist church so zero priests, I know that at least, and I surely don’t believe you actually think ALL or even most or even 1/2 or even 1/100th of churches are working in congruence to commit and cover up pedophilia.
 
it reinforces the idea that it’s all made-up nonsense with no basis in logic or reality.

This is where atheists, non-believers, etc....stick their head up their backside. Logic and reality?.....all you have to do is look outside. Logic and reality is as clear as a new pane of glass. Don't understand what I am referring to?.....read the Bible.
 
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