Dude, the point is there is an entire thread, like a million posts long, designated specifically for politics. Why drag it into here?
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WildcatfaninOhio
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Do you feel that the numbered sentences give this more credibility? Because I’ve never understood the need myself.
Haha...that's your takeaway? When you copy and paste biblical text, the verse number is always present. Nothing I can do about that...unless it is complicating your ability to read, in which case I can delete out the verse numbers for you prior to posting.
Even if your God were real why would anybody worship that murdering, genocidal, misogynistic, vengeful, jealous, slavery supporting, baby killing, POS?
My man! I was wondering when you would "crash" this thread...
WildcatfaninOhio
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No, I really wanted to know your feelings on the numbered sentences. Do you feel they give the text more credibility?
I wonder if the scribes back then were told to do it that way so they could keep everything straight when compiling all the random stories into one big collection.
Ahhh....gotcha, haha. It is just to make it easier to find something when referencing (at least that is what I would assume). Numbering of verses was done well after the books of the Bible were written. I don't think it provides any additional credibility, just additional ease to navigate and access certain verses in Scripture.
Yeah, any youth pastor or leader that conducts or leads their youth group in that manner should not be in that position.
Eschatology is challenging enough for any seasoned theologian, let alone a bunch of middle school and high school kids. Should never be used as a scare tactic. And quite frankly, no believer trying to witness to any non believer should use any biblical doctrine as a scare tactic. Sorry you had to deal with that.
@mcnicKY91 you are so diplomatic even when I don't agree I like your posts.
I understand you want to rant. Read up on DNA, the improbabilities of life, order in a universe that lends to chaos, etc. It does not take much to find the atheist scientist who has concluded design. Again, if you want a leap, hang your hat on abiogenesis. That is a theory designed to exclude design that has failed.
Haha. Believe me, I have failed within this very thread when it comes to keeping emotions in check.
But I always have to remind myself that someone is exponentially more likely to follow Christ based upon how I treat them/act around them (showing Christ's love) than they are based upon the words coming out of my mouth.
With that being said, the Yankees still suck.
Aren’t you Christians supposed to not judge people? You don’t know me.
Considering I’m registered independent, so I couldn’t even participate in Kentucky’s primary last week, politics is far from my religion. I have no religion. I have no political party. I’m not big on group think.
I have great disdain for both sides of the aisle for a multitude of reasons, but won’t get into it here. Furthermore, I’m not the first person to bring up politics in this thread.
LOL - you and Ohio would love if scripture said that Christians cannot speak the truth or have an opinion about behavior. Love your failed attempt to shame. But, if you keep insisting on making a thread that was supposed to be about the existence of God, and now has become atheists obsessed with Christianity, about politics, you appear to be making politics a religion. You can claim a disdain for political parties, but that has nothing to do with making politics a religion.
My post was not a rant. You have to characterize it as a rant because you don't have any legitimate answers.
Fact: no legitimate scientific organization that I know of recognizes Intelligent Design as a legitimate Scientific Theory. The Overwhelming majority of Scientists that have expressed an opinion or have been polled reject or fail to acknowledge Intelligent Design, as anything but what it is...Right wing propeganda.
Fact: Intelligent Design was the brainchild of a right wing "Think Tank" (propaganda mill) the Discovery Institute. For all the people whining about politics on this thread, organizations like "The Discovery Institute" are dedicated by their own definition dedicated to undermining science and replacing it with what they define as Biblical Principles. Obviously this means a major upheaval in our way of life.
Fact: Science doesn't have an agenda. If it has an agenda, it stops being science. Groups that invent so called Scientific Theories like the Discovery Institute not only have have an agenda, they pay "scientists" to support and promote their agenda. Not unlike the "Scientists" on the Exxon Mobile payroll.
If you want to hang your hat on a Magic Man in the sky that arbitrarily loves then tortures us, that is simultaneously involved and absent in our lives, then by all means, go for it. Just be honest about organizations that are dedicated to forcing this belief on innocent school children by calling it "science",
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Lots of people thought Obama, then Trump, were the the Antichrist. People are always going to have predictions, but only God knows this information.
According to the Bible, the Anitchrist will enter into a peace covenant with Israel, promising protection. 3.5 years into that covenant, this individual will break the covenant, begin persecuting Jewish ppl, and declare that he is God.
This will usher in the second half of the seven year tribulation, culminating with Jesus returning to the Earth to destroy all his enemies.
WildcatfaninOhio
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This would make an interesting plot for an action thriller movie. I’m picturing Gary Oldman as the antichrist. Michael B Jordan as a muscular and handsome jesus. Samuel L Jackson as the wisecracking, foul-mouthed invisible man on a cloud. Zoe Saldana as JC’s mom. Will Smith as the cuckold, Joseph. Screenplay by Quentin Tarantino. Directed by Michael Bay.
I don’t normally go to a movie theater. But I might fork out the cash to see that one.
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Look if you believe that intelligent design is some kind of political sabotage to undermine your belief system, that is your prerogative.
it has nothing to do with my beliefs and everything to do with the truth.
. We can certainly disagree whether or not there is God, and if so, whether that entity is a carling, loving force that is an active agent in the universe, or whether it's more of a neutral energy that is a natural part of all things. Those are interesting arguments, but at the end of the day. they are subject to our opinions. No God yet has been found that is observable or quantifiable.
On the other hand, it's an observable fact that there is an organization called "The Discovery Institute". Furthermore, the history and accomplishments of this organization, its mission, its goals, the way it purports to achieve those goals, while a bit deceptive, is readily observable.
The fact that the leaders of this organization created the theory of Intelligent Design is also easily verifiable.
I won't even touch the argument of whether or not the Discovery Institute is a force for good, or if they're right. That's another discussion. What's not arguable is the that leaders of the Discovery Institute are using Intelligent Design to undermine traditional concepts of science. in many different fields, and that their ultimate aim is undermine what we know of as science and replace it with a more Biblical approach.
On the other hand, it's an observable fact that there is an organization called "The Discovery Institute". Furthermore, the history and accomplishments of this organization, its mission, its goals, the way it purports to achieve those goals, while a bit deceptive, is readily observable.
The fact that the leaders of this organization created the theory of Intelligent Design is also easily verifiable.
NOVA | Intelligent Design on Trial | In Defense of Intelligent Design | PBS
In this feature, Phillip Johnson, one of the founders of the intelligent-design movement, defends the wedge strategy, discusses why he thinks evolution comes up short, and more.
www.pbs.org
I won't even touch the argument of whether or not the Discovery Institute is a force for good, or if they're right. That's another discussion. What's not arguable is the that leaders of the Discovery Institute are using Intelligent Design to undermine traditional concepts of science. in many different fields, and that their ultimate aim is undermine what we know of as science and replace it with a more Biblical approach.
I don’t care about the use of the term Intelligent Design by any group. I am concerned about the concept of an intelligent design theory. It is a real theory based upon what we know about the universe and the complexities of DNA and reproduction of life. You are focused on one narrative as if that is all there is. Teaching kids about entropy, chaos, the incredible depth of DNA of the most simple life we know, etc. to demonstrate that chance in the creation of life is improbable is, generously, as viable a theory as the primordial soup theory you don’t seem to have a problem with. Concluding, this is more about your belief system than it is about the theory.
I won’t lie, that sounds like the plot to a movie that would air at 3 a.m. on a Wednesday on Syfy if you replaced Jesus with SpiderShark.
I’m 42 and have been hearing about the end times since I was about 5. 37 years later and nothing. The rapture was coming because of the metal (80s), or the gays (80s-10s), or the athiests (every decade I’ve been alive) or the _______ (insert culture wars boogeyman of the month here). Eventually, it becomes the boy who cried wolf and gets tuned out.
Anecdotally, I have a formerly hard-partying college buddy who’s now a Baptist pastor in Arkansas, and he’s been yammering about end times and tribulation since about November of 2020 and very much preaches a certain political ideology from his pulpit (I think churches who want to engage in politics and tell their flock how to vote should absolutely pay taxes, no matter what ideology they’re touting). This was the same person who first introduced me to cocaine and used to brag about his dozens of sexual conquests, which made sense then and makes sense now as he’s very charismatic and charming and has the gift of gab. Interesting the different paths we all take as adults.
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CHILD SEX ABUSE BY ILLINOIS CATHOLIC CLERGY SPANS STATE AND DECADES, AG INVESTIGATION FINDS
I wonder how many of those priests will do jail time? And how many of the 3.5 million Catholics in the area will stop funding the world’s largest and most powerful crime ring?
Someone earlier in this very thread had the balls to comment on the Catholic Church by downplaying their heinous crimes by referring to their “warts”. Almost 2,000 victims mentioned here in one diocese. Warts!?! I’d laugh if it weren’t so horrendous and sad.
There just can’t be a god. At least not a loving one. One that would remain invisible and silent while this happens to children. What a crock!
I wonder how many of those priests will do jail time? And how many of the 3.5 million Catholics in the area will stop funding the world’s largest and most powerful crime ring?
Someone earlier in this very thread had the balls to comment on the Catholic Church by downplaying their heinous crimes by referring to their “warts”. Almost 2,000 victims mentioned here in one diocese. Warts!?! I’d laugh if it weren’t so horrendous and sad.
There just can’t be a god. At least not a loving one. One that would remain invisible and silent while this happens to children. What a crock!
How do you think the early church felt? They were all awaiting the rapture/Christ's second return (those are two separate things) and that was 2000 plus years ago.
We have been in the end times since Christ's resurrection/ascension to Heaven 2000 years ago. The Bible is clear that in Matthew 24:5–8, Jesus gives us some important clues for discerning the approach of the end times: “Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.” An increase in false messiahs, an increase in warfare, and increases in famines, plagues, and natural disasters—these are signs of the end times. In this passage, though, we are given a warning: we are not to be deceived, because these events are only the beginning of birth pains; the end is still to come.
In my opinion, what we are seeing is an increase in birth pains. I think that is clear throughout society. Over the past 2000 yrs, these birth pains have been occurring more commonly and at a higher rate, up til present day. They will only get stronger and stronger as we progress into the future. I will guarantee you that.
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One thing we can all agree on. Kirk Cameron is a complete idiot lol. And I loved Growing Pains. He is insufferable. He sounds like a crazy person.
I don't follow much celebrity news...what did he say/do??
WildcatfaninOhio
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He likely discovered he can put his acting skills to use as a preacher, and get paid pretty well. The gullible tend to willingly part with their cash when told what they want to hear. Kirk Cameron has a current net worth of $10 million.
If he wants to use his platform to spread the good news of Jesus Christ and speak the truth according to the Bible in a loving way, I have no problem with that.
If he does so in a condescending, hurtful way, I would definitely take exception to that.
I wouldn't worry about it. God knows his true intentions...
I've asked that myself.
It's okay if God does it apparently.
Amazing how atheists can have a higher standard for morality than the Christian god.
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Climate change can be attributed to some disasters. Show me evidence that earthquakes are more common now. Wars have been waged for the majority of humanity's existence, before and after Christ died.
There have actually been less wars recently, at least on a larger scale. Man has always been at war with man in some way.
Maybe you misunderstood...I am not saying wars and earthquakes have not existed. They have been around forever. I am saying we will continue to see these happening more rapidly as we progress into the future. And I believe earthquakes were tracked beginning in the early 1900s, so I cannot show you, specifically related to earthquakes, a timeline of how often they have occurred over the course of history.
Additionally, I posted this earlier...which is becoming more and more true every day.
Godlessness in the Last Days (from 2 Timothy)
3 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, 7 always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith. 9 But they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.
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