Particles come from particals. Or is it particals come from particles? Sience is so confusing.
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Particles come from particals. Or is it particals come from particles? Sience is so confusing.
I hate either-or prepositions, especially when somebody ends a sentence with one.
Perhaps I wasn't as clear as I could have been in my anecdote about growing up Catholic. All religion on Earth is completely man made. We have 10 commandments because cavemen got tire of people screwing their wives and daughters and stealing their shit. Their dads and moms told them not to, but they kept doing it. So, we have to honor our parents, can's steal shit, can't screw someone we're not married to or kill people. And one day a week, we are supposed to give everyone that is trying to keep us from doing these things a breath, a rest day if you will. Every religion has the same stories in different forms. And yes, there has been plenty of bloodshed because of religion. When people start a conversation with "I'm a Christian" I immediately quit listening, because if that is what you lead with, you are generally an asshole.
From my experience when someone leads with 'I am an atheist" you are generally an asshole. Your broadbrush needs a fix. Prior to the Jews, how many of these religions you speak of had a single deity?
And you prove many points in this thread with this post. At best, you insinuate your beliefs are superior and “correct” because you believe in a single deity. You imply you think those religions are foolish or wrong because of what they believe while trying to hold the moral high ground with extreme hypocrisy. Their beliefs are just as real as yours and have just the same probability as yours when it comes to creation and higher beings.
Are you considering starting to practice Christianity?
I thought surely we might see a little spark of outrage from the faithful over the "rot in hell" Christmas tweet, or E. Jean Carroll deposition, but alas, no. Once again, I was sadly disappointed.
It would certainly be a tall order to tally up all the murders in the history of the world and then categorize those murders by cause. However when we look at human behavior over the couple of thousands of years, Religion certainly deserves a mention. Think about the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Protestant/Catholic conflicts, Muslim/Jewish conflicts, all those men, women in North, Central, and South America that the "Civilized
Christian put to the sword, or burned at the stake if they refused to bend the knee.
Oh, okay. I just wanted to make sure you were aware you are intentionally incendiary and offensive. Now, you’ve made it clear that’s exactly what you’re going for!
See, most people don’t want to be thought of as jerks. My mistake!
This thread reminds me of a joke I’m currently making up as I type:
There are 3 horses sitting in a field when all of a sudden a loud and sputtering RV pulls up beside them with the driver staying in the car.
The first horse says “that’s an animal from the past, brought here to conjure up doom!”
The second horse says “no, you idiot, that’s a horse from the future coming to warn us of future evil!”
The third horse says “no, you dullards, neither one of you is smart enough to know what that animal is here to tell us!”
The first and second horses look at the 3rd horse and yell “Well at least we’re brave enough to pick a side, you moron!!”
There are 3 horses sitting in a field when all of a sudden a loud and sputtering RV pulls up beside them with the driver staying in the car.
The first horse says “that’s an animal from the past, brought here to conjure up doom!”
The second horse says “no, you idiot, that’s a horse from the future coming to warn us of future evil!”
The third horse says “no, you dullards, neither one of you is smart enough to know what that animal is here to tell us!”
The first and second horses look at the 3rd horse and yell “Well at least we’re brave enough to pick a side, you moron!!”
He said...EVERY RELIGION has the same stories or variations thereof. There are common stories, historical events...like the great flood. Those few on the planet thousands of years ago experienced and recorded these events, either orally or in written form. Sure. Only one version stands the test of time. I am not going to convince you, nor you I. I still contend it is much harder to believe that you and I just sprang into existence without divine intervention back at some point of "singularity".
Let me put on my boots. Your BS is getting deeper.
Forget the Bible and religion for now. DNA, fingerprints, complexity of the brain, heart, lungs, diversity of the plant and animal kingdom, are simply not things that could realistically occur on their own, IMO. Evolution, science, etc does not adequately explain that for me.
WildcatfaninOhio
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It has never been my intent to be offensive. I thought you compared me to Christopher Hitchens because he was incredibly intelligent, well spoken, and made brilliant points during debates.
I ask questions and make counter points. If you find my questions and counter points offensive, that’s on you.
Verifiable science isn't adequate but a giant, invisible man in the sky is? Make it make sense. We can literally map out how things evolved throughout time, try going to a museum.
Nobody has exactly the same fingerprints or DNA. Nobody. We solve crime with this stuff. Its not random.
Non-you people have DNA that is different from yours so that must mean that there's a giant, floaty, sky man...
If Christianity wasn't so engrained in society, that sentence would sound absolutely unhinged (it still is honestly).
I plead that you research studies on how much DNA is the exact same between two random people, it's nearly 100% and in identical twins, it is 100%. Most of our DNA determines us as human (as opposed to monkeys, bananas, etc.) rather than differentiating us from other people.
Forget the Bible and religion for now. DNA, fingerprints, complexity of the brain, heart, lungs, diversity of the plant and animal kingdom, are simply not things that could realistically occur on their own, IMO. Evolution, science, etc does not adequately explain that for me.
Why not? How deeply have you delved into the subject? The more you know…
Why not? How deeply have you delved into the subject? The more you know…
Okay scienceboy. Explain the verifiable cause of gravity for us. And while you are being sciency....can a man have a baby too in your museum.
I'm not really sure but I assume that you have a point in those incoherent sentences. The beautiful thing about living in the 21st century is that Google is free, you don't even have to pay for a museum ticket to learn about the world around you.
If you have a question about physics, you are more than capable to research that topic. You can quickly find that gravity is one of the four known fundamental interactions among a multitude of other facts that can be supported by science.
If you have a question about men having babies then you can use the fancy Google machine for that as well. There is an abundance of studies about how the human reproductive system works that have been made throughout time.
And the beautiful thing about science is that it is always updating itself as we continue to gain knowledge as opposed to a book written thousands of years ago that we try to equate to life today.
I have seen plenty of your posts. You are going to need that thermal insulation well before I do.
WildcatfaninOhio
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And, if we choose to not believe scientific theories, no one threatens us with eternal torture. That’s even more beautiful, imho.
They could have always existed - that isn't farfetched to believe. It makes more sense than some god creating it.
So neither you, nor science, can explain what actually causes the apple to drop to the ground from the tree. You have THEORY. That is why they call it the gravitational THEORY...not the LAW. Because something that "weak" but important cannot be explained.
Sure we observe and theorize....but you do not know the answer, despite your incoherent words....er...um...uh...fundamental interactions...er...um...uh...multitude of...uh...um...factors...uh...you see....did I mention science? Uh, science...
Nice dodge. I don't need google. No a man cannot have a baby. Agree, or are you not a biologist.
There's no such thing as a flood capable of wiping all animals from the planet.
THINK.....If they could have always existed then who/what made them exist, created them? Did they just exist on their own from nothingness? That makes absolutely no sense at all.
Einstein explained the gravity effect more than 100 years ago. I don’t know why you’re resisting that knowledge.
Why does matter have to be created? Why does there have to be a source?
3/4 of the earth is already covered by water, the global warming folks claim its gonna get worse, citing science.
There are many flood stories and much archeological evidence of a great "flood" in the Black Sea region. Is that the origin of the various flood legends? Did it cover the planet? I don't know and it really is not "pivotal" in my belief in a divine being. Did "Noah" build an arc that had all the worlds animals. I doubt it. I understand the intent of the overall story being recounted.
My fault, I forgot the Bible verse that explains the complexity of gravity, you got me.
Isaac Newton? Never heard of him. Einstein? What a quack. No no, Christianity is where I go for all of my questions about science. 🙄
And since you're so worried about the topic, no, people who are born male that live their lives as men can't give birth. Trans men though... that's a discussion for a board that I'm not allowed to post in.
Is that what you need to believe in order to not believe something had to start it all. Go back as far back as you wish. Past 14 billion years. Something had to create things. Belief in a divine hand is much easier to rationalize than things popping up from nothing on their own.
Jesus, if you believe He existed, cited Noah and the flood several times, for those who are open to the New Testament God, but not the Old Testament God. It's pretty clear to me, that the God of the Bible has emotions as we do (anger, love, etc). However in the end, a God who would die for you is pretty tough to dislike if you ask me.
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Why do you doubt that Noah built an arc? The Bible says he did - which raises another question - if the Word of God is the truth, then why did He make it so hard for people to agree on anything in it? I've heard so many Christians argue specifics on whether something is literal or not, etc. Why did God do a poor job of giving us his sacred Word?
My eternity supposedly hinges on my belief in God, the Bible does a poor job of conveying a singular message.
Bingo. Complains about the broad brush while broad-brushing others of a different belief system.
I have readily admitted that I don’t know if there’s a god or gods. I’m skeptical but not confident enough to make a bold proclamation either way.
But many believers in any particular faith are confident to the point of arrogance their one sect of all the world’s religions is the one true faith and all others are wrong, made up
or stupid. In the end, if there is one, there will be a lot of wrong people who thought they were right. Either that, or if heaven is real, some of these people will be shocked if the big man lets all the different religions in. I know from my days in the church that _______ religion says I am going to hell because I don’t belong to ______ religion because only _______ religion is correct.
So to sum up. Gravity THEORY is just that. There is no LAW and science does not have an answer nor does it profess to know the answer. Maybe some day. But now it is just theory. Are you so fragile in your 'belief" that you cannot acknowledge something so simple.
Trans men? You mean women (with mental issues) pretending to be men? That answer alone says much about you. You profess to live by science...while the simplest PROVEN genetic fact is XX and XY. We all can agree that a woman can have a baby even if she tries to dress like a dude. Her XX and not her pants suit defines her sex.
Please spare us the typical....there was a human in India with XXYXXYYXX chromosomes and a dong and a vagina that both worked.....we all understand that there are freak mutations. We had a football player with 11 fingers. No sane person would say finger totals are fluid.
Stories in the old testament are a combination of verbal history passed down for generations and recorded later. I do not think that every word in the old testament is to be taken literally. I believe that the universe is 13 or so billion years old and the earth about 4Bil years. We evolved but it was divinely and intelligently guided to the point we were given a soul and free will by GOD. Your eternity hinges on things in the New Testament and not on stories in the old testament. I go to church about 2 times a year so don't confuse me with Jerry Falwell.
I"ve never been very concerned about the age of the earth. I'm more interested in the length of human history
The Bible is both testaments, though. If differing conclusions can be made in the old, I don't have much faith in the new either.
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